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How to Become a Patent Millionaire

An anonymous reader writes "SF Gate has an article about people who patent ideas for things they have no intentions of building, hoping to license technology or block competitors from doing something similar. As if the patent system weren't screwed up enough already."

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  1. Quick! by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somebody patent that!

    1. Re:Quick! by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Funny
      if you're looking for a bad idea to patent, troll halfbakery.com

      fine ideas culled from there include:

      1. prescription windshields
      2. the usb coffee mug
      3. encrypted sign language
      4. and my favourite, time sensitive 3d shading!
    2. Re:Quick! by mike_mgo · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'd be so wealthy Bill Gates would be serving me coffee in French maid outfit by now.

      I don't think I ever want to be that rich.

    3. Re:Quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      I may get modded down for this, but:

      You, sir, are a JACKASS, you must work for $C0.

      1. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of patents
      2. Whine about the penisbirds stealing your grits
      3. Toss your naked & petrified Natilie Portman into GOATSE

      5. Take off every zig for great *AA
      6. There is NO step six!
      7. ????
      8. PROFIT!

  2. This is why by fudgefactor7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need a department that has the power to review and revoke a patent. If you're not going to produce what you patent, or if your patent is overly broad (or just plain stupid) it should be revoked.

    1. Re:This is why by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We do. It's called the US Patent and Trademark Office.

      Problem is, it doesn't work as well as it should.

    2. Re:This is why by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course, there are legitimate cases for filing a patent without means to produce the product. The inventor may not have the resources, and must have the patent in hand to round up financial backing. Where do you draw the line as to what is being developed and what is not?

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    3. Re:This is why by ender81b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We do.. it's called the court system. That is the problem.. the Patent Office grants overly broad (and stupid) patents on the basis that the courts are more qualified to deal with the problem than the patent system. That and not granting a patent can probably lead to some bad things (read: people can sue the patent office).

      Stupid.. yes but what can you do? At least patents run out after a few years..

    4. Re:This is why by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where do you draw the line as to what is being developed and what is not?

      "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, is the plaintiff a bona fide inventor, or just some jerk trying to get in the way of progress?"

      We've got a system for deciding issues of fact. I say we use it, and give the jury the authority to bitch-slap somebody like Fernandez.

      -jcr

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    5. Re:This is why by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The courts decide on the legitimacy of patents now. It costs everyone tons of money, and wastes lots of time. Hauling every inventor, or even worse, every patent in front of the court system will render the "patents encumber progress" argument moot.

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    6. Re:This is why by acroyear · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. Grant the patent and somebody else has to go to court. Deny the patent and YOU have to go to court...

      Sorry, but PTO workers are gov-scale paid workers...there ain't enough in their salary to deal with all those lawyers. Better to pass the patent and pass the buck.

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    7. Re:This is why by isa-kuruption · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An inventor may not want to produce the item him/herself, but to license the patent to others to produce them.

      Qualcomm, for instance, does exactly this. Qualcomm makes most of it's money from licensing it's patented technologies to other companies to actually produce and distribute the technology.

      Is there anything wrong with this? No.... Qualcomm doesn't have any costs associated with maintainence or manufacturing overhead of a factory, so more money goes into research.

    8. Re:This is why by EggMan2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you could only patent what you could produce yourself, the only patents would come from huge corporations. Why do you think IBM has 30,000 patents?

      The Tradmark and Patenet Office (I think) does the review of all patents. I agree that overly broad should be revoked. -But stupid? Ahh let 'em have a stupid patent. (Dog ear-warmers comes to mind)

      The point is that patents allow anyone to invent. If we left invention to the "experts" or those that can afford to produce a prototype, we will be left with the big major coperations running our lives more than before.

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    9. Re:This is why by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Wright Brothers tried to patent the notion of powered flight.

      When Glenn Curtiss decided to use hinged ailerons instead of wing warping to provide roll control on his aircraft, the Wright Brothers tried to sue him for patent infringement.

      So, you've unintentionally demonstrated how harmful patents can be to improving the state of the art. It is not practical to build large airplanes with wing warping (at least, not with current materials) but ailerons work just great. Had it not been for the US Government nationalizing the Wrights' patents, the state of the art would have been set back by decades.

      How can you patent something that happens in nature all the time?

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  3. In other news... by carl67lp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amazon and Microsoft announced joint patents of a new concept: "A grant made by a government that confers upon the creator of an invention the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time."

    They're expected to make billions off the royalties.

