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1.5GB HDs On a 1" Platter

darthv506 was among several to point out a Cnet story describing a new "1.5GB HD on a 1" Platter. Samsung is releasing a sub 600 buck video camera that is "Smaller than a pack of cigarettes" featuring the drive. The drive is actually in production, and apparently goes for $65 in volume.

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  1. RTFA by joe630 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The story says it is a 5GB drive on a 1.5" platter. Maybe posters should read the article.

    1. Re:RTFA by joe630 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "A reduction in components cuts costs. The 1.5-inch 5GB drive, which has been in volume manufacturing since mid-April, sells for $65 in quantities of 10,000. The company is aiming for $50, Magenis said. By contrast, existing standard 1-inch Microdrives from IBM sell for $219 at retail or more, while 1GB flash cards go for around $200."

    2. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I RTFA.

      To quote the lead sentence - "The Longmont, Colo.-based start-up has developed a 1.5GB, 1-inch diameter hard drive for consumer-electronics devices that the company says will be cheaper, smaller and hold more data than some other mini-hard drives or flash-memory cards."

      Later on in the FA, it calls it a 1.5" 5 GB drive.

    3. Re:RTFA by robkill · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's an error in the article. According to Cornice's website, It's a 1.5GB drive.

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  2. Re:ahem... by PerlGuru · · Score: 5, Informative

    The main thing here is that this is normal hard-drive type technology just with higher density, probably lower power consumption as well (still reading article). This makes it much more economical then a Flash drive of equivelent size. Note that in the write-up a cost of $65 in quantity is much cheaper then flash drives.

  3. A typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "The Longmont, Colo.-based start-up has developed a 1.5GB, 1-inch diameter hard drive"

    "At 1.5GB, the Cornice-based devices"

  4. weren't these drives announced a while ago? by fugu · · Score: 2, Informative

    hm...

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/15/1514 24 6&mode=nested&tid=137

  5. Re:IBM / Toshiba MicroDrive - RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Price: 200 some dollars versus 65 (soon to be 50)

  6. They started planning early...... by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out this article for a quick lowdown. Several areas seem to have taken this approach -- Englewood, CO, has a thriving tech center, as well.

  7. Re:Data Transfer will be the bottleneck by altman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Erm, no.

    USB2.0 or Firewire both have plenty enough bandwidth to saturate the drive. Cornice drives manage well excess of 3MBytes/sec in my experience (I work for Rio), which is faster than I've ever seen from my 1GB microdrive plugged into a PCMCIA-CF adaptor.

    Remember USB2.0/Firewire can support up to in excess of 30MBytes/sec. This is faster than a CF interface can manage - CF doesn't have DMA capability.

    Hugo

  8. Re:Which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    both I think... a 1" 1.5 gb drive coming soon and a 1.5" 5 gb drive that is already in production.

  9. Re:Surface Mount by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's surface mount, i.e. fixed, i.e. non-removable (unless mounted in a compact flash sized shell). It's got a minimalistic shell to reduce price --that's the point; it can be installed in cheap cameras.

  10. Re:Whatever happened to by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative
    They required a lab full of optics and lasers to work. Since that won't fit (yet) into a beige box, you're not likely to see them.

    Give it a few years (yeah, yeah, I know you've already been waiting) You're more likely to see these as the transition to optical computing takes place in , well, a couple of decades.

  11. Re:Radio-TiVo? by NMerriam · · Score: 2, Informative

    How is that any better than a tape recorder?

    you can record 10,000 hours of minimal-quality audio? Silence takes up just as much space on tape as sound does, not so with decent digital encoding.

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  12. Re:Radio-TiVo? by missing000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they are NPR news shows you can download any of them for free already.

    If the show is syndicated and not available online for free, you really should just ante-up and buy tapes to support it don't you think?

  13. ARCHOS does it all and more by Atreide · · Score: 2, Informative

    Already exists since the 1st of june 2003 when ARCHOS offcialy launched the new AV300 series :

    mp3, divx, photos, camera, video shoot & playback, tv recorder & playback, radio, speech/radio/mp3 recorder (some need modules), 3.8 inches screen, USB2/Firewire for a "few" 800 buck.

    oh... forgot, it's 20Gb and 40Go in a few months.

