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President Of India Advocates OSS
cOdEgUru writes "I am sure this is a first. The President of India has urged Indian IT Professionals to develop and specialise in OSS rather than Windows. To be noted is that he made the speech (look for the "Think Different" section) at the famous Indian Institute of Information Technology (India's foremost academic institution equivalent to MIT). Also he reminisces that his meeting with Mr.Gates were difficult due to differing views concerning OSS and Security. What should be noted about him is that he is not a politician, but a scientist and an independent thinker foremost."
I wonder how these changes in the political climate of software will affect Microsoft's Indian software development division?
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This is really great statement to be made, but I wonder how well taken by the students it will be. A lot of the students who attend IIT attend so that they can be marketable in a big business like Microsoft. Working on OSS while a great thing is not going to bring them the same potential monitary gains as working for a big name software company. It would be great for a country the population of India to listen and follow their leaders urging, but I seriously doubt in a country where many are trying to break free of poverty that they will work for next to nothing on OSS.
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What should be noted about him is that he is not a politician, but a scientist and an independent thinker foremost.
Everyone thinks they are independent thinkers. Someone else is an independent thinker if you agree with him, otherwise he's just being difficult.
India is a growing market, not an already established one. Microsoft is no more "entrenched" there than OSS software is. They could go either way at this point, and if the government (which has lots of nice, fat contracts to hand out to developers) is strongly in favor of OSS, that turns the tide pretty strongly in favor of the Open Source camp.
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Euro/dollar activity has little to do with peoples general feelings toward America and much more to do with the fact that Fed Governor Bernanke said, paraphrasing, "we have this thing called a printing press, and we aren't afraid to use it", combined with Alan G saying that we don't have enough inflation.
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He added that India should emerge not only as a software industry but as an "ICT (Information and communication technology) industry" with equal strengths in software, hardware, embedded systems design, integration and total end-to-end solutions.
I think India is to be reckoned with in the future. Take the pharmaceutical industry at the moment, India has big companies manufacturing generic medicines.
That story actually reminded of that: give them the source/ingredients and they will try to make it, but cheaper. Obviously they can't make free software any cheaper, but if they try to make it a complete solution, then why couldn't they have a chance of succeeding?
The major problem they are facing at the moment imho is probably a lack of qualified IT people, but give them time, and they will surely be there.
It makes sense, since the President of India is a top-level scientist (I believe he headed India's nuclear programme) and not a clueless buffoon.
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I find the subjective statement that "he is not a politician" to be exceptionally slanted. Clearly, the submitter has alterior motives. It has a certain Clintonian ring to it that suggests that the submitter is the guy's campaign manager.
Any guesses as to what these motives are? How could you say that the leader of the largest democracy in the world is not a politician, first and foremost?
I think the slashdot editors should have stripped that subjective statement from the story. Just because a guy advocates OSS doesn't put him on some new plane of existance.
Anyway, hooray for gov't backed OSS. I'm sure if Bush came out and made the same speech, he'd be crucified on slashdot in some strange way.
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I wonder what Ghandi would say about the president of India having helped design nuclear missiles?
I suspect he would have something to say about that before getting his shorts in a knot over Microsoft's EULA.
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India is really making gains in the IT world. They are also a rapidly expanding and potentially quite vast market. If a company can get enough of a foothold in India, we may see someone other than MS dominate there.
1 000 000 000 million people worldwide using an Os that isn't Windows..... Now, that would clobber Microsoft's world domination plans.
On a side note, anyone know how I can invest in India's IT stocks?
The leader of the world's most populous democratic (as far as that term goes, anyway) nation advocates the development (and thus the use) of open-source software. Completely excellent.
With this announcement following the Munich decision, it will be interesting to see if any further cities/states begin to take a closer look at open-source alternatives. If these increasingly influential parties have some success with this decision, then I would think that this could be quite the spur to others who are getting fed up with being strangluated by the ever-more restrictive licensing and lowest-common-denominator quality of many proprietary products.
Are we perhaps watching the pebble begin to roll?
B
"We must still have chaos within in order to be able to give birth to a dancing star." --Friedrich Nietzsche
For a country like india to invest in open source. They have the IT manpower, a huge indegenous market with enough demand to absorb anything that is created even if they dont prove successful oversees where microsoft is already a dominant player. I dont know what Gates discussed with the President of India about security, it sure dint go too well.
