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Flight Testing Of Burt Rutan's X Prize Entry

evenprime writes "The X Prize website is reporting that Burt Rutan's company Scaled Composites did some flight testing on their SpaceShipOne/White Knight launch platform on May 19, 2003. Next up: drop tests. There's also a nice write-up at the BBC website."

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  1. Re:The Y Question by xutopia · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.xprize.org/

  2. Rutan can do it if anybody can by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    Rutan has a very good track record in aircraft design, and can probably bring this off. He's designed many strangely-shaped aircraft, and they all fly well.

    Of course, there's the problem that maybe he can, but nobody else can. This happens. Paul MacReady made human-powered flight work two decades ago. Nobody has done it since. Gregg Williams designed almost all the really small jet aircraft engines - he did his first one in the 1950s, and he designed the engines for cruise missiles, and he's still designing them. One person, Ed Kleinschmidt, designed all the mechanical teletype machines from the 1930s to the last one in the 1970s.

  3. Re:Who gets prize if they die on landing? by physicsnerd · · Score: 3, Informative
    No, if they are killed they do not win the prize. You have to sucessfully fly to an average height of 100km twice, and the craft must land intact. The prize is only for a pair of round trips. Not a one way.

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  4. Yes! Rubber! by Gharlane+of+Eddore · · Score: 5, Informative

    From an article on KMSB-TV This history of space missions has been written with solid- or liquid-fuel rockets. Solid-fuel rockets are simple, reliable and inexpensive, but thrust at only one speed, can't be shut down, and produce toxic exhaust. Liquid-fuel rockets can be throttled to control thrust and turned off and on, but are highly complex and less reliable. Hybrid technology combines the advantages of both types of fuel, but can be made more cheaply and with more environmentally benign materials, said Brad Linenberger, a senior in aerospace and mechanical engineering. "The components themselves are safer, because the solid fuel is basically tire rubber and the liquid fuel is nitrous oxide, which is just laughing gas" liquefied under pressure, Linenberger said. "The stuff they put in solid rockets to keep them burning, you don't want to be inhaling that stuff."

  5. Re:Armadillo's page recently updated too! by zaneIO · · Score: 3, Informative

    here is a link to info about it and a link to a video of the tests.

  6. Re:Nitrous Oxide and Rubber? by seth_k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Almost anything will burn if you supply oxygen at a high enough of a concentration/pressure. I remember a college lab were we made a test rocket engine out of a cylinder of acrylic with a hole bored down the center and hooked up to an oxygen tank. I know its sounds odd, but it does work. This seems of be using the same principles with a different fuel/oxidizer.

  7. Re:Nitrous Oxide and Rubber? by nietsch · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not quite true: these fuels are used in a hybrid fuel enigine. The benefits are an enigne that isn't very explosive, has easy storage and can be throttled back. Liquid fuel or solid fuel engines don't have both of these properties.
    Rubber is used because of it's high carbon content, nitrous oxide is used because it stores easier than liquid oxide.

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  8. More photos at Pournelle's web site by chroma · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jerry Pournelle posted some more photos on his web site a couple days ago: http://jerrypournelle.com/view/view258.html#SS1

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  9. Even if this fails... by tycheung · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rutan still has some nifty defense dept. contracts. Scaled Composites created the airframe for the Boeing X-45 UCAV, and I'd bet they probably have a hand in a lot of the other UCAV's too. They have more experience than anyone else when it comes to lightweight, composite material aircraft construction.

  10. Re:Nitrous Oxide and Rubber? by Gorobei · · Score: 3, Informative

    um, what do you think solid rocket fuel (i.e. the stuff used in the space shuttle's booster) is? It's basically rubber with an oxider and some metal powders.

    The stuff that reacts with the oxygen in most of these rocket engines is a hydrocarbon: rubber, plastics, asphalt, kerosene, etc.

  11. Re:Seven minutes in heaven by Gorgonzola · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hm, you got your insightful points out of moderator ignorance I suppose. Ever heard of this little launch system called Pegasus? There is actually a commercially viable business around that one. It uses a solid fuel rocket that is launched from a refurbished Lockheed Tristar. Look here.

