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Sendo Sues Orange for Patent Infringement
captnjameskirk writes "RCR Wireless News is reporting that Sendo is suing European carrier Orange for patent infringement involving the circuit board design within the phones. As the article points out, Sendo also sued Microsoft for allegedly stealing their technology for use in the Smartphone OS." Back in January, we also had some more information on the case between Sendo and Microsoft.
Sendo isn't good at making friends. Just as important in business as elsewhere.
They probably need cash bad.
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I wonder who wins this case. NOT.
CowboyNeal's does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None. CowboyNeal lives in the dark. People this smelly/fat can't be seen in light, lest people will turn to stone.
Hey Orangeo, Sendo your casho to uso!
Sendo *must* be a subsidiary of SCO...
Wouldn't it save bandwidth if you reported the companies that aren't suing each other?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Strangely enough, Sendo is also reporting this.
We have tried to solve the matter in an amicable way,â said Hugh Brogan, Sendoâ(TM)s chief executive officer.
Translated: We tried to extort millions of dollars before filing suit, and they said no. Reminds me of IBM's past amicable actions.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
MS paid SCO for the license to use some vague part of SCO's unix code. So does this mean MS will pay Sendo for directly using Sendo's technology in its own OS?
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I hope they get as much blood as they can from MS and a crapload from Orange as well if Orange knew that the stuff they were getting from MS was sendo's property. This was dirty business at its worst.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Mobile-phone upstart Sendo lashed out with another lawsuit...
...lashed out... another lawsuit..?
Doesn't that sound a little like biased reporting to anybody else?
Or is it just this Orange one? Was n't one of the complaints Sendo had was that basically MS was taking all of it's good ideas and giving them to Orange (which is also tied into MS). Of course MS had a cross licensing thing with Sendo, but I wonder if this patent was part of that deal?
Maybe Sendo found an area where they did n't get completely screwed over by MS?
Here's how the conversation went:
MS Lawyer: "Sure, just sendo us the documents..."
*background laughter*
I know that for many Slashdot readers, the reaction over a patent lawsuit defaults to "those bastards are filing frivolous lawsuits," but wait a minute before you badmouth sendo.
The article said nothing beyond that the claim regards the design of an internal circuit board. Sendo's claim might be legit' it might be BS. We have no idea which at this point.
If anyone actually knows anything substatial about the claim, please enlighten us all.
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Someone should develop a "Free Patent Foundation" - with parallels to the GNU, but for intellectual discoveries, inventions, etc. Though these wouldn't make the developers a lot of money, it could really benefit humankind.
Sorry about the misspelling. It has been fixed.
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A start-up company suing Microsoft? That's just asking to be slaughtered...
Sendo has tech sharing agreement with MS.
Orange has tech sharing agreement with MS.
MS hands over Sendo tech to Orange holds back obligations to Sendo.
Sendo gives up on it's own phone with MS software due to above.
Sendo sues Orange for patent infringement.
So this is n't your average money grabbing patent suit.
Sounds like another case of "I have a patent and I intend on doing nothing with it. In fact, I will sue anybody who tries to do anything along the lines of what my patent describes. I will stifle innovation."
In any other patent suit, you guys are up in arms. But because it against MS, you guys are all for it. Hypocrisy is NOT teh win.
I don't know much about their patent claim, but I can say (after joining their developer program and communicating with them via email and phone), Sendo is one of the most unprofessional companies I have dealt with. I certainly wouldn't trust them (after having done so once already) by "sendoing" them any money.
1) "OMFG!!! Dirty bastards with their filthy circuit board patents. Board design and circuitry is so OBVIOUS once you've seen it. DEATH TO SENDO!"
2) "We need to set up a free foundation where people can donate circuit designs for the good of all humanity."
3) "If they have a case, then let's see the circuit designs released to the public. Won't show them to me without requiring an NDA? I TOLD you they were dirty liars"
4) "WRITE TO YOUR MEMBER OF CONGRESS TODAY, AND TELL THEM YOU DON'T SUPPORT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY PATENTS! DON'T EMAIL THEM, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT EMAIL."
