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Playstation 2 Linux Cluster at NCSA

Mr. Spock writes "The National Center for Supercomputing Applications is looking at scientific computing on the Sony Playstation 2. They've set up a cluster with 65 compute nodes. They're running Linux for Playstation 2. What will they think of next?"

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  1. No performance info... by StandardCell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...but a group from UIUC says:
    We have also investigated the impact of vector size on performance. The EE processor is tailor-made for 4-element vectors, so one could expect performance degradation for longer vectors. In fact, the opposite is found - a consequence of the pipelining built into the VPU. Performance improvement stops once the vectors reach length 16, consistent with the rather shallow pipelines used in the VPU. In Figure 5, we compare the performance of the PIII-600 and Playstation 2 for 32-element single-precision vector dot products. The absolute performance for smaller datasets now tops 150MFLOPS for both the EE and PIII processors. Curiously, one sees a performance hit on the EE once the dataset exceeds 5 million vectors. This is almost certainly a consequence of the small amount of memory available on the PS2.
    So, I have two question:

    1. What are the performance stats of the cluster in the /. story?

    2. Why would you bother when you could use current commodity hardware for much less? I mean, a P3-600 is interesting, but you could probably drop some Duron 1.4s with a basic mobo and 256MB RAM for less out the door than a PS2. (Note: I'm only asking, please clarify if you have a better idea of what's going on).
  2. Re:Yay... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I Highly doubt they paid a dime for any of it... I'm sure they told Sony what they wanted todo and Sony said "Hmm, 65 PS2's and you'll make a cluster out of them and we'll get good press? Sure, where would you like the pallet delivered..."

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    Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
  3. Re:Cost Effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What part of government grants makes you think this should be cost effective?

    It's free money, and NCSA will do whatever it takes to spend it.

  4. Re:Iraq by sould · · Score: 4, Insightful
    According to Zdnet:


    A source close to Government Intelligence services in the UK said: "This is complete cobblers. For a start, the suggestion that there's a shortage of standard PC hardware in Iraq is silly. PCs are commodities like cars and washing machines, and they can get as many PIII and P4 PCs as they like, sanctions or no sanctions".

    I feel I should make a WMD joke here...but I won't.

  5. Re:Well. by htmlboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like a fairly expensive way to make a cluster. $200 for each PS2 and $200 for each Linux kit? That comes out to $26,000. You could buy computers with more RAM and faster processors (than a 400MHz MIPS) for about the same amount.

    the benefit comes with problems that can be highly optimized to work on the ps2's vector processor. for pure vector operation, the graphics system in the ps2 provides better bang for the buck than chips with less specific capabilities. it doesn't do much, but what it does, it does it pretty quickly.

  6. Still a waste by nobodyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The hardware costs are negligible whether NCSA paid for the units or not. I doubt Sony paid the salaries of the people working on this -- and this is where the real money is spent. I'm all for people working on projects like this even if it's for no better reason than to see if it can be done. But when my tax dollars are involved, and we are in an economic downturn, and the nation and many states are facing huge budget deficits, my hacker ethic gives way to my pissed-off-taxpayer ethic.

    Really, there is no tangible scientific benefit to doing this, so I don't know why they bothered. The only leg they have to stand on is if they argued they were trying to see if a terrorist-friendly nation could build a supercomputer out of toys, but we know this is true already so I still don't like it. If they wan't to play around, they can do it on somebody elses dime... not mine.

    1. Re:Still a waste by tarzan353 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and you're completely off base. There is a distinct scientific benefit of doing this. The VPU is fast as hell for how cheap the hardware is.

      They aren't just "playing around"... this project initially was being directly used by the chemistry department in scientific computing. Only after word got around a little bit did more people start looking into how best to exploit the PS2's power for research.

    2. Re:Still a waste by rawgod0122 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bull Shit. Doing science (be it playing with chemicals or computers) just for the sake of doing science is what has given us MANY of our most useful tools. Penicillin and Lasers were discovered because some scientist was messing around with something and said "Wait, why is that happening?". We also get things that are just part of the journey to destination. This would include things like Velcro.

      Besides that what is so wrong about people trying to do things cheaper? More reliable? Because they are interested in them?

      If they can make this go as fast as (or close) the theory says, this would be a pretty good platform. Keep in mind that we will be seeing clustering of different types of systems for a long time to come. The more research we do the better we will be at it. In the end it will allow us to be more efficent.

  7. Re:Also worth considering: the Xbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You're fucking joking, right? A XBox??? The cpu in an XBox is pathetic.

  8. This seems like a really good idea by coupland · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After all, everyone knows that console hardware is sold for a fairly significant loss, all the profit is in the licensing of titles. One on its own isn't much to sneeze at, but a cluser of 64? You get a fairly powerful cluster and Sony subsidizes your super-computer. Smart idea...