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Still more links on SCO's assorted allegations of copyright infringement. They say they're going to sue Novell. Software analysts refuse to be part of the hoax - also some good quotes from Linus here. SCO and UNIX: a Comedy of Errors. Salon has a story on SCO too, but sadly it's not available to read freely. And Wired has an old story which I think sums up the SCO claims pretty well.

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  1. you *can* read the salon story freely... by spyderbyte23 · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...if you first watch a brief, flash-based interstitial ad, and you have cookies turned on.

    It so happens that this "Free Day Pass" is, today, sponsored by Microsoft.

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    1. Re:you *can* read the salon story freely... by Gregory+S+Patterson · · Score: 5, Informative

      Open this page, then open this one.

      Bingo, free salon story, no ads.

  2. Salon by alphapartic1e · · Score: 5, Informative

    Salon has a story on SCO too, but sadly it's not available to read freely

    Salon gives you a "Free Day Pass" that allows access to all of the content if you are willing to sit through a 15-second ad.

  3. Prescient comment from BSD judge by isn't+my+name · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is an enormous difference between an expert programmer sitting down with a pile of textbooks and disjointed segments of code to write out an operating system from scratch, and that same programmer downloading the operating system intact from a public network.

    ---US District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise ruling in the AT&T/BSD lawsuit

  4. NOBODY has mentioned SCO being shutdown in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why has nobody mentioned that SCO lost their courtcase against LinuxTag? They are gagged.

    The german branch of SCO has taken down its web site. Hans Bayer, SCO's executive director in Gemany confirmed that this measure was taken as a consequence of Friday's injunction of a German court against SCO

    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-02.06.03 -0 00/

    SCO wasn't able to support their claims that Linux has infriging SCO IP in it. Isn't this kind of important? It pretty much proves that SCO cannot support their claims.

    I submitted this story already. Can a few other people do it as well?

    NOBODY in the US media has picked up on this.

  5. salon article by zzzmarcus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lawyers against Linux
    A software company launches a billion-dollar suit against the open-source operating system's biggest backer, IBM -- and only succeeds in underscoring Linux's strength.

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    By Farhad Manjoo

    June 3, 2003 | If you ask Chris Sontag, a vice president at the SCO Group, how his tiny software firm decided to launch a billion-dollar lawsuit against IBM and became, in the process, the most reviled name in the open-source programming world, he'll tell you that the whole thing started rather innocently. Sontag says that SCO did not go looking for trouble with fans of free software; instead, trouble found SCO. In January the company, which makes most of its money from the sale of Unix and Linux operating system software, embarked on a routine review of its business holdings. And during the review, "we identified some concerns we had in terms of our intellectual property."

    Specifically, the company determined that some source code in Linux had a lot in common with code in Unix -- and SCO says that in 1995, it purchased rights to all the original Unix source code from the software firm Novell. In other words, SCO believes that Linux, an OS that can be freely copied and modified by anyone, is illegal. Linux is, SCO says, "an unauthorized derivative of Unix." If SCO's accusations are affirmed in court, the millions of companies and individual users who have increasingly built their lives around Linux over the last decade might have to start scrambling for an alternative or face costly penalties.

    But that was not all. During its examination of Linux source code, SCO says it found that it could trace what it believes was Unix code in Linux to one of its longtime partners in the Unix business: IBM. Sontag says that SCO immediately tried to notify IBM of copyright violations in Linux, but "we effectively got no response." So on March 7, SCO filed suit against IBM, alleging "misappropriation of trade secrets, tortious interference, unfair competition and breach of contract." In its complaint, SCO claims that IBM took parts of SCO's Unix code and illegally inserted the code into Linux. Last month, to warn end users about its findings, SCO sent about 1,500 corporate Linux customers a letter saying they could be in legal hot water if they continued to use Linux, which SCO told them was "developed by improper use of proprietary methods and concepts."

    SCO's war on Linux has become a hot topic in open-source circles, inspiring heated discussions on developer listservs and almost daily posts on Slashdot. Opinion in these forums, as well as among more dispassionate industry observers, runs about 99 percent anti-SCO. Nobody believes Sontag's story, and it's not hard to see why. SCO's version of the history of Unix and Linux -- as the company has explained it to reporters and as it outlines in its legal complaint against IBM -- comes off as a one-sided and self-serving account. Critics say the company misstates and exaggerates its own contributions to Unix, and SCO has yet to provide a single example of infringing code it says it has found in Linux.

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    Microsoft

    Industry watchers have attributed SCO's actions to economic desperation. The firm's products have not been doing well recently; the company lost about $25 million last year. SCO now has a stated goal of trying to make money by selling licenses to its Unix intellectual property, and critics see the IBM suit as perhaps only the first of many litigious efforts SCO will attempt. IBM intends to fight the case, but SCO may hope that escalating its rhetoric will make business for Linux companies so difficult that they'll cave in -- either by paying SCO licensing fees or buying the firm out.

    The strategy is not entirely illogical, and SCO's efforts have met with some initial success. In mid-May, Microsoft, which considers Linux its main software rival, made headlines when it decided to purchase a Unix license from SCO. The sum Microsoft paid for the license was not disc

  6. Re:So let me get this straight... by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) You're accusing people of putting your secret code into the Linux kernel.
    2) You'll show me the secret code in question IFF I sign an NDA.
    3) The code for Linux is freely available.