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  12. Re:Seven minutes in heaven by Moofie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not to pick nits, but I'm not sure why you think that planes haven't been used as successful launch platforms.

    Most of the X-Planes were air-launched, mostly from B-36 and B-52 bombers. Orbital Sciences' Pegasus rocket is launched from an L-1011 (commercial jet liner).

    The Backfire was a bomber, designed to launch cruise missiles. At one point, I believe that the Backfire was hypothesized to fire the cruise missiles backwards out of the bomb bay. I don't know if this was ever proven operationally, but I have a hard time understanding how it would have been advantageous to do so.

    Some variants of SU-27 can fire short range air to air missiles backwards, but that's a different kettle of fish.

    Anyhow. : )

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  13. Xprize Fatalaties are not subject to Darwins by LordZardoz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or, at least they should not be.

    Darwin's are for people who take questionable actions which the person in question should be able to anticipate the result. Like checking the gas tank at night and lighting a match to see better. Darwins should also extend to people who disregard warnings of danger.

    The X-Prize people are knowingly taking a big risk, and are aware of the dangers, and have tried to minimize them. The fatalaties are not going to result from monstously absurd ignorance or stupidity. The errors will be a magnitude or two lower.

    If X Prize contenstants are viable Darwin Awards, then so should test pilots, infantry soldiers, and car accident fatalaties.

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  14. It's called Hydroxyl Terminated PolyButadiene by physicsnerd · · Score: 2, Informative
    No, it is not a typo. The solid portion of the fuel is called Hydroxyl Terminated PolyButadiene (HTPB), and it is a rubber. It's roughly the consitancy of those rubber bouncy balls when it hardens. It's a very common rocket fuel, and as I recall it's what they use in the shuttle bosters (need to check that to be sure). It's been around for as long as I've been building rockets.

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  15. Re:check the website by physicsnerd · · Score: 2, Informative
    Actually, you can throttle them. The oxidizer is in a gasous/liquid form and by changing how much is pumped into the chamber, you change the thrust. Of course you can just have the valve all the way open or all the way closed, that keeps the cost of development down. In that case the system produces a set level of thrust, which works fine for most applications.

    It is possible to stop all thrust with the solid fuel(HTPB in this case) still in the chamber. All you have to do is shut off the oxidizer. The rubber can't burn, even if it's at temperature without the oxidizer. Infact, hybrids can also be restarted.

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  16. Re:Seven minutes in heaven by Thagg · · Score: 2, Informative

    And who builds the wing and tail surfaces for the Pegasus? You guessed it -- Burt Rutan.

    thad

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  17. It was supposed to have a powered landing... by malakai · · Score: 2, Informative

    but because of X-Prize pressure, they are scraping that plan for now. John Carmack said in one of his diaries, that if someone else got the X-Prize before AA, then they'd go back to a powered landing (true VTVL SSTO).

    -Malakai

  18. Re:not according to the website... by physicsnerd · · Score: 2, Informative
    This particular enigine isn't, but hybrid rockets in general can be. One of the key componets on the thrust of any rocket is the fuel to oxidizer ratio. By changing this ratio, you can vary the thrust. One of the advantages of hybrids is that the oxidizer is in a liquid/gasous from. You don't get the same level of control that you do with a liquid fuel / liquid oxidizer, but you still are able to change the thrust level. If you're interested in learning more about this I suggest a couple of books.

    The first is "Space Propulsion Analysis and Design" by Humble, Henry, and Larson. Chapter 7 is all about hybrids and their characteristics.

    The second is "Rocket Propulsion Elements" by Sutton, and Biblarz. Chapter 15 is on hybrids.

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  19. Re-usable ballon launch platform by evenprime · · Score: 2, Informative
    with a high-altitude balloon as a "first stage" would rock....And be cheaper.
    How? Helium costs y'know. And that balloon & helium wouldn't be recoverable.

    Just in the interest of accuracy, it is worth noting that at least one X-prize team thinks that balloon launch platforms will be reusable:
    IL Aerospace Technologies
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