  4. OK, I think I'll try to win this card game by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm patenting the process of obtaining patents on patenting the idea of patents being used to become wealthy without actually doing any work.

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  5. Patent Blockers or Inventors? by kevlar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the definition of an inventor. There are many patents which require large amounts of capital to produce. What some inventors will do is patent the idea then pitch it to companies hoping they will purchase the rights to the patent and produce the product.

    The entire design of patents is to prevent someone from bulding something you claim as yours. This article just points out the obvious.

  6. So? by aborchers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's wrong with inventing something and then charging someone else to develop and market it? Think of it as being an independent R&D department.

    What's wrong with the patent system is people getting patents for things that should not be patented, not that you don't have to build the item yourself to enjoy royalties from its invention.

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  7. Invention Promotion Firms by Artagel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are quite a number of companies that perpetuate fantasies that the ordinary person can make a lot of money by getting a patent on an idea, and then marketing it to companies. Things go so bad that Congress passed a law to control these invention promotion firms. A form for reporting abusive forms of these services can be found at http://www.uspto.gov/web/forms/2048.pdf

    (It is sad to see people who paid $10,000 to have a really bad idea for a dishwasher written up in 10 pages of form paragraphs, and the promotion activity be limited to being told that GE and Whirlpool make dishwashers.)

    The reason for the reporting that is required is that many of these companies had never had a patent issue and be licensed to anyone.

    Sure, there are the rare exceptions, I know of a couple personally, but for each of those there are 100 people who shelled out $10,000 for pretty much nothing.

  8. WTF? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Interesting
    people who patent ideas for things they have no intentions of building, hoping to license technology Isn't that one of the legit puposes of a patent? Pretend that while playing in my kitchen, I invent a new soda flavor. I have two options on what to do with this

    1) Start Lord Slepnir beverages. I'll need to scrounge around for startup capital, get a factory, distribution, find a way to market it, etc. If I fail, I have to declare bankrupcy, and wind up having my house and car repoed. If I end up making a lot of money off of it, I have about 7 years to grow enough to compete with Coke and Pepsi, who will push their own knockoff of this flavor as soon as the patent runs out.

    2) I contact coke or pepsi and tell them I have a new flavor. They give me a lump of cash, they take all the risk (I'm not ruined if it fails), they market it, and I get a small royality check to live off.

  9. What makes this difference from... by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Interesting


    SF Gate has an article about people who patent ideas for things they have no intentions of building, hoping to license technology or block competitors from doing something similar

    How about people who buy land they have no intention of building on, hoping to sell it to others while blocking other people from building on this land?

  10. Funny little quote by micromoog · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article:

    He cited the standards of Wi-Fi (wireless fidelity) technology, in which transmission speeds have been rapidly advancing during the past three years from 11 megabits per second in 1999 to more than 50.

    I was aware that the "fi" in "hi-fi" stands for "fidelity", but I don't think the same can be assumed here . . .

  11. Lemelson and the bar code by snarkh · · Score: 4, Informative
    Lemelson had to wait years before collecting royalties for some of his ideas, such as the bar code.

    Lemelson did not invent the bar code. In fact he engaged in practices very similar to the ones described in the article. His patent was an extremely generic one for machine vision applications, which according to his interpretation covered bar code readers. He was one of the people who never implemented any of their ideas, preferring to wait for other people to reinvent them and then ask for royalties.

  12. give the patent away by saladpuncher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can I patent something that is going to make some huge corporations tons of money and then release it to the public? Basically that would mean that now no one has an exclusive patent on it and everyone benefits. When Salk invented the polio vaccine I think he either refused to patent it or he patented it and then gave it away so everyone could manufacture it. He didn't want to profit off of the pain and suffering of others. Cool guy.

    1. Re:give the patent away by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Otis Elevator Company is the other classic story -- Mr Otis invented the safty brake (which automatically catches an elevator if the cable breaks) and patented the idea. He then gave free license to use the invention to any and all competitors, since it would save lives.

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  13. Patents vs. Unemployment by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't see why this problem can't be fixed. I mean, when I lose my job and I file for unemployment one of the requirements is that I need to look for a job. Sure it can be a token effort, but I have to keep a log and report that hey, at least I tried. If I don't get a job within a certain amount of time, the benefits run out.

    So why can't the Patent Office do something similar? Would it be so hard to ask, "Gee, how's that invention coming along? Have a prototype yet?" and after a certain amount of time, just revoke the patent because work hasn't been done on it yet. This might actually stimulate some growth once the patent is back up for grabs. Perhaps even offer it up at auction. Then companies could be compelled to make good on the patent application because of the captial investment to get it at auction.

