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Novell Claims Ownership of UNIX System V

Novell has put out a press release this morning unequivocally claiming that they, and not SCO, own the patents and copyrights to UNIX System V. If true, this would torpedo SCO's claims over the last few months about intellectual property infringement in the Linux kernel, GNU/Linux distributions, etc. News.com has a story from last night, prior to this press release. SCO is releasing quarterly financial results today, including their notes about how much they've made from their licensing claims. You can join their conference call (mirror) if you like, and Bruce Perens weighs in below with a strongly-worded statement about SCO and Novell. Update: 05/28 14:22 GMT by M : SCO issued a response.

Bruce Perens writes:

"We knew that SCO's attack on Linux was a lie. But we never dreamed of the big lie behind it.

"This morning, Novell announced some of the terms of the company's 1995 agreement to sell its Unix business to SCO. The shocking news is that Novell did not sell the Unix intellectual property to SCO. Instead, they sold SCO a license to develop, sell, and sub-license Unix. The title to Unix copyrights and patents remains with Novell. To back up this assertion, Novell refers to public records at the Library of Congress Copyright Office and the U.S. Patent Office.

"In their announcement, Novell refers to recent letters from SCO asking Novell to assign the Unix copyrights to SCO. So, apparently SCO's management team knew that they did not own Unix while pursuing their sham campaign against Linux.

"Along with this revelation, Novell is reiterating its support of the Linux and Open Source developer community, and its status as a partner in that community. Novell rejects SCO's accusations of plagiarism. Novell management says they do not intend to stand in the way of the development of the Linux kernel, its companion GNU system, and other Free Software.

"It would be an understatement to say that this leaves SCO in a bad position. The company has loudly and repeatedly asserted that they were the owner of the Unix intellectual property, all of the way back to AT&T's original development of the system 30 years ago. They've lied to their stockholders, their customers and partners, the 1500 companies that they threatened, the press, and the public. Their untruthful campaign caused the loss of sales and jobs, and damaged Linux companies and developers in a myriad of ways. And now, SCO will be the lawsuit target. SCO's quarterly earnings conference call is this morning, at 9 AM MST (11 AM EST, 8 AM PST). Call 800-406-5356, toll-free, to participate. You might even get to ask a question. It should be fun to watch them try to weasel out of this one.

"Microsoft executives also have egg on their faces. The company self-servingly rushed to buy an SCO license one business day after the threat letter, bringing a senior attorney to the office on a Sunday to tell the press how much Microsoft values intellectual property. Microsoft's management could have taken the time to analyze SCO's claims, if the company had wanted this license for practical and technical reasons. Their decision to buy when they did must have been motivated by a desire to add to SCO's fear campaign. Of course they'll grab any opportunity to spread fear about Linux, but this time Microsoft bought a pig in a poke.

"SCO management, if they insist on standing in the way of a train, could still claim that software they developed in the years since 1995 is being infringed by the Open Source developers. That claim, always a dubious one, will be difficult to take seriously now that their prevarication throughout this campaign has come to light. SCO would be well advised to drop their suit against IBM in exchange for IBM's agreement not to counter-sue. But IBM might not feel that charitable toward SCO.

"In contrast to SCO, Novell's made a friend among the Free Software developers. We're always happy to see people using our software. But a real partnership between an IT vendor and our community is an equal partnership, with the company donating services and new software in exchange for the value it receives. Novell has already placed important software under Open Source licenses. Today, the company has done us a tremendous service, by stomping upon an obnoxious parasite."

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  1. Finally by IpsissimusMarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For now, we demand that SCO either promptly state its Linux infringement allegations with specificity or recant the accusation made in your letter. Further, we demand that SCO retract its false and unsupported assertions of ownership in UNIX patents and copyrights or provide us with conclusive information regarding SCO's ownership claims.

    Finally, SCO being put in its place. I just wonder why this took so long for Novell to bring up.

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    1. Re:Finally by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I just wonder why this took so long for Novell to bring up.

      My feeling on that is rather simple, actually. They had to make for 100% damn sure that they were right in what they were gonna say to the public. They've probably dumped millions into lawyers over the past few weeks / months to make for SURE that SCO is / was wrong. THAT is probably what took so long.

      Or maybe it's just they're not doing all that well since M$ took over the Network arena.

      Oh... right, I forgot... M$ has been giving money to SCO...

      Hmmm...

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    2. Re:Finally by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Finally, SCO being put in its place. I just wonder why this took so long for Novell to bring up.

      Because SCO's earnings call is THIS morning.