Also, it should be noted that the president of india is not directly elected by the people unlike united states & does not carry that much of a power. I would like to hear something like this from the prime minister of India - which will not happen because industry lobbyists are effective where there is a need for money to run in elections.
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Replace India with America, and Kashmir with Iraq.
India's nuclear arsenal came to be as a deterrent against China and Pakistan, both very agressive neighbors which probably wouldn't have hesitated to expand their borders. Expecially China. Now imagine what would have looked like a (conventional) war between such huge countries.
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--the whole idea of developing a market skill is so you can market yourself. Dumping millions more microsoft admins and developers out there just dilutes anyone's marketability-at THIS TIME- it would appear. Seems like you have to walk a line between today and tomorrow, and I'd slap me money on open source eventually "winning" or at least increasing global market and mindshare. There simply have to be many Indians who can see this. also the comments section on the linked story tends to support that idea by a wide margin.
Everytime I look at it, it is obvious that microsoft feels the same way, else they wouldn't bother in offering incentives down to zero cost, giving away licenses, etc, because there would be no need if they didn't see it or believe it. They could even INCREASE prices if they didn't feel open source was a threat to their dominance. And also tending to lobby for legislative efforts that would further lock themselves in "legally" somehow, establish clear governmental and corporate ties mandated by law. It's a cliche but that is clearly-fascistic. That's a desperation move on their part, or seems so to me anyway.
IMO, this past year hit the turning point in open source being way good enough for about any use,for any user level. Before still a little clunky and rough around the edges, but now? Naw, plenty good enough to compete with microsoft, propieatry unixes, mac osx, etc for well over 90% of any conceivable use out there, at any level. Even a complete GUI person like moi has little problems with normal non exotic applications with Linux for example. 3 years ago I took a qucik look at it and didn't even bother trying, because I knew I couldn't use it effectively. last yerar I tried again, MUCH MUCH better, the advances were probably more obvious to someone like me than for someone who had been using linux whatever for many many years, because they saw the advances in very small incremental steps. What I "saw" was a decade worth of advancement in a year or two compared to windows or like previous mac classic. That was enough for me to predict eventual open source dominance. Open source went from a V2 rocket level to a Saturn V and moon landing in a few years, so that trend and rapidity of development will continue most likely.
And the price is sure right-on, trebly more important in areas of the planet where the average wage is dismal. The security is right-on. The customize-ability is right-on. The enthusiasm is right-on. The mindshare with younger geeks is right-on. The license choices are right-on. Hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper and now it's just a matter of time where choice of installed OS is just common, not an aberration at any retail level. Once that occurs it's a new wide open market again, and it's *this close* right now.
And as to "jobs", any nation makes more money by trading with itself as much as possible, and keeping the money recycliing as close to home, rather than exporting it. India and china in particular are in a unique position where there populations are simply so gigantic that they can take advantage of that. Sure, expat workers sending money back home helps, but CREATING the wealth and money in the first place at home is an economic force multiplier. An example opf that was when the US primarily did this with a more diversified economy, and vertical integration of the various sub niches of the economy. Since we went to exporting our developed ability to create wealth, we've gone from the worlds largest creditor nation to worlds largest debtor nation. India would be WAY smart to not duplicate that mistake,to listen to the thinkers rather than the high level market skimmers, and to seek to get more independent, not more dependent, in IT or anything else.
Umm, I am sorry but you miss the point here completely.
Those *EXAMS* are really hard. It isn't easy for students to study for 2+ years before taking them. Your MIT equivalent: GPA (depends from school to school) and SAT (bahhh, so laughably coachable) are relatively easy. And, really, does extra curricular activities symbolize intelligence? Letters or recommendations are all about favortism. So, well, there it is: MIT's admission standards are no rocket launch.
Any generic high school student isn't going to pass the exams. Admission standards at MIT are mighty low compared to IIT. IIT accepts less than 2000 students a year out of around 200,000-250,000 test takers. Thats below 1% (and this is for undergrads). Last time I checked even MIT's grad programs in their best areas have an acceptance rate of around 3 to 5%.
Also, US has many other great undergrad institutions, India doesn't. I will go out on a limb and say that IIT has a better undergrad population then MIT. Anyway, over 95% of IITers end up in US. They are braniacs and ambitious, they might not have the advantages of a first world education and the tools that come along with it, but when they come here they are second to none.
