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Kazaa Says On Track to Be Most-Downloaded Program

Cody Watkins writes "Reuters has a story about Kazaa surpassing ICQ as the most downloaded piece of software (according to C|Net Download.com). 'As of late Thursday, the Kazaa Media Desktop application -- a file-sharing software that has drawn the wrath of the music industry by enabling its users to swap songs for free -- had been downloaded 229,150,955 times, as measured by Download.com.'"

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  1. Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by ciryon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, this is really bad news. I'm pretty sure that the extremely easy access to software for windows is one of the main reasons why so many use the crap instead of free/open source software.

    And there could be serious copy protections, but I get the feeling that many software companies WANT their software to be pirated (by home users) so the same people want to use say MS Office or Photoshop at their workplace.

    I call for better international laws against piracy, but I admit I've no idea how/if it would work.

    Ciryon

    1. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by sdriver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I call for better international laws against piracy, but I admit I've no idea how/if it would work."

      KaZaA is just a tool. Sure it's used by many (I'd say most) for downloading copyrighted works. But that doesn't mean we need to make new international laws to ban it. What's next? FTP? HTTP? If copyright holders (mostly the music industry and soon the movie) really want to stop this "theft", they need to take major steps in the right direction to fix the broken relationship they have with consumers.

      The music industry can start by not charging $24 for a crap-ass CD with one good song. If CD's were $5 a pop, I'd buy hundreds, not 1 to 5 a year. At least when I only spent $5 on a CD I wouldn't feel like a sucker when there is only one good song.

    2. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by Noah_in_S.Korea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whether or not Kazaa is bad or not is irrelevent. The mad hordes have tasted P2P and apparently they savour the experience. Yes, it probably not good for the open software movement. However, it will change the business model of the entertainment industry eventually as people will refuse to pay 17 bucks for a cd with one or two good songs on it. P2P is a multi-headed hydra that is evolving along with the tactics of the evil RIAA and the BSA (boy scouts of america?) and the like. This has to be the most intelligent sounding board i have ever encountered, so my belief is that some uber geeks can create a P2P client that caters to distributing the latest open source then the movement might take off at a greater rate than today. P.S. First post!!!!! End corporate domination! choose Linux! Disclaimer- my sucky other PC runs 'ahem' backup XP!

    3. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by cscx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And there could be serious copy protections, but I get the feeling that many software companies WANT their software to be pirated (by home users) so the same people want to use say MS Office or Photoshop at their workplace.

      Exactly. Why do you think Microsoft lets me and every other student at my university purchase just about every title of their software for $5? It's all psychological, my friend.

    4. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Whats wrong with the Win32 ncftp client?

      Can't print to PS and then use ps2pdf from Ghostscript for Win32?

      It seems that a lot of people simply assume that if they're on Windows, then no OSS software is available to them. Then they jump through hoops to use the Linux version, when in fact they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they'd spent all of 60 seconds with Google.

      Go figure.

    5. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by El+Cubano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, this is really bad news. I'm pretty sure that the extremely easy access to software for windows is one of the main reasons why so many use the crap instead of free/open source software.

      A couple of months ago I started asking my friends at school (all comp sci, or comp or elec eng), "Why don't you use free software instead of that windows crap?" The most common response was somenthing along the lines of, "Sure it's free, I didn't pay a dime for it." (Most of my friends have pirated copies of Win 2000/XP Pro, MS Office Pro, VS.NET

      My response to them is usually to tell them how much it pisses me off that their activities make life harder on everyone trying to use legitimately free software (think surcharges on blank media and DRM schemes designed to "protect" is).

      I think that the problem is that people do not see pirating software as a problem. It is sort of like speeding: so many people do it is a very small chance any one person gets caught, and if you do get caught the consequences are not that bad. I don't personally agree with the licenseing terms of windows and many of its associated popular tools, so I switched to something with more favorabe terms (and that happens to be more functional and reliable). Unfortunately most people solve the MS licensing delimma by hitting KaZaA.

    6. Re:Napster baaad, Kazaa wooorse by peter_gzowski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am soooooooo tired of this argument. It comes up every time, and always gets modded +5 insightful. Let's be honest, all right? We like KaZaA (Lite) because it lets us download music, movies, pr0n, and software without paying for it. Yes, it's a tool, and I'm sure that there are people using it to download Phish and Pat Matheny concert bootlegs (which I'm told is legal). However, it's EXPRESS PURPOSE is a spyware delivery device. Sharman knows EXACTLY what people want to use it for, and they design it to facilitate us grabbing content that we have no legal right to, so that we download it 200 million times, so that they can charge oodles of money to companies who want access to that large user base.

      FTP and HTTP are not next, just as I don't see anybody outlawing P2P protocols. Maybe I'm wrong here. Does anybody know about an attack on the gnutella protocol? Not Bearshare or whomever, but the protocol?

      CD's are not $24!!!! Where the hell are you buying CD's? I walk into most record stores in Toronto and 99% of the time pay no more than $18 Canadian! Popular music is often found for $14. I know that it's similar pricing for CD's in American dollars, and that this is still too much, but dude, let's be realistic. And what CD's are you buying where there's only one good song? I think you need to reevaluate your tastes. There are plenty of good venues for low CD prices. Various online merchants, and emusic have been mentioned in this thread.