      This isn't just a smackdown, this -- today's release, the Perens-for-the-Prosecution piece on Page One of SlashDot, along with the divulging of the Conference Call Phone Number (nice one, that!) -- is a highly-coordinated strike meant to drop a tactical nuke down their shorts. This is calculated to not just damage SCO but make their Corporate Headquarters a Dead Zone for the next Three Thousad Years.

      Nice Work, everyone! Proud to be a small part of it, even if only as a witness.

    3. Re:Finally by pbranes · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is very interesting. In SCO's response to Novell, they acknowledge that they do not own Unix, and they are only suing IBM for breach of contract:

      SCO's lawsuit against IBM does not involve patents or copyrights.

      However, in the press release about the stock holder's conference call, they state this:

      The SCO Group (NASDAQ: SCOX), the owner of the UNIX operating system...

      Sounds like SCO is doing a little backpedaling in the Yahoo article. :-)

    4. Re:Finally by earlytime · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If it turns out that SCO's claims against IBM have no validity, and that SCO insiders sold any significant amount of stock since ~April 6, 2003.... SCO will probably be in for some heavy shareholder lawsuits, and SEC action. SCO's stock price was about $1.40 on Feb 3rd, $3.00 on April 3rd, and is now hovering around $8.50.

      At this price, the company is now worth about $100 Mil. At $1.40/share, it was worth less than $20 Mil. At either price, SCO is overvalued, but a buyout would be chump change to most SV players. Sun probably would gain the most, they could move anybody left on sco to solaris86, and use sco's customer list/services biz to push new solaris and raq sales. They'd also save a little cash on thier license for UNIX(TM).

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  2. "you repeatedly asked us to transfer ownership" by crivens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's hilarious! Especially the part saying "you repeatedly asked us to transfer ownership over the past three months" (words are my own). If this is true, then it shows what SCO has been doing is extremely, extremely immoral. They knew they had no basis for suing IBM and for demanding that companies license SCO, but they did it anway to try to make some money. All I want to know is, who's idea was it - Microsoft's? ;)

  3. What did Microsoft buy ? by flyingace · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So what did MS buy from SCO ?

    And most importantly, how much did they buy it for ?

    1. Re:What did Microsoft buy ? by Seanasy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      So what did MS buy from SCO ?

      1500 threatening letters to companies using Linux. That amounts to a whole lot of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. SCO's claims don't have to be true to do the kind of damage the MicroSoft wants done to Linux. After all, didn't MS warn companies that they might get sued for using Linux? Convenient.

    2. Re:What did Microsoft buy ? by Drakon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A license to the UNIX source code, which (see above) Novell granted SCO an exclusive license to sell.
      Apparently they have some product in the pipeline which would be easier to create with the unix source... probably interoperability or that text-mode windows server we were hearing about

  4. Linux is safe, even if IBM is not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Based on SCO's response, claiming that no patent or copyright issues are involved, then Linux and Linux users are safe from any action by SCO EVEN IF SCO WINS AGAINST IBM. I certainly hope SCO doesn't win, but even if they do, since the entirety of their claims are contract based, and NOT copyright or patent based, the Linux code base can't be touched.

  5. Re:Learn your metaphors - cat out of the bag!!! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Hm. I looked around on the net for references when I wrote that in yesterday. "pig in a poke" does refer to purchasing something sight unseen. A poke is a bag. "Cat out of the bag" refers to news escaping one's control, as it is wont to do.

    Thanks

    Bruce

  6. eniac by dollargonzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This whole thing has really started to remind me of the eniac patent suit. As soon as some technology starts to take off (long after it has actually been created), some larger adversary comes out and tries to threaten the validity of the original claims.

    The exact same thing happened when Sperry (the company that bough Eckert and Mauchly's company, which made UNIVAC) was sued for rights to the ENIAC patent (that Mauchly and Eckert at the time held). No one had contested that Eckert and Mauchly had designed the first electronic computer, but instead had hooked onto details in the patent file. Ironically, IBM was in a very similar position as it is with the SCO/Linux problem. IBM has cooperated with open source to a great degree, just as it had licensed Eckert and Mauchly's products and was seen as a supported of the "dark side" by SCO, just as they were seen by those trying to strip E & M of their patents.

    History really has a funny way of repeating itself

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  7. Re:And.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Indeed it does. SCO has just issued this press release which implies they're withdrawing all of the copyright and patent violation charges (actually they claim it never had anything to do with copyrights and patent violations. Yeah right. If it never did, why were they pretending companies other than IBM may be in the firing line and why were they milking a "licence our IP" scheme out of this?)

    SCO can sue IBM for breach of contract. IBM can lose. It'll not make a blind bit of difference to anyone except IBM and SCO and anyone else who signed a contract with SCO.

