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Photos from the Surface of Venus
Mean_Nishka writes "I was surprised to learn that the Soviets sucessfully landed a number of probes on the surface of Venus (the probes were given the name 'Venera') in the 70's and early 80's. NASA has a small collection of images from four of the missions. The images aren't much, but offer a stunning view of the surface of Venus. You can view surface photos at this NASA site. Space.com has a great summary of the Venera program here."
At last I have hope that my lost car keys might show up in one of these photos. I've looked everywhere else for them.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Couldn't the Soviets have found a better place to mount their cameras? The pictures are awfuly obstructed, and the camera appears to be aimed at a bad angle.
Brings new meaning to 'disposible spacecraft'
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
I thought everyone knew about these. It's almost like never hearing that Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon. And hey! We've got Space Shuttles now! Or at least had them.
Everyone should know all they can about space exploration. Start at the beginning. Look up the list of early launches (back in the 1960's) to the moon, Venus, and Mars. Find the first closeup. photograph of Phobos ever taken. Learn what happened to the spacecraft. Investigate the technology behind the first photo of the backside of the moon. (a portable film development laboratory and a fax machine!!!). Marvel at the precision landing of a LEM near a Surveyor. Ooogle at the footage of a Ranger crashing into the Moon.
There's a lot of shit out there, and it's important enough that any geek should be ashamed to admit they'd never heard of Venera.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
I thought this was common knowledge. I remember reading about it when I was in elementary school. Still pretty cool, of course, but this isn't some grand secret.
ZFS: because love is never having to say fsck
Chairface (From "The Tick" comics and cartoon) wrote his name on the moon, but apparently The Tick made it all the way to Venus
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
Its like looking through gas fumes, lots of distortion. Add in the fact that its hot enough to melt lead and you have showers of sulfuric acid as well as a dense enough atmosphere to crush a man, its a wonder that with Soviet technology, they landed there and were able to get a few holiday snaps off!
Good thing these craft weren't designed to return. If they had brought back new diseases, we'd be in trouble...we'd have veneral disease.
*sigh*
It seemed to be a good pun before I submitted it...
--jdp Maintainer of VisEmacs
... if you did, you'd remember how the Six Million Dollar Man kicked the venus Probe's ass!
Death Probe, part 1
Death Probe, part 2
The Death Probe!
has said this yet: "In Soviet Russia, Venus takes pictures of you!"
Why not fork?
... life is discovered on Venus in the form of tiny airborn microbes. Russian scientists are now calling it Venera Disease. *bada ching*
Armstrong, Aldrin land on Moon
Kennedy beats Nixon by narrow margin
Allies land on Normandy beach -- D-Day has arrived!
AFAIK, the Soviet lunar probes did not start on a murderous Six Million Dollar Man-style rampage upon returning to earth.
Some things are a little beyond me (and probably most of the slashdot crowd). Example:
"Automatic gain control and logarithmic quantization were used to handle the unknown dynamic range of illumination. The raw image was converted to optical density according to Russian calibration data, then to linear radiance for image processing. It was interpolated with windowed sinc filter to avoid post-aliasing (a "pixilated" appearance), and the modulation transfer function ("aperture") of the camera was corrected with a 1 + 0.2*frequency**2 emphasis. This was then written out as 8-bit gamma-corrected values, using the sRGB standard gamma of 2.2. The bottom image is a digitally in-painted version, using Bertalmio's isophote-flow algorithm."
Okay, serious question here.
Is "Venera" the plural of "Venus?"
Seriously. I wanna know. Because, you know, the plural of "genus" is "genera." If you set aside for a moment the fact that "Venus" is a proper noun, is "Venera" its plural?
Because, you know, it sounds a lot better than "Venuses."
(There's a "penis"/"penera" comment in here someplace, but it's (1) eluding me, and (2) not funny.)
The Soviets had much more success with their Venus probes than with their Mars probes. The reason is that Venus' atmosphere is so thick that a probe practically floats down like it is under water. The top of the probes had a hat-like thingy that acted like a small parachute.
On the flip-side, Mars landings are *still* difficult. It has enough gravity to require carefully timed decents, has wind gusts that can swing probes around, and sharp boulders, yet the atmosphere is not quite thick enough to make parachutes very effective. Mars ate up Soviet probes like Mars Bars, and a US probe also.
Table-ized A.I.
Rocks, sand, dirt, and pebbles. Everywhere probes land they find rocks, sand, dirt, and pebbles. Moon, Mars, Venus, Asteroids, all the same. Time for something more interesting like say glass melted into funny blobs, or rainbow crystals. I suppose I watch too much Holywoodized versions of space.
why venus should be the focus of colonisation efforts, not mars
The US Magellan Mission to Venus returned much larger-scale satellite images using Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and topography and bathymetry as well -- of darn near the whole planet. The SAR images are at a spatial resolution of about 75m, and because the polarisation of the returning radio waves was recorded along with the intensity, a lot more information about the surface material was recovered. Also, the Magellan mission was the most effective NASA mission to date, in terms of GB of data recovered per dollar spent. It was done on a shoestring.
If you read the blurbs by the pitures about the missions, you'll notice that these landers all had very short lives when they landed on Venus. There are rumored to be, and my astronomy teacher claims to have seen, videos of the Soviets using language not "fit for print" as they watched their probe being eaten by the less then friendly atmospere (which contains noticible amounts of the multi-zillions dollar probe-eating compound sulfuric acid.)
