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The Death of Bluetooth?

Aaron Cherrington writes "Bob Frankston has written an article in which he declares that Bluetooth has failed. The article states that despite the fact it is wireless, it still has all of the limitations of wires. Is it too early to declare the death of Bluetooth, or can we can expect more out of it?"

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  1. its not dead, but close. by ender_wiggins · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a bluetooth headset for the bluetooth sony/ericson phone, and it sucked. i couldnt get more than 15 feet from the phone. It claims 10 meters, but didnt come close. cant imagine much else comming out with it. just get a pda phone with 3g.

  2. Power Consumption by elid · · Score: 4, Informative

    One big benefit of Bluetooth, as one of the user comments on the article's site stated, is it's low-power consumption. So for devices that don't require long distance connections (i.e. keyboard, mouse, cell phone, etc.), Bluetooth is a very convenient technology - WiFi is kinda overkill.

    1. Re:Power Consumption by Ken@WearableTech · · Score: 1, Informative

      Also, the fine print of WiFi devices says to keep the radio about a foot away from your body.

      My BT Headset has 0.0025 Watts of Power
      My CF 802.11b has 0.0100 Watts of Power
      My T68 Phone has 0.87 Watts of Power

      I'll cook my brain with BlueTooth

    2. Re:Power Consumption by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, low-wattage 1mbps range limited 802.11b chipsets have the same kind of power consumption as BT chipsets. They also are similarly priced, have a similar range, and offer comparable bandwidth.

  3. I never even knew it took off! by jlechem · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have never even used a blue tooth enbable device. It all seemed a little flakey to me. Also I've had several friends on mac and windows say they simply couldn't get their device to work and if it did work it would crap out on them all the time.

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  4. *All* the limitations? by TummyX · · Score: 4, Informative

    it still has all of the limitations of wires.

    Except for the *wires* part!

    I have a bluetooth headset that I use with my cellphone and it's much more convenient than corded headsets which almost always get tangled and broken.

    I have about 4 headsets here with the wires torn out of the earpiece which usually results from the wires getting caught on something while I'm running.

    Bluetooth has its place. It's designed for PANs(personal area networks) where WiFi would be way overkill.

  5. The news of Bluetooth's death is premature by meador · · Score: 2, Informative

    The current wave of cell phones supporting bluetooth should pull the standard through. I was recently able to deploy 3 new phones with identical corporate (large) phone books without pulling numbers in by hand OR buying yet another cell adapter OR schleeping down to the verizon store. It was Useful Technology. (tm) I think I may pick up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as test items.

  6. Somebody get this guy a Mac by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got a T68i. It syncs with Entourage on both my Power Mac and my iBook. It acts as a modem for my iBook when I need it. It interacts beautifully with the Address Book app on both Macs, letting me make and take calls and send and receive SMS. It works great with my Plantronics M1000 headset, letting me make and take calls in the car without having to take my eyes off the road, fumble around for the handset, or worry about catching wires on anything. And it does all of these things while still sitting in my pocket.

    Bluetooth may not be perfect in its current incarnation, but it's a damn sight better than keying in all my contacts with a numeric keypad, or having to buy a stupid proprietary cable to connect the phone to anything.

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Somebody get this guy a Mac by Zero+Zero · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second that; I've got a T68i, a PowerBook 12", and Palm's Tungsten T, and they all work beautifully together; you can do all Philly says and more.

      Tap the HotSync icon on the Palm, and the other two devices light up and start syncing information with it. Add to that the ability to do light web browsing on the Palm from anywhere, not just within hotspots, with the phone in your pocket doing the heavy lifting, and you've got got all the info you really need, with you at all times.

      Additionally, shareware programs like Salling Clicker let you control PowerPoint, DVD Player, and iTunes right from the phone; you can even trigger events using a proximity sensor, so that (for example) your email client quits when you walk out of the room.

      It all works, and it works well. Maybe Apple's integration allowed stuff like this to be developed more quickly, but there's no reason one couldn't make this all happen on Windows or Linux as well. Don't confuse poor implementation or application of a protocol on a given platform with its overall failure.