    Anything generically aimed at Linux now is FUD.

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  8. Re:SCO replies by SquareOfS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In other words, Novell (assuming they do in fact retain copyright) can make this go away for Linux simply by, at whatever point SCO reveals what source was theoretically copied into Linux, slapping a copyright notice on the appropriate files and granting GPL on the code involved.

    Unless, of course, what SCO means by having the "contract rights" to Unix involves having the exclusive right to license the source (but if so, why didn't they say so?). And, how exactly would posessing the exclusive right to license be different from copyright itself?

  9. Have SCO stolen code from Linux ? by geirt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks like SCO might have stolen code from Linux, according to this post on the linux kernel mailing list

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  10. SCO profit due to UNIX licensing by mzs · · Score: 5, Interesting
    SCO just reported net income of $4.5 million on revenue of $21.4 million for the second quarter. $8.3 million of that revenue came from its UNIX licensing program, SCOsource, CNET. It appears that all of that licensing revenue came from Microsoft and the other licensee that has not been disclosed. If you disregard the income from licensing, SCO would have had another net loss on their hands. In fact they would have pulled in $2.4 million less in net income this quarter than the same quarter last year.

    Their stock price is down today, so maybe The Street finally sees that the reality of the situation is that their operating systems division is failing. It is ironic that SCO made a profit selling licences to something that Novell now claims it 'owns' but I really cannot make sense of this mess any more. So maybe I just misundersand how SCO can sell licenses to something that Novell opwns the copyrights to.

  11. Stock Performance by Dunkirk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did anyone notice this?! I wasn't paying attention.

    SCO 's Stock Performance

    I think it's high time that the SEC got involved here.

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  12. Re:SCO Statement on Novell's Recent Actions by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's just pure unadulterated @#$!!. SCO sent out threatening letters to 1500 companies many of whom don't have contracts with SCO. If this case is about breach of contract then what in the heck is SCO doing intimidating these customers.

    The fact of the matter is that SCO is simply trying to run up their share price so that SCO management can make a buck on the implosion of their company.

  13. Lying to their shareholders is an SEC Offense by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If what Novell claims is true then SCO has more than a few problems to handle. It will have to start with a global apology.

    If this is true (and it almost certainly is ... Novel, unlike SCO, may not be thriving, but they aren't facing immenent bankrupcy either), then the fact that SCO lied to their shareholders is an SEC violation. It is fraud (among other things) and the perpetrators could be looking at a prison term (hopefully in a cockroach ridden, butt-slamming Pen, rather than Club Fed).

    And, as others have pointed out, the civil damages and liability resulting from this fraudulant deception against SCO and those personally involved in the deception could well be quite staggaring. These people could well end up broke and in prison.

    This, of course, assumes the government actually chooses to enforce the law this time. As we saw with the Microsoft Anti-Trust case, that is certainly not a given.

    Regardless, however, it does vindicate GNU/Linux and free software in the extreme, and it does demonstrate the depths of depravity that Microsoft (who was quite transparently pushing this and financing it via a license they clearly weren't required to get) and its shills, such as SCO, will sink to.

    The best revenge is living well, indeed, living better than those who have wronged you. Even if SCO were to get off scott free (unlikely), clearly, anyone running FreeBSD (which could theoretically have been targeted with a similiar FUD campaign) and GNU/Linux are living quite well (in the technical arena at least), certainly much better than the poor sops running Unixware and SCO, and arguably quite a bit better than those running the product of SCO's master in Redmond. We should take joy in that fact (but not let it slow down the counter suits and prosecutions from those who were more directly wronged by SCO's illegal and unconscionable behavior).

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  14. Re:SCO replies by Quila · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From SCO's response, it appears they think that although they didn't buy the copyright, they did contract the exclusive distribution rights to the code. This appears to be like how Pixar contracted the exclusive distribution rights to its movies to Disney. Nobody can distribute all or parts of Toy Story except for Disney under the contract.

    This wouldn't make it a copyright violation, but a contract violation that could have a serious ripple effect. We can't know until Novell or SCO releases the relevant terms of the contract.

  15. Novell? You listening? by Asprin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SCO: "Oh, no, we were NEVER suing for patent infringment - it was ALWAYS a contract dispute over the LICENSING of the code." So, Novell, how'd you like to make about a kajillion new fans? License the code to IBM for a buck. SCO is irrelevant, problem solved. P.S. Didn't I hear somewhere that NW7 is going to be a services based connectivity, authentication and management layer running on Linux? Samba? LDAP? NIS? ACLs? THAT would be cool.

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  16. Re:SCO Response Contradicts their own website! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Novell did this on their own initiative. Although I talk with people there and they are an occassional consulting customer, I can't claim to have motivated them to do this.

