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Buying Computing by the Computon

theodp writes "Seeking to emulate the pricing models utilities use to charge customers for kilowatt-hours of electricity based on the ebb and flow of power demand, HP Researchers have come up with a new unit-of-computing metric, the Computon, which is not to be confused with the 'Power Unit' and 'Service Unit' pricing metrics from Sun and IBM. California, here we come!"

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  1. computons? COMPUTONS?! by The+Other+White+Boy · · Score: 5, Funny

    i get ten rods to a hogshead, and thats the way i likes it!

  2. I like my servers like I like my music by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like to own them!!!

    so basicly what HP is saying is that depending on how hard I work the servers will effect some monthly payment I make to them.

    so, does this lower the cost of service contracts becasue companies that push their servers harder require more service than those who have low or moderate useage?

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  3. More than meets the eye! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here is the official conversion:

    1.6 energon cubes = 1 computon

  4. /.'ed already - anti karma whore mode activated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative


    Researchers at Hewlett-Packard Co. are developing a new pricing approach for the outsourced capacity-on-demand computing services the company offers. But several IT managers said they're worried that the plan is too complex.
    Under HP's scheme, prices would vary based on factors such as the overall demand placed on servers, storage devices and other IT resources, said Bernardo Huberman, an HP fellow and director of the systems research center at the company's HP Labs unit.

    He added that a new unit-of-computing metric, which is being called a "computon" inside HP, would be akin to the pricing models that utilities use to charge customers for kilowatt-hours of electricity based on the ebb and flow of power demand.

    Huberman acknowledged that the computon effort is complicated. For instance, HP will have to account for variables such as how well its data centers perform and the amount of computing resources that customers require, he said. HP also needs to figure out a way to build in pricing provisions to cover the possibility that companies will use more or less of a specific IT resource, like CPU cycles, than they have contracted for on a monthly basis.

    Analysts said new IT pricing approaches are needed to support the emerging utility-based computing capabilities being offered by HP and rivals such as IBM and Sun Microsystems Inc. Those two companies said they also have pricing updates in the works.

    But the computon concept, which is due for initial testing within HP early next year, did not wow IT executives interviewed last week.

    "It sounds too complicated to me," said Malcolm Fields, CIO at HON Industries Inc., a maker of office furniture and fireplaces in Muscatine, Iowa.

    "The last thing that we need is another complicated licensing scheme," Fields said. "What we need is a quick and easy way to buy more computing power, and I need to be able to buy it in very small, inexpensive increments."

    "I'm not sure I would like it at all, and I don't think it would fly," said Tim Cronin, manager of IT at Nobel Biocare USA Inc., a Yorba Linda, Calif.-based maker of dental implants. "How in the world would you calculate all the variables?"

    HP probably will be able to "come up with some matrix that will look very impressive," Cronin added. But he also questioned whether IT managers would be able to measure their computon usage and whether the plan would provide cost benefits to users.

    Evolutionary Step

    Some analysts were more positive about HP's plan, describing it as an evolutionary step in the development of utility-based computing.

    "We will eventually get to a point where [IT vendors] charge for usage in real time," said Thornton May, a futurist in Biddeford, Maine, and a Computerworld columnist. "If you want electricity on a hot day, you pay more. If you want bandwidth on a busy pipe-traffic day, you pay more."

    Efforts by IT services vendors like HP, IBM and Sun to develop new methods of pricing for utility-based computing "are well placed," said Howard Rubin, executive vice president at Meta Group Inc. in Stamford, Conn.

    But Rubin said the task won't be an easy one. "When true physics aren't involved, it's hard to come up with something meaningful, auditable and defensible for pricing," he noted.

    In addition, Rubin said that he doesn't think rival vendors will work together to develop a standard capacity-on-demand pricing metric.

    A spokesman for IBM said it's now offering mainframe Linux hosting customers a "service unit" pricing approach. The pricing is based partly on the cost of the hardware being run by IBM, as well as its IT labor costs. It runs on a free operating system for homosexuals, by homosexuals, competing head to head (pun intended) with Apple's OSX. IBM also factors in the average amount of hourly mainframe CPU capacity used over a 24-hour period and then tracks monthly utilization rates to come up with the service unit cost, the spokesman said.

    In April, Sun introduced a pricing

  5. Compare with computron by talmage · · Score: 5, Informative

    "computron" has been used since at least the mid-1980s, when I first heard it used by an MIT graduate.