Given proper heat/pressure/surface combination you CAN get different refractive indices (though no boundary between them) -- think of mirages+ desert&hl =en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
http://images.google.com/images?q=mirage
Paul B.
For an even more fun site, try Hypothetical Planets by Paul Schlyter. Vulcan, the Earth's second moon, it has it all...
What's up with that big black square on the linked photo?
For every person making a vote based off of research, analysis, and careful consideration of the candidates, you have a guy like this flipping the coin and cancelling out your vote. Why Venus will not be colonized before Mars: 1) Gravity isn't a "big insurmountable". Mars gravity would be just fine for colonists. Venus gravity would make it prohibitively expensive to make orbit. 2) The "solvable" extreme pressure and heat also exists on Jupiter. "Solvable" != economically feasible. How exactly do you propose to "solve" these problems? 3) Venus is not "much more interesting". It's a dead rock. Mars, from the standpoint of history, is much more interesting. 4) You're an idiot. 5) Venus is tidally locked.
A story... on Slashdot... hours old... about probes.... and photos... from the surface of another planet....
....and noones mentioned Uranus yet!?
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE???
I've known this for years, how on earth is this new in any way?
Actually, you pose an interesting question - How would a modern probe made from advanced materials fare?
We've got a little time to finance the construction of one before venus comes back into a good position for launch.
There has been a lot of talk about terraforming Mars. But what do scientists think about terraforming Venus? Venus has at least an Earth-like gravity.
One problem with Venus is that it has a very thick and hot athmosphere composed mostly of carbon dioxide. On the otherhand Mars has a problem of not having an athmosphere thick enough.
*lbrt*
The plural of Venus is Veneres, not Venera. Genus,generis is neuter, and thus has an -a ending for the nominative plural. Venus is not. Thus Venus follows the regular 3rd declension, and has a plural of Veneres.
All neuter plural nominatives in Latin end in -a. This is not the case for any other gender, if I remember correctly.
I believe that section 62 of Allen and Greenough's gives a full description of the declension of such nouns.
Gravity is insurmountable. It is directly related to the mass of the planet. While simulation of gravity by "centrifugal force" may be possible in space-craft it is not remotely practical for planet exploration and habitation. Most medical problems experienced by cosmonauts and astronauts are directly related to weak gravity conditions.
There are two types of planets in our solar systems, small rocky planets and gas giants. Bringing in Jupiter as an analogue to Venus is just plain silly
Solved in the short term by structures that are structurally engineered to resist extreme pressure and heat on the outside while maintaining liveable conditions on the inside. As I noted, the Earth's oceans constitute a valuable test environment for such structures, as does space itself.
Solved in the long term by climate engineering and terra-forming. This is more achievable than changing the mass of the planet.
Highly debatable. For evidence of life on Venus see the recent New Scientist story "Venus' Atmosphere Implies Life" discussed here on slashdot.
The puerile mindset of the poster demonstrated by this ad hominem attack immediately reduces the respect paid to any counter-argument the poster may choose to put up. I was highly reluctant to pay respect to such a comment by replying. I won't do so for any future replies from this poster.
elitist nonsense - pluribus assumes he has a monopoly on careful consideration and rational anaylsis
Of course I don't assume I have any such monopoly. For all you know, I'm the one flipping the coin.
Gravity is insurmountable. It is directly related to the mass of the planet. While simulation of gravity by "centrifugal force" may be possible in space-craft it is not remotely practical for planet exploration and habitation. Most medical problems experienced by cosmonauts and astronauts are directly related to weak gravity conditions.
But lets get back to that careful consideration and rational analysis thing. While you are semantically correct (gravity is a force), you are totally wrong in concluding that, because Venus is close to 1G, it would make it more suitable for colonization. This is where the idiot comment came in...you obviously don't have a clue. Mars having less gravity is not a problem, it's a benefit. Makes it cheaper to exploit.
Most medical problems experienced by cosmonauts and astronauts are caused by micro or 0-gravity, which is a far cry from what they would experience on Mars. Mars has a high enough gravity where there wouldn't be significant bone degeneration.
Your solutions for Venus are non-starters too. "Solved in the short term by structures that are structurally engineered to resist extreme pressure and heat". And for our next trick we'll have matter transporters and phaser beams. Note, you are trying to go through and awful lot of trouble for 1G. It would be easier, safer, and more economical to build a colony at the bottom of the Marianas trench. Or Mars.
The fact that Venus is tidally locked is also a major problem. It rotates exactly once a year. Meaning, for half a year, one side is dark, and the other side is bathed in perpetual light.
It's not only latin neuter plurals that end in -a.
In all indo-european languages, the neuter nominative, vocative and accusative plurals end in -a. Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, German, Polish, Russian etc. It's one of those odd signs that show how closely related these seemingly disparate languages (and many of the people who speak them) really are.
(Of course many Indo-European languages lost the neuter gender anyway -- eg English, French, Persian -- so it doesn't apply to those)
The author of this post asserts his moral rights.
If this probe is supposed to scour Venus and find life, then why would it want't to destroy everything in it's path, including a sentient being able to walk and reason. This is one BAD MUTHER F*CKER probe. Remind me never to get the Russians to design a probe again, except the one in Red Planet.
Venus is hot ... Serena too ... ...
with niiiiceee surface