    Bruce

  17. Re:Novell's press release by mj01nir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course this address the "source code theft" issue. If Novell has the copyright, Novell must prosecute for copyright infringement.

    After turning this over in my head a bit, I think you're right. SCO can go after IBM for breach of contract, but it would be Novell that would need to begin procedings to remove the code from Linux.

    This assumes that the code in question is part of the SysV UNIX code that SCO bought from Novell. If it is something that SCO developed after the fact, it could be a different story. But since SCO has been begging Novell for the copyright to the SysV code, I can only assume that isn't the case.

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  18. SCO Letters by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While IANAL, I hold 12 patents and have been involved in a variety of legal wrangles involving patents.

    It would be very interesting to see the letters that SCO sent out. If they weren't worded very carefully, and they include assertions of IP rights that SCO in fact doesn't own they could definitely trigger a rash of lawsuits.

    When I was working in this field we were VERY careful when we went trolling for license fees. Something like:

    Dear Sirs:

    It has come to our attention that you may want to consider licensing the following patents (list numbers here).

    Signed
    XYX Patent Attorney.

    No claims of infringement etc. Just a word to the wise. The recipient would then decide what sort of position they were in and respond with something like:

    Dear XYX:

    We are interested in #47, and would like to offer a license to our #53 in exchange.

    (In other words, yeah, we might be doing #47, but we think you are doing #53)

    -or-

    We are not interested. (Prove it).

    -or-

    We invented that long before you patented it and here is a copy of our documentation of the fact.

    And so on.

  19. This could get a WHOLE LOT NASTIER by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Suppose Microsoft did have a hand in this?

    Now, SCO is about to get their asses sued off by some very angry competitors, and what if they decide to squeal that the whole thing was Microsoft's idea in the first place?

    Oh brother, this could get NASTY.

    Even if Microsoft was just suckered in by the potential to do damage to Linux, SCO can make it very embarassing to Microsoft. This could be a lot more fun to watch than previous lawsuits.

  20. Re:Conference Call - Don't do it by LarsG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't actually say they own the code (in this excerpt), but rather, that they have licensed it to IBM. As I'm sure you know, there are often agreements made that allow corporations to sublicense works; although Novell owns the code itself, if they granted SCO the right to license it (as they apparently have), and SCO licensed it to IBM (as they apparently have), IBM is still responsible for using it legally.

    Good point. But this would also make it a pure license/contract issue between SCO and IBM - SCO does evidently not hold copyright or patent rights to the code, so they can't go after SuSE or any other GNU/Linux distributor, vendor or user.

    If IBM broke the license, SCO can get damages. But unless I'm missing something it seems like they can not go after any other party for using or distributing said code. That makes the threat letter a bit puzzling, to say the least.

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  21. Re:On the phone with SCO now.. by dr.newton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seemed at first that he was being pretty careful with his wording, with stuff like: "SCO owns the contract rights to the UNIX platform." But then...: "As the owners of the UNIX operating system..." They just said in their press release this morning that they never said they owned it, just the "contract rights" to it. It seems to me that this guy doesn't really understand the situation, that he was told by his lawyers "You can make money here" and he just believed them. He doesn't understand the difference between "derived from UNIX" and "works like UNIX". He even implicated that Sun might be a licensee of their source code, which, IIUC is false, Sun bought out their UNIX license before SCO got hold of even the limited rights to it they have.

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  22. SCO's Response sounds Juvenile by brandido · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The text of SCO's response sounds like a junior high student wrote it:
    Copyrights and patents are protection against strangers. Contracts are what you use against parties you have relationships with. From a legal standpoint, contracts end up being far stronger than anything you could do with copyrights.
    Normally, press releases try to sound businesslike and professional - the use of "you" in this announcement makes it sound like an entreaty to the reader to "please take our side, please believe us!" For me, it ended up making the press release sound rushed, unprofessional, and like they are starting to loose their cool.
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  23. Re:Just in .. new SCO claim by bwt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Novell is talking Patent and Copyright rights, SCO is talking "contract" rights.

    SCO's reply states: "Copyrights and patents are protection against strangers. Contracts are what you use against parties you have relationships with."

    This gives them no possible cause of action against anyone in the Linux community other than organizations that willingly entered into a contract with SCO. Moreover, it means that their entire case here can only be against IBM, for trade secret infringement of code that SCO itself published, which is not going to work. Yet SCO, by trying to claim trade secret protection on elements of the version of linux that they were shipping still violates the GPL clause 6 "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein."

    Would some kernel contributor wake up and sue SCO for copyright infringement, please.