Oh, come on now, no need to be vicious. Certainly, as Americans we tend to be somewhat elitist, ethnocentric, and globally unaware, but don't confuse the thoughts of the most audible with the thoughts of the less vocal majority.. Most Americans don't think that just because someone is a foreigner that they are a terrorist, up to no good, or are a drag on the economy. Certainly, they have some fear of people of middle-Eastern descent, but you can't really begrudge them that, due to the current state of things. It isn't to say that we should be afraid, but if you get bitten by your neighbor's dog, you're bound to be a bit wary of your neighbor and dogs in general for a while, especially if you see them regularly going after each-other's throats. Not to go on a diatribe here, and I certainly thinkg Americans could stand to be a bit more globally concious, but the time will come when we don't have a choice, and that statement up there just comes across as being bitter. Your posting history doesn't indicate you as being trollish or having a particular appetite for flamebait, so I'll assume you're just having a bad day.. Hope that improves for you.
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 29, @10:06AM (#6067180)
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Defending America abroad "the American Way", speaking from anonymity, calling for oppression.
There is nothing so silly as other peoples traditions, and nothing so sacred as our own.
Hmm, seems to me that the Indian tech firms are able to make it just fine by getting programming jobs from ... the US.
I know a lot of programmers kind of resent this, but it isn't just about them being able to program cheaper. Most of these programming shops in India are at CMM level 3 or higher. That means a lot to big compaines. Not only is it cheaper, but these places put out good, reliable software with good documentation (code, results, requirements, design, etc). That stuff matters. I am currently on a team at my company that is trying to get processes in place to get us to CMM level 2. It is hard. People don't like following processes, don't like documenting what they do, they don't like being held accountable for their work. Some of the good companies in India are at CMM level 5, which is no small feat.
So instead of people bitching about India, and how they are stealing our jobs, and how they are just clawing their way out of poverty, maybe we should ask WHY they are able to achieve these things when most companies in the US are not. It kind of reminds me of the Japanese car scare, where people would only "buy American" even though American cars completely sucked. The cheaper, more reliable Japanese cars of the late 70's/early 80's sure woke up the US car industry. Maybe it is time the US softare market woke up.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Amerika should abandon nuclear weapons.
Amerika should stop tolerating pograms against minorities (DMCA).
Amerika should address their grievous repression
of "lower castes" ("Niggers", amerikan natives).
Amerika should listen to the UN.
Maybe if they addressed these, we could take
your comment seriously.
Where I disagree with you is on piracy. I think the operating system should be free, programming languages should be free and that's it. The point of a free operating system is to foster a competitive environment. Companies still need assurances that they can write software without giving it away.
So you think that all software developed, excepting OS-level stuff, should be proprietary? That seems a little harsh. Would you really like to remove the right of people to give their work away? A vast collection of software is available today because people have chosen to work on something in their spare time and distribute it, mostly because it worked for them and someone else might benefit as well.
And is the point of a free operating system to foster a competitive environment? I view it as a side effect not the reason.
Even if it comes to a point where you can't make money writing software, people are always going to want someone/some company to help them use it, implement it or merely document it. There will always be opportunities for making money with software. You just might find selling it tough. I don't think that hurts the software industry one iota - people will end up paying for the most competitive system implemented in the most effective and useful fashion. Companies who build the expertise to make such installations will be the ones who will stand to make the most money in such an economy. Finally we might see a software economy where the talents and knowledge of the companies employees are the real financial capital rather than the number of patents you hold.
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Toby Haynes
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Expose on US fascism. They may not be Muslim fanatics, but they are religious fanatics.
The US should abandon nuclear weapons and ICBMs.
The US should stop tolerating pograms (sic) against minorities.
The US should address their grievous repression of "lower castes" (ie, people from poorer backgrounds).
The US should respect the Geneva Convention and other human rights in Camp X-Ray, as specified by most of the world.
Maybe if they addressed these, we could take US policy seriously.
It works both ways doesn't it?
Seriously, before you start deciding which governments around the world are OK and which aren't, perhaps you should pay more attention to your own goverment and your own society.
