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Promoting Musical Artists in the Post-RIAA Music World?

Mattcelt asks: "While we're all discussing the eventual demise of the RIAA and the triumph of the MP3, what should a small independent music publishing company do to sell a new artist to the public? My publishing company recently ran a $4,000 advertising campaign on a local radio station (107.9 the Link in Charlotte, NC). Despite reaching an average audience of more than 10,000 during peak times, we netted *0* sales. That's right, absolutely nothing. I've made the entire album available in MP3 format on the Ephelian Records website to facilitate adoption, and I know some people have downloaded the songs, but I can't figure out why no one has pre-ordered the CD. How does an indie artist make a living when gig prices for unknown artists will barely cover the gas money and CDs won't sell? Are we really wrong about the availability of MP3s affecting music sales?"

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  1. Ahem. by skinfitz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've made the entire album available in MP3 format on the Ephelian Records website to facilitate adoption, and I know some people have downloaded the songs, but I can't figure out why no one has pre-ordered the CD.

    Er, dude...

  2. Perhaps the talent sucks by renehollan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry to be so harsh, but as someone who has sent good money to indie artists just because I liked the MP3s I downloaded for free, if the talent is there, the dollars will follow (well, some at least).

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  3. Preorder? by Drakin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not sure, but how many people preorder anything except what they know is going to be hard to get when it first comes out, like software, consols & games, and certain books.

    Unless the band is extreamly hot and popular in the region, why would anyone bother to preorder, when they can just pick it up whenever it comes out, if they want the CD?

  4. You've found the answer! by ShmuelP · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I don't know the answer for other bands, but it seems like getting linked on Slashdot is a good approach.

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  5. Sha na na na sha na na na na... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Informative

    How does an indie artist make a living when gig prices for unknown artists will barely cover the gas money and CDs won't sell?

    Get a job.

  6. I use Ogg Vorbis you insensitive clod! by Frac · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've made the entire album available in MP3 format on the Ephelian Records website to facilitate adoption, and I know some people have downloaded the songs, but I can't figure out why no one has pre-ordered the CD.

    I suggest you encode it in pristine ogg VBR @ 320kbps. Also, include scans of the album cover and back, a nice .nfo describe the release, a .sfv that verifies the checksums, and all packaged in a nice RAR file. Now put it on Kazaa, and share it on "release" priority on eMule on the eDonkey network.

    Oh, did you ask how to make money off it? Err, nevermind...

    1. Re:I use Ogg Vorbis you insensitive clod! by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Funny
      Sorry, your release does not meet the requirements for posting on the KaZZa media network. In case you need reminding:
      • For MP3 release, the maximum bitrate is 128kbps if you're using LAME (although not with an --alt-preset); unlimited if using Xing (with a requirement of at least 4 annoying artifacts and 1 annoying flanging effect through at least 20% of the track).
      • For OGG Vorbis, you have two choices: -q-1 (that's minus 1), or any quality setting provided you transcode from an MP3 that passes the MP3 rules. Any and all OGGs must come with ID3 tags; preferably for a different album.
      • No NFO, no scans of albums. Either the ID3 tag must be empty, incorrect or missing, or the filenames must be of the form track[1-12].{mp3,ogg}.
      • SFV's and similar are out of the question unless they were created during processing; i.e. before adding ID3 tags (especially for OGG's), or created using some oddball tool that nobody uses.
      • All these rules may be waived provided the files are only served off a single 200bps modem user in Alaska, who connects for five minutes every week.
      Remember, failing to abide by these rules may result in your removal from the search database (except for those movies and crappy partial mp3's you haven't bothered deleting yet). The KaZZa Media Network thanks you for helping to reinforce the quality of service our users expect from the network.
  7. Post on slashdot... by clambake · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, one way to make sales would be to post on slashdot mentioning that you might be wavering on your belief that MP3 sharing may not be all it's cracked up to be... Ahh, I see, you're way ahead of me!

  8. Quarentine Cliff - He has Katz Disease! by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful


    "Post-RIAA world"? Quickly, quarentine Cliff - he has Jon Katz disease!
    (Actually, this being Memorial Day, I must admit I actually miss JK sometimes..)
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    I would ask this: Is your album available in stores, or only via on-line ordering? If it is only available on-line, how easy to remember is the URL?

    Consider where people listen to the radio - I would say mostly in their cars. Now, here I am, driving along, and on comes your ad. First of all, my ad filter wetware comes online - I hit the button to skip to a new station, or I blank out what is going on.

    OK, so let's say your ad plays a snippet of the music in question, and I listen to it and say "Huh, that's kinda cool. Who is this?" Then your ad says "That was a sample of Scab - Now the Puss Flows Freely, available for download and purchase at www.fbq39x34.com/~tqxir/49912/pxj36.asp". Now, even if you said that slowly enough I could copy it, I'm not going to whip out a pen and paper and copy that while weaving through downtown traffic.

    That's part of why the RIAA is still pertainent in this world. If all I can remember is the group name (and maybe not even that all that well) and if the group is in Worst Buy, I can find it. But if I have to find them online, and if all I have is some common words that don't lend themselves to Googling....

