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IBM Launches Linux Desktop in India

kanad writes "Who says that Linux on desktop is dead. Well maybe in the developed markets where people are using windows since last 10 years and are used to it. But in nascent markets it maynot be the case. From this story at Times of India , IBM is launching a linux based desktop model (A30) for about US$ 850. The specifications of the A30 is available from zdnet india site although the price mentioned is about US$ 1100. IBM CEO recently visited India generating news and smoke about big blue taking some serious linux initiative in India. Here is a more practical story on Linux in India"

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  1. fr1st post by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'll read the article in a moment. Until then, what do you mean Desktop Linux is dead in the developed world? What I see is people desperate to use it, but held back by lack of ease-of-use, compatability and too much inertia. I don't see people saying "oh, who cares, getting done over by Redmond isn't so bad".

    Hmph.

    1. Re:fr1st post by pkunzipper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. It's not dead. I am not around too many people willing to experiment with Linux (Learn), but I took the initiative myself after having spent the last 6 months reading about Microsoft's DRM initiatives and related materials. Even on TV IBM is advertising Linux (and some UNIX) use. Good move, as is the India initative. If Alternative systems are going to be successful, growing large outside of the US will be a big step (like building an army) prior to returning to the US, which at that point may be falling behind in software technologies (not likely, but DRM is a luddite move). If I'm going to invest $1000 in a box, just like $10,000 (or whatever) in a car, I'm going to use it to its fullest potectial, and maitain the freedom to modify it as I see fit without having to pay $100 a pop for "licences"

    2. Re:fr1st post by mjmalone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that they have been brought up using windows, and are used to using windows, and linux is very different than windows is exactly what makes linux hard to use. Just as a dvorak keyboard is hard to use. People don't have the time to devote to learning new things when, in their opinion, the way they are doing things as is works out fine.

  2. IBM's reply to SCO? by pe1rxq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could we see this as the first real reply to the SCO case? Something like: 'Up yours SCO!' or more like: 'Lalalalalah Can't hear you!' ??

    Jeroen

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    1. Re:IBM's reply to SCO? by zonix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The parent is not a troll! (moderator on crack)

      This move shows that IBM is not at all hesitant and underscores their commitment to deliver GNU/Linux solutions despite SCO's obvious spreading of FUD.

      z
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  3. What Linux needs by OmniVector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the first step we'll see in Linux becoming big on the desktop (in a general work area) is overseas governments. Eventually it may spread to the schools of those overseas countries. After that has happened, other countries will follow because the infrastructure is already there to switch since another country has put in the time and effort to make an enmass switch. Eventually it might get some usage in the large scale due to students using it at home after trying it at school. This is a *BIG* deal if we can get just one government to start the dominos.

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    1. Re:What Linux needs by OmniVector · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because the piracy scene in US companies and governments isn't neary as bad as many overseas countries. not to mention US is a fairly rich country, so the average piracy even amongst citizens isn't as bad. other governments, particularly ones like germany where they have their own linux distro (suse).

      I believe that too many people in power today in the US (managers, government officials, etc) think that if you don't have to pay for it, then it must be: a) too good to be true, b) there has to be a catch, or c) you get what you pay for and many of us on slashdot know that just isn't true.

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    2. Re:What Linux needs by MKalus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Europe (espeically Germany) seems to be active on that one.

      The city of Munich decided to go with Linux (IBM & SuSE) and thus Microsoft is out of the door.

      Nothing big one might think if you forget two things:

      1. Munich is pretty "rich" in comparision to other municipalities.
      2. Munich is one of the "high tech" cities in the country.

      If IBM and SuSE can pull this off more parts of Germany will most likely make the switch and then it won't be that long until the federal government will go the same route. It already was a close call last year and I bet that Microsoft is already starting to sweat, they tried EVERYTHING to prevent Munich from "deserting" the Microsoft path.

      M.

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    3. Re: What Linux needs by mjmalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea isnt that they are going to continue offering such a discount. The idea is rather that they will hook you young, as a college student, when you are learning how to use the software that you will use as a professional. Once you get used to say, using MathCAD in Windows XP you are going to want to stick with it, and in order to do so when you graduate you are going to have to shell out a few grand.

    4. Re: What Linux needs by LX.onesizebigger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The nice thing is that this won't work, because $20 is a bigger deal to a poor uni student than $100 (or whatever Windows currently ships at, or will ship at) is to a university graduate with a well-paid job. And after all, $20 is still more than $0. When adjusted for a student's budget, M$ discounts really aren't discounts at all.

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  4. People are scared of linux because... by ahadley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason people don't use Linux, IMO, is not because it is harder to use or less logical in its layout (obviously i'm talking just about using KDE or the like), it is mainly because people have been using Windows since they were this tall.

    If people started on Linux then Windows would seem bizare and hard to use at first, just as Linux is percieved by the windows generation now adays.

    Just my 2 (euro) cents worth
    Alex

    1. Re:People are scared of linux because... by doinky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a load of crap. People don't use linux because the "string together a bunch of small tools" approach so popular with Unix geeks is absolutely 180 degrees opposite from the paradigm most people are comfortable with in their real lives.

    2. Re:People are scared of linux because... by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did it ever occur that maybe a lot of those people who dont use Linux are happy with windows? Various distributions are available for free or for little cost but you dont see droves of users dumping windows and moving to Linux. Partly due to inertia as you say but also the majority of them are probably happy enough with what they have and see no compelling reason to change.