If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they'd be appalled at how their vision of a free and egalitarian society has been corrupted.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
WE designed and DEPLOYED the first nukes on Japan. WE still pump the most funds into designing NEW ways to kill people. How are we any better? How are we in a position to criticize someone else?
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have you guys ever heard of a test platform?
open source at its finest!!
Abdul Kalam is no scientist. That is just the way he has marketed himself in order to maximize political gains.
You will probably say that he worked 40 years in the DRDO, India's main Defense research organization. He was an administrator (i.e. management) for DRDO, not a scientist. And his "doctorate" is an honorary doctorate --- he only holds a Bachelor's degree.
100% politician.
You have certainly shown President Bush has a proud lineage stemming from the American ruling class ('Bush' sounds familiar somehow...) -- a group that could afford to send him to an Ivy-league school, even if he's a turnip (and afford to joy-ride in planes). But I'm afraid none of this says *anything* about his intelligence -- only that he is very well connected. My dog is 'bilingual', so what? If you grew up in a mixed language environment, you wouldn't be so easily impressed.
And this shows that he is smart how? Having a pilot's license is a measure of intelligence. ROFL. So did Mohammed Ata, and I am sure that he is not exactly classified as an Einstein. Dr. Kalam speaks at least four languages (and I am probably understanting it a fair bit - Tamil, Hindi, English, and yes Urdu - he is a _Muslim_. What does that say about tolerance/diversity?) You think speaking Spanish is hard? I have picked up the language in two months, its so similar to English. Try doing that with any two of the languages I just mentioned above.
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Getting a degree from Yale (or Harvard, whatever and with a C average to boot) is *definitely* not always a measure of intelligence. Getting into an Ivy league school only requires money and influence. Let me quote
He [Kalam] is the Vice President of Astronautical Society of India, Fellow of the Indian National Academy of Engineering and Indian Academy of Sciences, Bangalore, and an Honorary Fellow of the Institution of Electronics and Telecommunication Engineers
As regard's America's president -- I really think they need a reformer who is willing to have the courage to come up with concrete solutions to the problems created by the US and other countries rather than someone who wakes up in the morning and decided it would be fun to invade another country to improve his popularity ratings (and a "terror dial" to scare gullible Americans. Orange and everyone runs to hide under the kichten table and store duct tape. He He. What a riot). This country is so blind to news from outside. As you might have guessed by now, I am from India and when I see that something called __World__ news tonight has as lead story something about fighting in Israel and all other stories items like how some guy was arrested in Texas someplace for smoking pot or whatever, I realize how important world news really is to this country. And this even after "everything changed" after
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9/11!!!
I suppose I'd have a similar opinion of human morality / nature if I lived in a nation which tolerates systematic human degradation as India does.
You are so fucking stupid it is scary .. ,one simply cannot judge anything or anyone.
According to you
If you don't fucking see a difference between some of the regimes out there and US then you are fucking sick and need to get out more.
Seriously.
There's a reason why you and the original poster have posted as Anonymous Cowards. It's because you are cowards, because you don't have the guts to stand up and say "this is me, this is my opinion, this is what I truly believe in".
And, please, try and get it right. I'm not saying that you can't judge others. I'm saying that if you're going to judge others then you should be prepared to be judged yourself.
The difference between the Indian "regime" and the US? Well, for starters, India hasn't invaded another country under the pretence of eliminating Weapons of Mass Destruction, only to turn around after the invasion and say that finding those WMDs (if they truly exist) isn't that important after all.
It amazes me when people can't see hypocrisy when it's staring them in the face every fucking day.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
If you can't clean your own house, what gives you the moral authority to criticize the American political system?
As an American I guess I could respond to this with 'the First Amendment', but then you'd probably claim that basic rights like 'freedom of speech' only apply to U.S. citizens.
And really - talk about cleaning your own house. My government started a war over WMD and terrorism, against a nation which has no WMD and wasn't even remotely involved in 9/11, simply to steal that country's oil while proving that Shrub has a bigger dick than Saddam. You want to talk corrupt? Take a look at who's been awarded the multi-billion 'rebuilding' contracts and control over the oil - note how they're directly connected to both Shrub and mini-Shrub.
I'd say corruption is alive and well here in America, and reaches right up to the top levels of government. What are you going to do now? Claim that *I* don't have the 'moral authority' to criticize the government either?
Max
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