  14. Legal consistency by El · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see now... if I register a domain name with the intent of selling it to someone else instead of using it myself, I'm "cybersquating" and ICANN will forcibly take the domain name aways from me. However, if I register an idea with the intent of selling to someone else instead of using it myself, the US Patent Office will assist me in extorting money out of anyone who wishes to sell a product based on a simular idea? I find this curiously inconsistent.

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  15. Talk about destroying inovation!! by d3faultus3r · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Now you can't design something without worrying that another company will hear of its existence and patent it with no intention of developing it.

    Whatever claims people had that the current copyright and patent system work are refuted by this.

    Companies could make their entire business collecting royalties from patents they will never use. The company would never need to produce a product to profit, relying instead on revenues from lawsuits and royalties. The company would probably only consist of Marketing and legal departments with a few inventors to make it look vaguely legitimate.

    Oddly enough, this report focused on small companies doing this. I would think that large companies with powerful market research divisions and possibly knowledge of industrial espionage would benefit more from this than a small corporation.


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  16. Re:I don't have a problem with it by the+gnat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's wrong with that?

    The way patents are meant to help the common man (Horatio Alger version): lone genius working out of an attic in Pittsburgh invents new UltraWidget. He gets a patent for it, then takes it around to the major widget manufacturers and offers to sell them his invention. WidgetWorks, Inc. realizes that this is the next stage in the evolution of the widget, and lone genius retires to Key West.

    The way patents are abused: lone sleazo lawyer in Menlo Park looks through industry rags for future trends in widgets. He patents rough concepts for UltraWidgets, TurboWidgets, Widget64, and WidgetXP. WidgetWorks, Inc., which is busy actually fucking innovating and employs engineers rather than lawyers, is working on their own next-generation widget. As soon as it appears that WidgetWorks is going to corner the market, lawyer shoves his patents up their ass. WidgetWorks pays up, lawyer now has hot tub full of Benjamins.

    This is not the way patents are supposed to work. Patents are supposed to "promote the progress of science and useful arts", and protect inventions. Technology will advance without these fuckwads filing preemptive patents, and the effect of their activities is actually to slow innovation down. Companies have to waste precious resources covering their ass lest some IP law firm take them from behind. Hell, the lawyers in the article even admit that they're using patents explicitly as a competitive tool, rather than to protect their own investment and hard work.

    Blame for this pathetic state of affairs can partly be laid at the feet of IBM, since they pretty much pioneered the use of patents to pre-emptively squash a competitor.

  17. Violates the Constitution... by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The purpose of patents is "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. . ."

    The practice of pre-emptive patenting does not "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts."

    Therefore, if current law permits this practice, then Congress has a clear responsibility to change the laws.

  18. Re:jury by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about simply enforcing existing rules about things like harassing litigation? If judges slapped contempt of court fines on every lawyer who tried to drain his opponents funding (and at punitive levels) then we'd see these tactics disappearing. Big corporate industry group goes after small guy who states online that they bought the product and it didn't work? See if they do that again after getting a $50 million contempt of court fine. Big companies can afford to just throw $50k at a trial knowing that the little guy will sign anything to make it go away.

  19. Part of the problem.. by Kwil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..as I understand it, is that the PTO gets more money if it actually grants the patent then if it refuses it.

    Considering that it gets squat for federal money these days, you can see how this situation leads to the patenting of crap-on-a-stick and so forth.

    So to fix this, do it the other way around. Charge slightly more should the patent examiner determine the invention is "obvious" and a lot more should it be determined that there is prior art.

    I'd even be willing to give the examiners a direct incentive should they find prior art. (But set up an appeals process if you do that) This would discourage companies and individuals from patenting utter crap, and strongly encourage patent applicants to do a good search of the prior art, rather then (as now) choosing to avoid looking (because if you don't see it, you can say you didn't know)

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  20. What's wrong with patents: by panda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "You don't have to build it," Ferrell said. "You just have to conceive it. By filing a couple of patents, you essentially have co-opted the standards road map. Anybody who wants to go from G to X has to get through your toll road."

    That quote, from a patent Attorney, says all anyone needs to know about why patents on non-tangible things are bad. If you're going to patent something, I think you should have to build it before you're allowed to apply for a patent. If it can't be physically built, then it can't be patented.

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