      I don't think content providers have really broken the relationship with customers. At least they are not solely responsible for it. Customers have told them, "given sufficiently convenient tools, we will avoid paying for content that you produce", and content providers have reacted poorly, enacting overly-restrictive laws like the DMCA. I don't know what the ideal reaction would have been, I just know that it's not that. If we want them to start repairing the relationship with us, we have to start owning up to what it is that we're really doing.

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  2. Value-added by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Because of it's extreme popularity, I am surprised they have not attempted to provide more "value-added" services with the program. They have the attention of a lot of people when their program runs. This is a huge potential audience for further offerings and helps distance them to the whole "it is just for pirate music!" crap.

    Cheap reseller hosting and individual accounts.

  3. second most downloaded will be.. by Catcher80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well damn! If Kazaa is the most downloaded, then AdAware will have to be the second most downloaded to get rid of all the spyware from Kazaa!!!

    Amazing, the most downloaded piece of software in history has spyware written all over it :)

    Or did c|net mean Kazaa LITE?

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  4. Legal use? by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder how many of the people who downloaded Kazaa a using it for legal purposes. Peer 2 Peer is a great idea, to bad so many misuse it.

    I think the number of Kazaa download just tells us that there are more criminals than we think.

  5. Kazaa is less and less useful for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's good to get music, app software, and short videos, like episodes of TV shows. But it seems that for movies and games, everything is incorrectly labeled there. I'm not sure if it's a deliberate effort by the industry (but if it is, why would they still give you copyrighted stuff, albeit under a incorrect name) or stunts by pre=pubescent low-lifes who raise their participation level falsely through this deceit.

  6. Re:Most downloaded by lazy folk by NDeans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly!! Yet I get modded down when I say it. Also what that article doesn't say is that counts all the revisions, and doesn't give a TRUE number of unique downloads. There have been so many revisions, and forced upgrades to the KaZaa system that their unique users is FAR less. Plus you also have to factor in repeat downloads (poor schmucks who downloaded bad stuff off of KaZaa and had to reformat/reinstall because of it) I found IRC well before P2P was in its beginning stages, and found it very easy to use. When KaZaa came out, I tried it, and didn't like it (adware, spyware, malware). I also tried Kazaa Lite, and didn't like that much either. I could get exactly what I wanted without having to d/l it twice, even three times to get the quality and even the correct thing sometimes. I guess I must have offended some KaZaa users out there. Oh well, the program is still worthless in my eyes.

  7. Re:Kazaa Lite? by C.Maggard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I doubt they would acknowledge the lite version; since it's hacked to remove spyware and ads, they get no revenue from it, so why let people know about it?

  8. Re:What? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kazaa is distributed free. It is not being pirated. So why are you talking about software being pirated and companies wanting it to be pirated?

    He's talking about people using Kazaa to download pirated software such as Photoshop. If people couldn't download Photoshop with Kazaa, they might use The Gimp instead, which would be bad for Adobe, because some of those people who pirate Photoshop at home wind up buying it at work. If they used The Gimp for free at home, maybe they'd use The Gimp at work too.

    (Yes, I know, The Gimp isn't as good as Photoshop and is completely unacceptable to some, but it may be good enough for most people.)

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  9. well... by mraymer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's nice and all, but isn't the number of connected users far more important than the number of downloads? I mean, the more users, the more files... and the more files, the more useful kazaa is to its users.

    The last time I checked, there were about 3 million users connected.

    Why is this number so much lower? Obviously people in different time zones probably sign on at different times, but even considering that, the number seems low when compared to what download.com is reporting.

    Is this a sign that perhaps a lot of people have trouble getting kazaa to work (firewalls, schools/ISPs blocking it, etc)?

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  10. No big migration to E*/Shareaza yet? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was hoping by now, or at least the near future there would be a larger migration to software with open protocols like Emule or Shareaza using gnutella and whatever the edonkey protocol is called.

    I've found Shareaza to be almost as good as kazaa in regards to variety, but slower on the download end because of either the lack of a decent userbase or the protocols still need tweaking.

    I think we might be seeing, or already have seen, a big rift in content. RIAA/Mainstream stuff fills the Kazaa networks while less mainstream stuff is begining to appear on open protocol networks as people with a clue are migrating away from the spyware infested world of commercial P2P.

    Got a popular file? Put up a magnet/gnutella/ed2k link somewhere and tell people to download a non-commercial client if they want access to the "good stuff." Sure, there's no accounting for taste, but a little effort could undermine and help produce a mass divestment from Kazaa and the Sherman networks.

  11. The problem with gimp (was Re:What?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is not really the gui, which is quite ok once you explain what the thought behind is. The problem is more the missing cymk support which makes it totally unacceptable for professional graphic artists and professional graphics design. At least over here in europe, if you give a picture to a printing company either it is cymk or it is rejected, and for a reason!