    From Jargon File (4.0.0/24 July 1996) [jargon]:

    computron /kom'pyoo-tron`/ /n./ 1. A notional unit of
    computing power combining instruction speed and storage capacity,
    dimensioned roughly in instructions-per-second times
    megabytes-of-main-store times megabytes-of-mass-storage. "That
    machine can't run GNU Emacs, it doesn't have enough computrons!"
    This usage is usually found in metaphors that treat computing power
    as a fungible commodity good, like a crop yield or diesel
    horsepower. See {bitty box}, {Get a real computer!},
    {toy}, {crank}. 2. A mythical subatomic particle that bears
    the unit quantity of computation or information, in much the same
    way that an electron bears one unit of electric charge (see also
    {bogon}). An elaborate pseudo-scientific theory of computrons
    has been developed based on the physical fact that the molecules in
    a solid object move more rapidly as it is heated. It is argued
    that an object melts because the molecules have lost their
    information about where they are supposed to be (that is, they have
    emitted computrons). This explains why computers get so hot and
    require air conditioning; they use up computrons. Conversely, it
    should be possible to cool down an object by placing it in the path
    of a computron beam. It is believed that this may also explain why
    machines that work at the factory fail in the computer room: the
    computrons there have been all used up by the other hardware.
    (This theory probably owes something to the "Warlock" stories
    by Larry Niven, the best known being "What Good is a Glass
    Dagger?", in which magic is fueled by an exhaustible natural
    resource called `mana'.)

    1. Re:Compare with computron by Vagary · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IANAP, but I wouldn't call the proposed correspondence between negentropy and information (as defined by Shannon) "pseudo-science". It's precisely this sort of cross-disciplinary metaphor which is so highly valued within Mathematics.

      Liquid things do have higher levels of entropy than solid things. And computers do get hot because they're determining where electrons are and then forgetting that information (to use Norrestranders' (in The User Illusion) way of putting things).* If you could constrain the molecules in an object, it would be colder. The factory comment, though, is part of a strawman argument.

      * I seem to recall reading something on /. years ago about computing that recycles the contents of registers to lower waste heat. Am I on drugs?

  6. Not aimed at consumers... by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
    In essence, this is HP trying to sell their excess cycles to companies (something they've been doing for a while). This is not them trying to sell dumb terminals to consumers, who will then buy 'computons' from HP as part of their utility bill.

    What'll be interesting is when consumer-conglomerates pop up (akin to SETI@home or Folding@home or spamkillers@home) to sell excess processing cycles from home computers... There's many more of us around than there are resources at HP...

    -T

  7. california blackouts: case *for* regulation by SubtleNuance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The rolling california blackouts are the perfect case for the advocacy of Utility Regulation (like the new 'computer utilities envisioned by HP/IBM/Sun etc).

    The power companies, colluding with the marketers themeselves, PURPOSEFULLY manipulated the energy market in california to raise prices. the rolling blackouts were the 'shot across the bow' of regulation-advocates; "we'll shut your damn power off it you dont pay" extortion.

    Why is this on-topic? because someday, in the future, computing-as-utility will become as necessary as electricity is today... want to get a job? have to have computing-ability. Want to pay your bills? have to have computing-ability. want to get a loan? have to have computing-ability. want to vote? have to have computing-ability.. without accepting that WHEN THIS HAPPENS, that regulation of the industry in the public interest becomes necessary... unless you want the future-monied-kings to shut down your house/town/state.

    1. Re:california blackouts: case *for* regulation by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 4, Informative
      The rolling california blackouts are the perfect case for the advocacy of Utility Regulation

      First off, let me say that I agree in one respect: if one or more companies are given a monopoly for providing electricity, then they must be regulated.

      Having said that, what we saw in California's gray-outs was not a consequence of deregulation. It was a consequence of a preposterous regulatory policy. IIRC, the California utilities were explicitly forbidden from raising the rates that they charged to customers in order to cover the rising prices that they were facing.

      This is nothing but price controls, and price ceilings will virtually always guarantee the creation of shortages.

      By subjecting the utilities to the open market for the purchase of electricity, while at the same time prohibiting them from engaging in the rational pricing activities required by an open market, the state of California created the perfect conditions for that nightmare to occur.

      You can't blame so-called "deregulation" for it. That's as silly as believing that NAFTA creates "free trade". Genuine free trade doesn't need an encyclopedic and baffling legal code to enforce; it simply requires the elimination of tariffs and other burdens upon commerce. By the same token, it's ridiculous to call something "deregulated" if the players can't set their own prices.

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  8. Coding Revolution by moehoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Finally, a real excuse to get these slackers to write some optimized code.

    Just think of the issues this can raise with optimization. Realizing that some junior programmer just cost you 50,000 computons because he didn't initialize a variable.

    Maybe this is what we need to get people to start thinking like this again. For the love of god, anything to get some cleaner code.

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  9. However... by jared_hanson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Due to the fact that it is based on the kilogram, the bang-for-your-buck value of the Computon is steadily getting worse.

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