    What's in the secret code that I can't see by looking the kernel source?


    From what I see, the purpose of the NDA is so that you can't tell other people what the offending lines are, because then they could fix them and SCO wouldn't have a case.

    All you're allowed to do is look at their allegations and tell the public "yes, I agree that SCO has a case" or "no, I don't believe them".

  7. German website down by grungeman · · Score: 3, Informative

    SCO's German website is down. A German court had ordered them to stop telling that Linux contains stolen code or to pay a fine of 250,000 Euro. And since everybody at SCO is now busy fighting lawsuits, the had no time to remove only the FUD from their webpage. Consequently they removed the whole website in order to follow the court's order.

    Oh, and a German artice about this can be found here

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  8. Nah, this one's better. by twitter · · Score: 3, Informative

    A real Rebel Yell. Best summory I've seen so far.

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  9. Re:NOBODY has mentioned SCO being shutdown in Germ by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The German branch of the SCO Group removed their website from the internet. According to Hans Bayer, Managing Director of SCO Group Gmbh, the measure is in response to the Preliminary Injunction issued on Friday. The Injunction prevents SCO from claiming Linux contains, or that Linux users could be liable for infringement upon, the Intellectual Property of SCO Group. SCO's internaitional site is still available via www.sco.com, or through 216.250.140.125, the IP addresss formerly associated with www.sco.de/www.caldera.d. Likewise, https://www.sco.de points to the USl site.

  10. Don't forget their new NCP move to Linux by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Netware NDS (and NCP in general- Netware Core Protocol) will be sold as a service(s) to run on Linux. They also are fostering major support with Netware 7 (the kernel will be Linux based): http://www.redhat.com/partners/press_partner_novel l.html http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0414novlinux.htm l http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,590629,00.asp

  11. Re:SCO still packs a punch? by PD · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're right on the money. dBase III was a great product, and they released dBase IV as a follow-on. They expected great things for it. Everyone did.

    But dBase IV was the buggiest piece of shit of the times, and by the time they got it straight it was 1990. Since dBase III was from 1985, that meant that for FIVE YEARS Ashton Tate was standing still. If dBase IV had been usable from the start, they might have had a chance. But in the meantime, a little company called Fox Software came out with FoxPro which was compatible and had many more features than dBase III. Ashton Tate couldn't survive and they were gobbled up by Borland.

    The interesting and ironic part of all of this:

    1988 (September) Ashton-Tate sues Fox Software. In december 1990 the suit filed by Ashton-Tate against Fox Software and Santa Cruz Operations for alleged copyright infringement of the dBASE language is dismissed in court.

  12. Re:shareholders.. by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can check out the insider trading here. Darl owns about 8100 shares since 10/02. If you follow the above link, you will see the CFO has made a few sales worth a little over $30,000. There were also 175,000 shares purchased slightly before SCO announced their lawsuit against IBM last March.

    I'll go put my tin hat on and go to bed in my padded room...

  13. Re:Killing Linux by janda · · Score: 4, Informative

    To quote Dvorak:

    And what happens if there is an out-of-court settlement and IBM does some under-the-table deal and suddenly emerges as the top Linux vendor with the only legal license to use certain aspects of the kernel?

    Then IBM (or SCO, or somebody) will have to define what those "certain aspects of the kernel" are, and they will be replaced by code written by people who have never worked for IBM or SCO. If IBM wants to maintain a "SCO-Fork" of the kernel, more power to them.

    Ask me a difficult one next time.

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  14. Re:Oh please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Even better yet, download the linux kernel that they aren't distributing any more:

    wget ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/scolinux/server/4.0/updates/ SRPMS/kernel-source-2.4.19.SuSE-82.nosrc.rpm -O /dev/null
  15. Re:SCO still packs a punch? by vandan · · Score: 3, Informative

    WTF?
    Buying them out is exactly what they want.
    The most satisfying outcome, by far, will be to watch them jump up and down crying blue murder until their day in court, at which point they are told to go fuck themselves, and their share price drops off the scale.

    Anything else is better than what they deserve.

    By the way, if you want to tell the managing director of SCO Australia what you think of him, his mobile number is: 0419 660 016 SCO

  16. Re:NOBODY has mentioned SCO being shutdown in Germ by falonaj · · Score: 3, Informative

    An English article about the injunction order can be found at ExtremeTech. If you wish to submit the story as well, think about linking the English site instead, as the Slashdot editors seem to refuse articles with too many links to German Heise articles and Babelfish translations.

    Why has nobody mentioned that SCO lost their courtcase against LinuxTag?

    Well, the court case they lost was actually not the one by LinuxTag, but another one by Univention. Uninvention only requested the German SCO branch to be ordered to stop spreading FUD (hence only the German website is offline), LinuxTag also requested SCO itself to be forced to stop spreading FUD in Germany. I haven't heard anything about this case, so it is probably still running.

    I submitted this story already.

    I also did so yesterday. Anyway, even if the events in Germany are less interesting for other countries than I expected, for the discussion in Germany it is really great that SCO has been ordered by a court to stop spreading FUD.