    The missing cymk is the real problem behind a wide adoption of gimp, the rest is seconary. I'm pretty sure once that one is in the adoption of the program would be much wider than it is today.

  12. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Free doesn't necessarily equal good, either. What's cheaper, hiring a graphic artist who knows Photoshop well and training him to use Gimp so you don't have to buy one Adobe release every once in a while, or buying Photoshop and letting him get on with his work? Photoshop is a fine program that can take you from start to finish, anytime. If you need complex curves, you can call in Illustrator. If you want to do document work, Framemaker fits in with both beautifully. They're all solidly written, have all the important bits, and they make sense to everyone. That's what's cheap, guy, not your "free" software.

    As for other details, like how fast you were able to generate the kind of plasma you wanted, doesn't your first sentence say Photoshop has too much stuff most people will never use? This sounds like a very biased view of what should be in an image app. "Well, it shouldn't have all that stuff, but it ought to be able to do the task I wanted to do today without a plug-in."

  13. Why oh Why people. by boogy+nightmare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why are they downloading kazaa for, this is the worst peice of software ever, the amount of spyware, pop up software and underlying P2P stuff that you cant control is terrible..

    Be a geek and get control and use kazaa lite instead, its smaller, also free and if memory serves you can get that from download.com as well.

    This is what i use and i much prefer it.

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  14. Re:Most downloaded by lazy folk by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Man, 229 million times! That's a lot of BDE spyware installs. Somebody please tell me again why with such a huge exploited base that these spyware tools are not detected by Norton Antivirus, McAfee, and others? Why must we resort to third party specialty programs like Spybot Search and Destroy and Adaware to clean our computers of these trojans?

    If Microsoft added spyware that was impossible to uninstall (via normal methods) to Windows Media Player or IE people would have a shit-fit. If Kazaa does it they dismiss it and say to go download Kazaa Lite. Why support a company or piece of software that supports spyware? What's next? In order to run this shareware program you need to let us install Nimda on your system. The program will not run on a non-Nimda infected system?

    First we train a decade of Windows lusers to click next-next-next-next-ok-finish without paying attention because of 500 page end-user license agreements and then some company comes along and slips a couple of sentences into there and suddenly they feel justified to install a trojan on your system that hides itself and makes itself difficult to uninstall. The average user cannot do it by themselves. That's just outright wrong. If I come across another system with 40 different spybots running I'm going to scream.

  15. Inertia and Least Common Denominators by Mal+Reynolds · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first reason Kazaa destroys all the other file-sharing methods is that it has all the users. The number one rule of P2P: More users equal more files. Sounds simple but a lot of people miss the obviousness of it.
    Most Open-P2P services lose this battle immediately by not interoperating with each other. And every new Open-P2P implementation just further fragments the available user and file base into ever smaller fiefdoms. Not to mention the Open-P2P user base is not the average user, but the super user.
    The other place the Open-P2P implementations really miss the boat is in the default user setup. The default settings of Kazaa share all of the files a user downloads with other Kazaa users. It also defaults the user to allow unrestricted downloads at unlimited speed from his machine. Sure, these settings can be changed, but that's not the point. Kazaa caters to the least common denominator computer user, truth is, that's most users.
    But most Open-P2P implementations shoot themselves in the foot from the instant they are downloaded. They default the user to "not" share all downloaded files, then let them choose the transfer speeds. They also add in tons of "features" and settings that mystify the average user. Average users don't know from nodes and really don't want to know. They want to get files and not have to mess with settings. Kazaa works out of the box, while most Open-P2P implementations take a lot of wrangling just to get working. But the real key is that most users never change their default settings. So most Kazaa users share everything they download, thus there are always more files-per-user on Kazaa's system than any of the Open-P2P systems.
    Then there's IRC and the Newsgroups. IRC has been DDOS'd into irrelevance and even when it wasn't, sitting in file que's for days on end was not my idea of fun. Newsgroups are still with us, for now. But many ISP's offer very spotty service and as binary use grows, I suspect even our dear old newsgroups may come under heavy fire from the MPAA/RIAA.
    Bottom line, having tried all the various flavors and methods of file accumulation, Kazaa kicks everything else's ass. Using Kazaa-lite and a handful of Kazaa specific search and download enhancement utilities, there's almost nothing I can't find on the service. The Open-P2P providers aren't even close.
    The only way any Open-P2P will get close to Kazaa is by emulating it, then bettering it. If I were building an Open-P2P system to try and beat Kazaa, first I'd copy it, the back-end, the front-end, the "lack" of settings, everything. Then I'd concentrate on features designed to get around all forms of ISP restrictions and MPAA/RIAA manipulations. I'd implement things like port swapping, encryption, IP spoofing, tunneling, reputation systems, cloaking shared data to elude packet shapers and anything else I could think of. I'd make it all automatically activate when necessary and have all the college users overnight. All those college users with all that bandwidth would give the system the inertia it would need to succeed. Once you have inertia, you have the files, and when have the files, the users will come. And when the MPAA/RIAA really start moving against the ISP's and Kazaa, a system like this could take Kazaa's crown.