    Not yet in stores however or already in shortage ? ;)

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  14. The New Samsung Camcorder by nherc · · Score: 4, Informative
    The ITCAM-7 is pretty slick actual... tiny, cheap and it uses MPEG4 (there's a pic of it here as well).

    Some specs:

    • Camcorder: MPEG4, 1.5 or 3 Mbps, VGA (640x480)
    • Digital camera (JPEG, 640x480)
    • MP3 player
    • Audio recorder
    • Data storage
    • Webcam
    • Lens: Optical 10x zoom
    • CCD: 350K pixels
    • LCD: 2.0" LCD, 211K pixels
    • Storage: 1.5 GB HDD, Memory stick
    • Recording time: 66min in "Super Fine" mode
    • Interface: USB 2.0
    • Size: 64mm x 33.5mm x 103mm (about the size of a thick calculator)
    • Weight: 185g
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  15. Fortunately Hitachi's beat them with a 4GB disk by stienman · · Score: 4, Informative
    Hitachi announced a 4GB Microdrive (one inch) earlier this year.

    The differences between these two products:
    • Hitachi is more expensive, more parts, requires more power
    • Cornice is more 'dumb', less capacity, smaller (mounted to PCB) and non-removable
    So they each have their advantages. I don't know if I could be satisfied with being unable to 'change tapes' in my camcorder - it probably takes on the order of minutes to transfer from the camera to a computer or other storage device, and I doubt the drive has enough throughput and a low enough seek time to allow both high speed recording and high speed reading which would allow me to offload portions of the data while still recording.

    But not owning a camcorder I don't know what the usage patterns typically are. I imagine that most days it's used it isn't used for more than an hour throughout the whole day. At this point the MPEG4 encoder may require more power then the HD, which means that a very small li-ion polymer battery will last through the entire drive.

    -Adam
  16. Re:Whatever happened to by netmask · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yah.. These were designed by scientists at IBM's Almaden Research Center.

    "Scientists in the lab discovered a way to manipulate the crystal's structure with lasers and store data three-dimensionally in holograms within the crystal's volume. The greatest benefit of holographic storage is that huge amounts of data locked in the crystal matrix can be accessed instantaneously. The iron-doped lithium niobate crystals are grayish in color and the size of Las Vegas dice. Although still in the experimental stage, they may one day replace hard drive platters as a storage medium."

    also:

    "The only rewritable material that could replace a hard drive is single-crystal lithium niobate, and writing to it requires an argon-ion laser that's about 4 feet long and weighs 10 pounds. But the real reason Kryder has doubts about holographic storage is because regular old hard-drive technology may make it unnecessary. Using new materials and magnetizing methods, he believes that a one-terabyte (1000GB) notebook hard drive could be a reality in five to six years."

    (both quotes from pcworld.com articles)

    Take a look at some of the pictures of the prototypes and much more technical information HERE

  17. Re:Radio-TiVo? by stevenbdjr · · Score: 2, Informative

    When they get to some MP3 or Vorbis streaming, let me know.

    WAMU, the Washington D.C. NPR station does MP3 streaming.

  18. Re:A video camera seems like an odd fit. by davebarz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I work at Circuit City and I just sold a lady a higher end Sony 1MP MiniDV camcorder today for $799. The memory stick that was included was 8 MB, so this would be a bit of a step up. Still, if you're buying something for stills, you don't want a 1 MP camera.

    So, yeah, with 14fps and 1MP each, you're looking at about 3 minutes and 15 seconds of record time, if I didn't drop a zero somewhere. Not too great, is it?

  19. Why to use spindles and NOT flash, for video by Nonesuch · · Score: 2, Informative
    The "Compact Flash" interface itself has a relatively low transfer rate, which may not be sufficient for sustained video recording.

    Beyond the speed of the interface itself, there are two issues with actual "CompactFlash" storage (as opposed to CF-form factor spindles):

    1. Flash memory has a relatively low sustained write speed of 3MB/s (for 20X CF storage.)
    2. Flash memory has a limited (1 million cycles) re-write lifetime, strongly affected by the operating temperature.
    Neither of these limitations are all that critical for a still camera, but can pose a real problem for a camcorder.

    I ran up against both of these limits while working out the issues of booting and running a firewall (OpenBSD on AMD) using only flash storage.