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Putting the TV Broadcast Spectrum to Better Use?

KoshClassic asks: "Recently, on the NPR show All Things Considered, an interview was broadcast with Thomas Hazlett, formerly the chief economist of the FCC. Although short on details, Mr. Hazlett raises the point that, with the high penetration rate of cable / satellite TV into American homes, broadcasting television over the air has (or soon will) become superfulous and that this portion of the radio spectrum could be better utilized for other purposes. What do Slashdot readers think of this idea and, for those who agree, what alternative uses of the broadcast spectrum would you like to see?"

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  1. Rabbit Ears by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I still use rabbit ears, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Rabbit Ears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trying for funny I know, but I came from a rural town with a population of less than 200 and an average income of less than the poverty level. Cable will never come to the town, and most folks won't be able to afford satelite.

  2. The answer is obvious. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Give it back to the public for them to use as they see fit. I think The Goatse.cx Channel would get quite a following, at least it's not Trading Spaces.

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  3. Who cares?!? by Twilight1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point? If anything useful attempts to use this spectrum, the FCC will simply sign it over to the corporations.

    - Twilight1

  4. Airwaves are still good for DTV (HD/SD/etc) conten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the airwaves are still good for HD content (cable company here doesn't throw any our way). Over the air hdtv is still a reason to use the airwaves.

  5. Not everyone can afford cable.... by VirtualUK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    what do the people who can't afford cable do then? For quite a lot of people who work on minumum wage/on welfare, etc., the minimum package cost of satellite or cable is still too expensive.

    1. Re:Not everyone can afford cable.... by mattsucks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nobody cares about these people, because they can't afford to donate to political campaigns.

      Same issue also applies to people (ie, me) who don't want to pay for cable/satellite. Anybody else think that selling off the public TV spectrum would be a sneaky way for the govt. to create a nice big new revenue stream for the big media providers? Maybe i'm just having a glass-is-half-empty day today....

    2. Re:Not everyone can afford cable.... by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In response to the replies that said "Get off your butt and get a job," etc.

      What about the 80-year-old widows on fixed incomes whose meager lives revolve around TV?

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    3. Re:Not everyone can afford cable.... by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Since when did access to television programming become a necessity?

      Access to television programming is clearly not a requirement for any one person. But, at least in a democracy, if access to the broadcast channels is made available to any subset of the populace then access to it for the general populace becomes a necessity for the preservation of democratic principles.

      No doubt the amount of good public discourse on the television today is minimal (and largely there only by FCC mandate). And you may never watch TV (I avoid it whenever I can) but there are large portions of our population who choose to receive all of their information about policy and issues through television programming. It's an important medium; one we can't afford to lose.

      To cut them off merely adds more influence to the entrenched interests.

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  6. How about... by Jhon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    keeping VHF for the time being and killing off UHF? I can still see VHF TV being handy for EBS (or whatever they are calling it now) -- not to mention in many urban areas, broadcast TV works fine and is a good backup when cable TV is out and/or for portable TVs (Sony Watchman).

    Could be fun to open UHF to the public for amature low power broadcasts for a while, too.

  7. Bad idea by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would be fine for a good percentage of Americans, but it would cut off access to many who can't afford the monthly cost of cable or sattelite.

    What they might want to do is to reduce the bandwidth dedicate to TV by reducing the number of UHF channels. Outside the larger markets, they could probably eliminate UHF altogether.

    Of course, that would limit the potential growth of broadcast TV, further supporting the existing large players by making new competition more difficult.

    If they want to eliminate broadcast TV altogether, then they need to work out a deal where cable and sattelite companies give free access to a dozen or so local channels.

  8. "Basic Cable" by TrevorB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think I'd agree to this if it were federally mandated that "Basic Cable" be 100% free. Including all the wiring to your house. Wires, wireless, what's the difference?

    Good luck watching TV portably too... No more sports+BBQ in the back yard.

  9. I still use an antenna by netruner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something else to consider, since so many /.'ers are into the whole privacy thing: Brodcast signals are the only way you can watch TV without someone somewhere keeping track of what you watch.

    Just some food for thought.

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  10. Re:wireless internet by Computer! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    wireless internet would be nice

    Yeah, I mean what use is there for free television? Poor people are so last year.

    I all seriousness, are you guys that excited to buy more gadgets that you would deny the public access to free public television?? This idea is disgusting.

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  11. What about rural users? by Sean80 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder what 'superfluous' really means to the heads of giant media corporations though. Will users in rural areas be forgotten, even though they haven't got cable or satellite service, and aren't likely to get it?

    I get the feeling that they should leave the spectrum in place for many years to come so that these people will always have access to the major stations. In Australia (I'm not sure if it's the same in the US), they forced the telephone company to service rural areas, because otherwise they simply aren't profitable.

    As always, don't forget to remember the little guy.

