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SAPAC Unveils New Australian Supercomputer

Sean Burford writes "The South Australian Partnership for Advanced Computing (SAPAC) has unveiled its new AU$1.7 Million supercomputer named Hydra. It is an IBM 1350 Linux cluster with 126 compute nodes (xSeries 335), 1 head node (xSeries 335), 1 storage node (xSeries 345) and 1 managment node (xSeries 345). Hydra has a peak theoretical performance of 1.2 Teraflops, and has currently benchmarked at 682 Gigaflops. The current benchmark places it in the fastest three supercomputers in Australia and equivalent to the current number 80 in the world. The cluster has a total of 258 2.4Ghz Intel Xeon processors and 258GB of RAM. SAPAC expects to achieve a benchmark closer to 700 Gigaflops with further tuning. Hydra is hosted at The University Of Adelaide, who already host a 40 node cluster of Sun e420 machines."

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  1. Australian rules powers of 2^38B or what? by zptdooda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The cluster has a total of 258 2.4Ghz Intel Xeon processors and 258GB of RAM."
    258, hm? Izzat metric or sump'n? Maybe it's like that feet/metres thing with that Mars probe. Or is it like how AMD numbers their chip speeds? Is it a Southern hemisphere localised effect perhaps?

    When someone explains this to me I'm going to feel mighty small. Possibly 1/258 of my current stature.

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    1. Re:Australian rules powers of 2^38B or what? by sould · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dunno about the processors - I dont see any reason why you'd need a power of two for them. Perhaps we've got two arrays of 2^7 processors with a controller processor each (=128+1 *2 = 258)

      But I suspect as far as the ram goes that the 258 gigs is 256 - but counting 1k as 1000 instead of 1024. (or possibly 1M as 10^6 instead of 1048576)

      Haven't you noticed the difference between what a vendor says is the size of a HDD compared to how many gigs you actually get when you put it in your PC?

    2. Re:Australian rules powers of 2^38B or what? by zptdooda · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a matter of fact sir I did:
      - read through the whole linked article
      - opened a spreadsheet and tried to figure it out a couple of ways (failed miserably - it's been a long day)
      - searched for more information but mostly just found photographs and old presentations

      258=129*2 . Ah, yes I see now.

      Thanks for pointing out one of my character flaws though. Not laziness, but can't put 129 and 2 together.

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    3. Re:Australian rules powers of 2^38B or what? by OneArmedMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *It is an IBM 1350 Linux cluster with 126 compute nodes (xSeries 335), 1 head node (xSeries 335), 1 storage node (xSeries 345) and 1 managment node (xSeries 345).*

      126 Nodes + 1 Head Node + 1 Storage Node + 1 Management Node = 129 Nodes total

      129 Nodes total * 2Gb ram per node = 258Gb ram for the cluster

  2. Is this news? by KFury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to flame or troll, but considering that over 90% of the top 80 came out in the last 30 months, how big a deal is this? Third fastest computer in Australia? Sheesh.

    A computer faster than this is born every two weeks.

    1. Re:Is this news? by PerryMason · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its really nothing huge, but you also need to consider the cost involved. AU$1.7 million is about US$1.1 million. So for about a million US$1 you could get in the top 100 supercomputers in the world.

      Looking at the latest top 500 list this would put it as the third most powerful 'self-made' system in the world. For that reason I think it deserves at least a mention and add the relatively low cost and you've got a /. story.

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  3. GB vs. MB by lingqi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...and 258GB of RAM...

    Is it me or anyone else misread it as "256MB"?

    Actually, misreading it lead me to think about a mainframe at my college, which was an SGI with 12 processors and 512MB of memory.

    The thing is, though - when I first went in the college, we were all like "WOW that's a lot of system resources." When I got out four years later I was carrying that much memory on my laptop...

    breakneck speeds, man.