  7. bluetooth vs 802.11 - a vendor's opinion by wfmcwalter · · Score: 4, Informative
    A few years ago (probably three, I think) I did some business with a company who made both solutions and complete products for both proprietary wireless systems and the then-new 802.11 and bluetooth markets (guessing which is left as an exercise). I asked their tech-sales guy which of the latter pair he thought would win, or would they both succeed - "only 802.11" he replied, "without a doubt".

    I responded (as have many slashdotters above) that surely the two weren't for the same task, and thus were surely destined to exist in parallel, in adjacent market sectors. He told me this wouldn't be true, and his explanation went something like this:

    Bluetooth has two main selling points:

    1. it's a far simpler protocol, which means a smaller, cheaper digital side (fewer, smaller, slower, cooler, lower-power parts)
    2. it's lower powered, which means a cheaper analog side (and less power consumption, and thus longer battery life)

    But, he predicted, both of these would be eroded quickly. The former would vanish, he said, when both bluetooth and 802.11 are cost-reduced down to single-chip solutions (which now they mostly are). Sure, the 802.11 chip is bigger than its bluetooth buddy, but the cost-differential is pretty slight.

    The latter would still apply, but he predicted (and it's come true, although not yet productised) that the 802.11 folks would produce a low-power, short-range version.

    So one of Bluetooth's advantages (for its own market) is largely obviated, the latter partially so. Set this against the economies of scale that 802.11 enjoys, and the greatly enhanced oppertunities for interoperation that the dominant standard enjoys, and the "roaming" use of Bluetooth is beaten, resoundingly.

    Bluetooth had two other markets in mind:

    • as a desktop "wire replacement", for keyboards, mice, etc., essentially replacing the many proprietary protocols in that space, and for stuff for which we now use USB. Bluetooth can't beat USB on cost or performance, which leaves only the mouse and keyboard market. Sure, it would be nice if your digital camera or mp3 player would just "see" the PC without your having to hook up some cables, but the cable burden isn't that onerous. Now, 802.11 may be cheap, but I think it'll be a few years yet before I have an 802.11 mouse. So there is a market there for bluetooth, but it's small, and bluetooth isn't compelling enough to displace the proprietary guys there.
    • the true "personal area network", where all the devices I wear interact with one another, and dock to my pc when I sit at my desk. Well, all those devices (PDAs, cameras, cellphones, mp3) have (or are now) converging on a single device (which we call a phone, 'though it is many things besides). This leaves bluetooth with another thin market segment - connecting cellphones to PCs. Again, cheap fast cables, IRDA, and proprietary RF solutions all own this space, and again bluetooth isn't compelling enough to displace them.
    Every product has to answer the same challenge - not "are you useful" but "are you useful ENOUGH".
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  8. Re:It's quite simple.. by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your batteries will die in 20 minutes trying to power a 2-foot link.

    Funny... I get 3 hours out of my Zaurus and it's 802.11b card.

    1.5 if I use the backlight.

    either you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about, or you have a really REALLY crappy pda.

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  9. Re:It's quite simple.. by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Informative
    I believe the power savings come from the fact that bluetooth only transmits about 10 meters at best

    That's precisely the point; the transmitter is lower power, so the batteries last longer.

    Also, bluetooth is much slower, maxing out at around 700kb/s.

    Yes, but WiFi transmits faster, so doesn't transmit as long. Ten times the power and speed for 1/10 of the time is the same power.

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  10. Re:And to your left... by BrainInAJar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Radio waves are much longer than UV, IIRC the spectrum is something like Gamma rays (will penetrate skin, wood, steel... pretty much whatever you throw at it with the exception of some dense elements like lead, and cause all sorts of problems) X-rays (penetrate skin, can cause cancer, not as bad as gamma), UV (penetrates skin, but not far. causes skin cancer, the rest of your body is okay), Visible light (no penetration. no cancer). microwaves (excites water molecules, not much else) and then, we go off to radio waves. radiowaves don't have nearly enough energy to do anything at all to you, particularly slice apart DNA (which is where the cancer problems come from)

    These aren't gamma ray devices we're talking about, not even UV devices... they're long wave devices, which are harmless