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Please keep in mind: This is a british patent suit.
Not everywere in the world the patent system is as f*ckt up as in the USA. And, speaking for germany, not erverywere it is expensive to fight against false patents. Not Yet. I know, some people are working on it.
Singtel/Optus is releasing one in Australia as well, will Sendo sue them?
"Sendo also sued Microsoft for allegedly stealing their technology"
Microsoft stealing other people's tech?! Say it ain't so Bill!
It's not stupid. It's advanced.
Most big corporation know of many violations of their patents, but they do not persue them. Its like the Mutual Assured Destruction doctrine.
When one starts suing, I think it makes everybody nervous. Its certainly a sign of instability within the company.
...couldn't Orange file a cross-complaint under the tems of the DMCA alleging that Sendo's knowledge of Orange's circuit board design stems from an effort to reverse-engineer said phones?
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Today oranges -- tomorrow kumquats, kiwis, bananas, mangoes...when will it all end, I ask?
With all this recent talk of patent infringement, and all of the cases of companies trying to sue. I sure wish I held the patent on a lawsuit, think of the royalties!
I hope I didnt give anyone ideas...
My sausage tree didn't grow, does that make me a bad mommy?
Let this be a lesson don't do business with Microsoft. Don't liccens your technology to them don't liccens technology from them.
Orange liccensed technology that Microsoft stold. As far as Orange knows the technology is lagit.
Going after Orange is a bit dirty becouse they aren't the crooks and don't have all the facts.
People have taken the SCO for cross refrence so I'll go there.
SCO won't tell us what code is stolen from them. We can't remove the infringing code if we don't know what code they are talking about. They don't want us to remove anything they want to OWN Linux.
Orange didn't steal anything they liccensed technology from Microsoft that Microsoft stold.
Just like SCO wants to own the hard work of thousands of programmers who put more into Linux that SCO put into any code that MAYBE found it's way into Linux.
Sendo wants a chunck of the proffits from Orange.
However. Orange paid for this technology already. They paid whom they believed was the lagit owner. Microsoft has Sendo's money.
Unless Sendo lost the lawsute against Microsoft. Then this is just backstabing.
I don't actually exist.
The DCMA is a US law, Sendo is a British company and Orange is a (French owned) British company.
So how exactly would the DCMA apply here?
ich bin der musikant
mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
I think it's not quite as easy as you make it sound and I don't really know the terms of the deal between Microsoft and Orange. But I can fully envision that Microsoft offered Orange an absolute sweetheart of a deal, since they are desperate to get their crappy, bloated and proprietary phone "platform" to the market.
I can further envision Orange overlooking some potential poison pills, since the deal (for the first adapter and a major carrier in Europe neverless) might have been so sweet.
Sure, this is speculative; but after the shitty that Microsoft has pulled on Sendo (wwhich seems to be pretty well documented) and Orange might be profiting from that I'm with Sendo here and don't see this in anyway related to what SCO is trying to pull off.
ich bin der musikant
mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
I'm going to sue bananas for copying my personal likeness, if you know what I mean. ;)
Uh... yeah, I got nothin.
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the time to strike is neigh (its a word)
lets buy in some volumes of sendo
Is not because they are desperately trying to get their hands on every bit of money they can - it's to send a mesage to other networks considering supplying the MS line of phones. The case should be (and is) between MS and Sendo, except MS being a big corporation is quite willing to spin it out with delays and had no real reason previously to try to come to a quick settlement. They could just carry on selling 'their' phones and keep pushing Sendo away.
Now Sendo have been smart here by suing Orange - any other network operator who is considering which phones to carry is going to be much less likely to select the MS one. They've got no shortage of choices, the MS phone isn't particularly wonderful and now comes with the extreme likelihood of a lawsuit. Why would they want to risk it?
Sendo will now remove most of MS's customers. MS will be in the position that until they settle the lawsuit with Sendo, nobody is going to buy their phones from them. I suspect cutting their income will be an effective way of convincing them to come to the settlement table with a large sack of cash for Sendo.