    However, regardless - (with all due respect) why is this such a big deal that australia limped to #80 on the fastest computer list? didn't other linux clusters break teraflops quite a long time ago? EarthSim was neat because it put THAT much more distance between another country and the US (and nearly nobody saw it coming) - but this seems to me hardly news, besides the possible "one of the fastest computer in australia runs linux," or something...

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  4. Why aren't they using Athlons? by leereyno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It really is too bad they can't use Athlons.

    The per-clock performance on an Athlon is much better than what you'll get from a P4 based Xeon, and that is just on integer. When it comes to floating-point performance a lower clocked Athlon will meet or beat the performance of a higher-clocked P4.

    Right now the only SMP chipset for the Athlons is the 761, which is several years old and lacks dual-channel capability. It also requires the use of registered ECC memory. If the Athlon's had an SMP chipset comparable to the NForce2 or Intel's 775 then it would be a very different story.

    Right now the going rate on pricewatch for an Athlon 3000 is only $10 more than a 2.4 Ghz Xeon, and it would spank that Xeon on floating point which is exactly what is important for a supercomputer.

    I hope that the clustering technology they're using makes good use of SMP systems because if it doesn't then they may very well have misspent their money.

    Lee

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    1. Re:Why aren't they using Athlons? by sjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, Athlon is not faster than the P4 Xeons at double precision floating point. Double precision is frequently required for scientific computing and is used in the Linpack benchmark for the top500.

      The current dual Athlon chipset is the 760MPX. The Intel i7501 is the preferred chipset for dual P4. It supports dual channel ECC DDR ram and the 533MHz FSB. These days, nobody wants non-ECC ram for a top 500 cluster. It's not that much more expensive these days compared to decently rated non-ECC ram.

      Then there's the cost of air conditioning 258 Athlons...

      I'd say they made the right decision.

    2. Re:Why aren't they using Athlons? by MetricT · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We're just a few days from bringing up a 300 processor cluster of the exact same type of computers they are using, so maybe I can shed some light. There are several reasons for picking Xeons over Athlons at the moment.

      1. If your app uses double precision floating point, and you can recompile your app using SSE2, an Intel will easily beat the AMD. AMD does scalar floating point operations faster per clock. Intel does vector flops faster. Most interesting real-world problems use vector flops.

      2. Memory bandwidth. Most chipsets can only deliver a fraction of their theoretical bandwidth. I've seen speed differences of 25% running code on identically configured machines, one having Intel E7500 and the other with a ServerWorks GC-LE (the ServerWorks smokes...) And those are *good* chipsets. I have yet to see an Athlon chipset that wasn't crap.

      3. Managability. The x335's are pretty damned slick. I *love* the built-in KVM switch and remote diagnostics. You can daisy chain north of 21 nodes together (I think 35!) and you just have one cable coming off of them.

      4. Total cost of ownership. Our previous p3 cluster was assembled (before I arrived) from Pricewatch parts. We initially experienced a 25% failure rate on memory, and spend an inordinate amount of time fixing random problems. 40 of the p3 nodes takes more than three times as much administrator time as 160 IBM x335's. Spending an extra $50,000 on good, quality parts is cheaper than hiring a competent sysadmin. Don't "efficient" yourself to death.

      Having said all that, I'm *really* looking forward to Opteron. We're getting some in a week or so. 64 bit + SSE2 support is going hard to beat.

  5. Couple of other details not in the article by lachlancs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The cluster is running IBM Cluster Systems Management, not Beowulf, and is using Myrinet Networking.

  6. Re:if I didn't, someone else would have.... by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's 3 stories tall over an area the size of 4 tennis courts. When you fit that much computing power into a notebook, let me know.

    Jason
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  7. Benchmark and interconnects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They didn't mention which ISL interconnect they were using for the (presumably) Linpack benchmark number of 682 Gigaflops, but it would be interesting to see a full description of their equipment. I run an identical 1350 system, 126 x335's with 2 x345's for management, with a Myrinet (http://www.myri.com) switch and I've been averaging in the low 600's. And IBM signed off on that as being the "practical" maximum for the cluster. Hmm. (Reaching for the phone...)