    Last but not least: how does your website handle orders? Do you hid things behind layers of Flash and Javascript? Do you work only with Exploiter? Do you not accept credit cards?

    Ask yourself this: if I wanted to buy that album, how many impediments are in my way?

  9. Try it the old-fashioned way... by baka_boy · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...and take some of those gigs that barely cover gas and food, just to get your music out there for people to listen to. Most of the indie "success stories" (Big Head Todd & the Monsters, Ani DiFranco, etc.) based their reputations on their live performances, with album sales being just another means of helping to support that primary occupation.

    You can't just throw your music at people who've never heard or seen the band before, and expect them to gladly fork over $10-20 on the chance that it could be good. Until you have some "known" artists, (i.e., they can attract a crowd on the basis of their name and rep for their shows) the label itself isn't going to be a good promotional vehicle. Once one or two of your artists have started to attract some attention, though, the label's name can be an attractor for new talent, and for listeners looking for more of that kind of music.

    It can be done -- my father has been making a living as an independent musician for a number of years, and after establishing a sizeable local following for his live shows, has managed to self-publish and sell out several 1000-unit batches of his recent CDs. However, it took at least 3-4 years of low-paid live shows, interviews and solo accoustic sets on local radio stations, etc., before he was able to do so.

  10. Because it's hard to make music? by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's *hard* to make music good enough to sell. The album you're trying to sell (and I'm thinking that you are the artist, as this "label" has only one artist) is extremely well produced. That's about all it has going for it, and low production values have never held back good music.

    At the same time, you've got overworked, long intros (leave that for the live album 20 years down the road), several insturmentals (which almost never do well - how many of James Taylors insturmentals can you recall?), and a singer that sounds like he's been training in high school chorus for the solo for the spring musical. Yes, I can say that, as I've had albums that flopped, and I sound nasal and grating.

    Plus, having listened to the first half of all the songs, none of them really caught my attention and stood out. Sorry - it's *hard* to push albums. Live gigs? Sure - even I can fill a local venue. Selling albums across the country? You're competing with thousands of other bands, mostly comprised of veteran performers who are band-mate swapping every year or so, hoping to mesh with somebody for that next great hit. Plus loads of semi-successful or career artists like Throwing Muses and Men Without Hats, both of whom just released new albums and are trying to push their own stuff in the exact same way you are - with pre-built in name recognition.

    To sum it up - making music is easy. Making good music is hard. Selling your music is the hardest thing of all and involves some amount of luck. There are bands that gave up, only to have their album suddenly take off two years after they gave all the copies away at live performances.

    Incidently, I *assume* you're performing, pushing your stuff with at least two gigs a week. If you're not, you're not doing the work. Regardless if you make it this time around, constant gigging vastly improves your ability to perform, and if that's what you want to do in life, you have to work at it.

    Incidently, while I ripped apart the *album*, you've got some decent songs. I'd sit and have dinner with you performing somewhere. And that's where 98% of all artists will spend almost all their careers. That's the music biz.

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  11. Here's a smack from the ol' clue-by-four by KILNA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firstly, take any advice from me with a grain of salt, I'm not a successful indie artist... I'm just an indie artist. Firstly, you've done something good. You're on slashdot. You have managed to get free marketing in a venue where people "get" the idea of sampling a product before purchasing it, and many see the value in paying for a product they already have for free. This is a good thing.

    However, for a pre-order scenario to work you really need to add value to pre-ordering it. You can do this by giving it away before selling, but the only ones who will bite are the ones who only want to listen to your music on a manufactured CD delivered at some point in the future, or wish to contribute based solely on the music they already have for free. So far, from your account of the situation, this number is zero. Now, if you relase a few of the tracks and make it so the rest aren't made available until a certain number of pre-sales are placed, then you're getting somewhere. Put some documentation on the web as far as how close you are to your goals. If you make it less expensive to purchase the CD on a pre-order, that helps too. I have 2 CD singles with mixes completed, the current plan is to release one outright and not release the second until sales of the first and pre-sales from the second will cover my costs.

    Another plan for my music is to see if there's any chance in hell I can get it covered on slashdot. Perhaps your $4000 wasn't wasted, it just got funneled into sales in a way contrary to your expectations.

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  12. A couple of reasons... by AlphaOne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean no offense by any of this... hopefully you'll take it constructively.

    First, I listened to the ad on the website... I'd assume it was produced by the station itself and frankly, it's horrible. It generates no excitement and it isn't catchy enough to stick out of the crowd of other ads. In short, few people even heard the ad. I did radio work for many years and I think you were screwed by the station production people. That ad could have been formatted in a dozen other ways and had more impact.

    Second, you're advertising on the wrong station. "The Link" looks like a hot AC station and your music just doesn't fit into that demographic. Have you tried a college station? Send them a gratis CD and see if they play it.

    Find a station that plays something similar... I'd call it easy listening or maybe even jazz if I had to put it in a genre, but maybe you know better where you want to head with it. Once you've found your station, toss out some teaser ads and see what gets caught in the net.

    Good luck!

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