  12. The "I-hate-SCO" channel by cbdavis · · Score: 5, Funny

    24/7 broadcasts of geeks/antiM$people/Slashdotters ranting and raving about the new Great Satan. We could have weekly code compares with ANY *nix, hosted by Leonard Nimoy.
    Hourly updates about the zillion lawsuits spreading throughout the world claiming ownership of linux. The Iraq InfoMinister could interview SCO Veeps and they could all deny or assert whatever seems appropriate. Sundays would have Linus leading us all in prayer that SCO dries up and disappers. Oh, and NO M$ or MSN commercials! I hate rainbow-colored moths!!

  13. Frequency use by who? by intnsred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I wonder is this: Why can't I watch my local high school or local college's sports teams on TV? Why can't I watch the town meeting/local gov't on TV? (Yes, I know about public access cable, but that isn't available where I live.)

    We have all sorts of TV, but all of it is controlled by large corporations, and all of it is funded by large corporations. It stands to reason that we're going to get biases from those controlling powers in our media.

    The FCC is looking at the picture all wrong. They assume that there's something to watch on TV and that people are satisfied with it.

    I, and most of my friends, are in now way satisfied with TV. I'm in the process of moving and my semi-new (only several-months old) 27" TV won't make the move -- I'm dumping it.

    If the FCC wants to do something, why not open things up for hobbyists, citizen groups, NGOs, and non-multi-national corporations?

    When my local high school and college both have AV departments, it amazes me that I cannot watch their sports games or cultural events on my TV. Instead, I get homogenized crap fed to me by large, out-of-touch media monopolies.

    Am I the only one that feels this way?

  14. Whoa by gone.fishing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a terrible idea. Broadcast reaches places where cable doesn't. Sattelite requires too much hardware and is hard to use in obstructed areas. For example, at my cabin (where broadcast works - usually).

    For a very long time the FCC was criticized that it was unresponsive, too deliberative, and an example of a staid, entrenched beauacracy that did very little good for the people. Somewhere that was turned around and now they are overboard in almost exactly the opposite direction! Frankly, I'd prefeer an FCC that took lonmger to deliberate.

    The airwaves require regulation, they are an extremely valuable, very public resource. They are crowded and need to be managed in the public's best interest. The FCC does not exist to make mega-media companies rich, it exists to protect a resource - in much the same way that the National Park Service exists to protect our national parks!

    Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, the mega-media has gained an inordinate amount of influence over their regulators. Somewhere along the line, the FCC started to manage markets more than resources. We the little people are shut out of the process and even when we complain loud and long, we are ignored.

    The FCC has finally become what everyone said it was - an example of a staid, entrenched beauacracy that does very little good for the people.

  15. Re:Obviously... by robslimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sell it all to ClearChannel

    Maybe, but if the FCC dude is right about the future of TV program distribution, ClearChannel won't want it. It might be great if some goes to Hams and other bits to commercial radio and unlicensed (low-power) data transmission (upper UHF freqs).

    There are a couple of problems with it his idea/prediction, the most important is the shear momentum of the number of TV broadcasters and receivers using this part of the spectrum. Sure, over time the broadcasters could stop transmitting and broadcast only via cable, but that will take some time... and leave rural viewers out in the cold.

    Second, with today's technology and demands for data transmission, there are some limitations to this part of the RF spectrum that might make it unattractive. With the longer wavelength (especially VHF as compared to new cell/mobile phones, 802.11x, etc in the GHz range), efficient transmitter/receiver antennae would probably be too large for most modern applications. Granted, in the upper UHF region, it gets better, but modern, high bandwidth data transmit/receive devices aren't using 1GHz and up just because of frequency allocation... there's beau-coup bandwidth to be had up there, without a lot of the terrestrial source interference issues that bug over-the-air TV viewing.

  16. Since when.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is television a right?

  17. Re:Airwaves are still good for DTV (HD/SD/etc) con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Erm. No. You've got that completely wrong.

    It was decided years ago that digital TV broadcasts (whether HD or not; that hadn't been decided at that point) would occupy the same slices of spectrum we used for analog broadcasts: 6 MHz channels. So a single HD channel occupies the same amount of spectrum as a single analog channel. Which is why HD has to be so highly compressed for broadcast. (HD starts out at over 1.3 Gbps, and gets MPEGged down to 19 Mbps.)

    The 6X figure comes in when you start talking about subchannels. Inside a 6 MHz channel, you can broadcast as many subchannels as you want, dividing up the channel's bandwidth among them. A SD broadcast can be squeezed down to about 3 Mbps (1 MHz) and still look acceptable, so you can put 6 SD subchannels inside a single digital broadcast channel.

    This is not HDTV, however. In order for a broadcast to be called HDTV, it has to have a vertical resolution of at least 1,000 lines. (That's the ATSC's definition.) Broadcasting SD digitially is not the same as HD.