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  5. Good nes for the 3rd World by PhysicsExpert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This could be excellent news for the proseperity of the third world in general and the redution in the digital divide in particular.

    At present many third world countries such as Ethiopia, Rhodesia and India have serious problems in that computers are an unobtainable luxery that the ordinary man on the street cannot afford. If we can get free software into these countries then we can alleviate much of the hardware costs associated with running a computer and so make it easier for undeveloped societies to have access to modern technology (ok the hardware costs are still there but how much does a second hand computer cost these days?).

    The impact of this cannot be underestimated. If you think how much computers have impacted on your work and how much time/money they save then you will realise why third world countries cannot compete on a level playing field with us Americans. If we can get Linux into these countries we can enable them to make money so they will not be a drain on the ric countries but will instead be able to make money and provide for themselves.

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  6. 128mb?? by Alpha_Nerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish companies would stop selling systems with 128mb of RAM... 256 is bare minimum nowadays. People wouldn't notice the difference between that 2.4ghz P4 and a $50 AMD Athlon XP 1700+...

    Of course, I'm sure they do this because they can get away with it... The average consumer probably thinks a CPU with a big number next to it is more important.

    1. Re:128mb?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      1999: omg windows is so bloated lolorz it includes all sorts of stuff that should be seperate!! haha ie is integrated in it!!!

      2003: lunix is bettar cause it comes with lots of extra bloated things like office and graphics software!! it si bettar than teh windows!!!

  7. Re:Excellent by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dude,
    Linux or no linux, jobs/projects are being out sourced to india because of one simple reason . CHEAP LABOUR.
    If you think outsourcing to india is problem, wait till china catches up. they have even better infrastructure and cheaper labour .right now the only problem for them is ability to speak english.
    In case you forgot it's called capitalism.

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  8. Re:India will be the dominant force in computing by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As an Indian I beg to differ,
    they don't have an attitude/ego
    yeah right, i think we indians have one THE most infalted ego about our computing abilities.
    they really really really want to program(unlike lazy westerners)
    What a gross generalisation. Incase you forgot most of computing initiatives are taken by western countries.
    They actually meet targets
    Not any faster than anyone else
    The quality is as good as western code
    How does this make indians better ?
    the labour is cheap
    no arguments here. But don't forget the labour is cheap because of a weak economy and huge population, which have their own problems.
    there are 1.3 billion people (making them second to China)
    Out of which 30-40 % are under poverty line
    They use Linux for everything
    WHAT ?

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  9. US $850? by dafoomie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't 850 a little pricey for the average guy in India? Especially considering I can walk down to Wal-Mart and get one for $200.

  10. Yes indeed by simong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who does say Linux on the desktop is dead? As far as I can see its takeup is just beginning, and as long as Microsoft persevere with an overpriced, overpowering 'standard', more organisations will consider it throughout the world.

  11. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah, like pirating software from MS ever kept them awake nights... To them, Windows is already free.

  12. Another Bonus by Cardinal+Biggles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, selling Linux desktops will help vendors compete with the low-cost boxen with pirated Windows you can get in developing countries. The cost of a Windows license is more significant there.

    But there's another advantage: if Linux-on-the-desktop seriously takes off, it would make the PC vendors more independent of Intel. After all, who cares what instruction set their CPU is running? The only reason everyone still uses x86 is because that's the only platform that'll run Windows.

  13. Re:Excellent by hey · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, English (the international language for all its faults) is far more widespread in India. I don't see China catching up in this area any time soon.

    Of course, when China decides it wants to do something they can really go for it. They might say all students have to pass an tough English test before they graduate but this seems unlikely to me.

  14. People stay with Windows because ... by tjwhaynes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did it ever occur that maybe a lot of those people who dont use Linux are happy with windows? Various distributions are available for free or for little cost but you dont see droves of users dumping windows and moving to Linux. Partly due to inertia as you say but also the majority of them are probably happy enough with what they have and see no compelling reason to change.

    Did it occur to you that a vast army of computer users really don't know what they are using? Most of the circles I move in are populated with people who are used to multiple operating systems but occasionally I step back into the normal populace to help out a neighbour and I realise just how wide the gap is.

    Take, for instance, someone I helped fix their system after it was upgraded by another friend. The term 'operating system' is not one that the average computer user really understands. Therefore 'Windows is an operating system' is something that probably half the computer users out there don't have any serious comprehension of. This means that not only do a large number of people use Windows because they have it, they are unlikely to change it because they really don't know it 'exists' as a product. When they get a new computer, it comes preinstalled and they never really have to worry about it. I'm reminded of a survey where a significant chunk of people in the street thought that 'Pentium' was a chip maker.

    People rant a lot about how getting Linux preinstalled on new computers is the absolutely critical step in getting people to use Linux. From the ivory towers of the tech elite, it's way too easy to think that because people have a choice of OSs, they will exercise or even understand that choice. When you think of a store selling computers, people generally want a list of utilities (email, web, office suite, photo galleries, etc) - how that is acheived is irrelevant to them as long as it works. Much as people are now of the opinion that a virus checked is an essential item on any system (does anyone know of one for AIX :-) ).

    Cheers,

    Toby Haynes

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