  8. even more! by golgotha007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    an even more interesting supercomputer!

    Japan's Earth Simulator Center has 10 TB of main memory and the theoretical performance of 40Tflops!

    quite a system and definetely worth checking out.

  9. We've a super computer, yet the CS department sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You mean to say my university has a super computer and I knew nothing about it!

    The real issue though is the uni has a super computer, but yet the Computer Science department's computers are still so crap they are virtually unusable.

    It takes a good couple of minutes to log in with the macs, and If you use one type of mac, it stuffs up your settings for the other ones.

    The Sunrays run painfully slow, and the available programs are so dated it makes doing any serious coding a chore (unless you're the vi type :) ). On top of that, random server crashes are not uncommon, and computers which don't bring back a login prompt when they've been logged out are not fun when you've already got 2x more people than computers trying to finish off that ambiguous assignment you were given.

    The CS Department as a whole is simply crap, but the hardware is unadequate to say the least. That's why I do all my CS work at home. At least the set up SSH properly, which brings me onto my next beef with the Engineering department....

    JC

  10. Supercomputers by [cx] · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When will the speed stop mattering?
    What is the theoretical speed of 0 latency for computations?

    This may seem like a stupid question, but I never heard once in star trek them saying our computer is such and such fast. They must have reached a limit that allowed them almost instant computation.

    So what would that be in our measured terms however primitive they might be in the longterm outcome of our computers?

    10000 Ghz? 1 Million ghz?

    I dont know,
    any biters on this bait?

  11. Re:The irony of it all. by nurightshu · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The truly funny thing here is that you're taking offense to a very thinly-veiled assault on Singapore. The Simpsons episode in question was, if I remember correctly, a direct response to the caning of Michael Fay in Singapore for vandalism. So there was no insult to Australia implied; they were just a convenient beard for a nation with some interestingly draconian laws on vandalizing cars.

    As far as the death penalty goes, it may not be a deterrent to others (I can't say really), but it's certainly a deterrent to the criminal who received the sentence. Sometimes, no matter how great a particular society or gene pool is, it produces a person who simply cannot or will not stop himself or herself from killing other people. In this case, the safest recourse is the permanent removal of this person from any and all societies -- execution is simply the only way to be sure of it. Pathological recidivists aren't the only people who merit death, of course; offenders whose crimes are marked by a particularly heinous brutality should also pay the ultimate price.

    Is this valuing retribution over justice? Perhaps. But at the end of the day, I would rather end one life than endanger an unknown quantity of other, innocent, people.

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  12. Re:The irony of it all. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting
    An American cartoon makes a joke about the Australian government booting a kid in the arse.

    Geez, it was a cartoon. A parody. A caricature. The great thing about the Simpsons is that no group is spared from their biting satire.

    Remember this is the same cartoon that shows that all nuclear workers are inept and cause meltdowns all the time. The same show whose police force can't find sand on a beach, where the male father character spends most of his time drinking in a bar, and school children eat exercise mats for lunch because the school is so poor.

    This is a world that makes fun of Americans. All Texans are gun-toting cowboys. New Yorkers are unapologetically rude. Southerners are incestuous hicks. Californians are beach bums that say "Dude" a lot.

    Other countries are not spared: Europeans are all pony-tail wearing Euro-trash. Canadiens are nice people who will do anything for an American dollar. Koreans are slave driving animators. British people are both rigidly proper and trash-burning soccer hooligans. I mean does anybody really take any of this as fact. No one really believes that Australians punish people by booting them.

    It's unfortunate that you take offense to it, but your generalization of Americans is just the same as the Simpsons generalization of Australians except that theirs was meant to be a parody.

    By the way, American doesn't arm its citizens. We do that ourselves.

    especially in Texas.

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