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Confronting Address Space Hijackers

Tawn writes "There's a great story on SecurityFocus about hijackers taking over large allocations of IPv4 space with forged documents and false business fronts. Los Angeles County and some big multinationals have had /16's pulled out from under them in the last few months, and used to inject spam. ARIN and network operators are trying to get a handle on the problem. The owner of a webhosting company that wound up with L.A. County's /16 called it 'borrowed space,' and said he paid $500 for it to a guy he met online."

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  1. PROFIT! by rkz · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Start a fake business

    2) forge some documents

    3) steal more IPs than the whole of china has

    4) sell to spammers

    5) PROFIT!!!!

    (note, ??????? step not required)

  2. Uh huh, yep by Hamstaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Right... "borrowed". And that "guy I met in the van in the back alley" was just letting me "borrow" that plasma screen TV for $500.

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    1. Re:Uh huh, yep by abigor · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you drink a monkey?

  3. Hijackers? by stanmann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    YOu know, as evil as this may be, Sitting on that quantity of Unused IP adresses is just as criminal. Perhaps Once they get the addresses back, they should consider selling or renting them out to raise some funds since California claims to be having budget problems. I'm sure some of these guys would be happy to put in a bid.

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  4. A little curious. by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Funny

    How the hell can't you be a little suspicious of somebody offering you a Class C for $500 on the condition that you only use a small part of it? What, did it fall off a truck?

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    1. Re:A little curious. by loucura! · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean you've never found a Class C in the middle of the street? I guess I should stop selling those things... but $500 buys a lot of beer...

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    2. Re:A little curious. by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      > but $500 buys a lot of beer...

      Dude, you PAY for beer? I heard that there's a 'Linux' beer that's free...you should check it out.

    3. Re:A little curious. by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Classful routing terminology is still a useful form of shorthand. If you tell me that MIT has a Class A block, I know immediately that they have a network space the size of Asia, but if you tell me they've got an 8 bit block, I have to pause and think about it for a half second.

      As for Cisco teaching classful addressing, that's justifiable. If the terminology is still in use among network folk, Cisco isn't doing a good job if they certify people who don't know how to communicate with their peers. Also, I can tell you that the CCNA exam did have several CIDR questions on it. Certifying someone as a network tech means testing all the knowledge they should know to do their job well. Since classful routing is still in the wild, network techs should know how to deal with it.

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  5. Someone he met online... by mingot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The owner of a webhosting company that wound up with L.A. County's /16 called it 'borrowed space,' and said he paid $500 for it to a guy he met online.

    That's like getting stopped with a tractor trailer full of stolen goods and saying you bought it from some homeless guy on 82nd for 30 bucks.

  6. This is why we need IPv6 by wfberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh.. no it's not..

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  7. Does LA county even need a public /16? by realdpk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Judging by the article, LA county was using that /16 for internal routing only. I understand that they probably got it when it was easy to get, but do they really still need it? On that note, how much IP space that is allocated is actually in use? I heard something like 25%..

    1. Re:Does LA county even need a public /16? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Think that's bad?

      Eighteen companies currently hold Class A allocations: Apple, AT&T, BBN Planet, Computer Sciences, Compaq, Ford, Eli Lilly, GE, Hewlett-Packard, Interop Show Network, IBM, MIT, Mercedes Benz, Merck, PSINet, Prudential Securities, Stanford University and Xerox.

      Mercedes Benz needs 16777216 addresses??!!

      Oh wait, I shouldn't include the broadcast addresses .0 and .255.255.255, so that's only 16777214 addresses. My bad. Seems reasonable.

    2. Re:Does LA county even need a public /16? by HaeMaker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Allocaitons are made for organizations that need globally unique IP addresses, not necessarily connected to the Internet.

      IBM owns 9.0.0.0/8, none of it is connected to the Internet. They use globally unique addressing in their internal network for private connections to other organizations, without fear of collisions.

      This is typically no longer done and the IANA recommends you use a random range from private IP space from now on, except in rare cases.

    3. Re:Does LA county even need a public /16? by crow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Note that that list is old, listing both HP and Compaq as having Class A networks. Does this mean that HP now has two class A blocks? Or is the list old, with much of that space having been reallocated?

    4. Re:Does LA county even need a public /16? by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does it make sense for some people to have multiple mensions while some others can't find a place to live?
      Does it make sense for a small group people to hug a huge chunk of the worlds, while the others starve?
      But hey, that's how the world works, for now and the foreseeable future, anyways.

  8. Wot, you mean that ... by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Funny

    That Class A block that I bought on ebay from the guy from Nigeria who spammed me via SMS isn't legit? I better quickly cancel that wire transfer of money to his cousin, you know, the finance minister until I can check out his story about the president dieing in a plane crash and leaving all that money that he was going to invest in helping Quark get its native OSX version done.

  9. Signed communications to the registries by Malc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It won't guarantee that this won't happen, but signed communications would help. Private keys can be stolen though, but I suspect that takes more effort. A public key should be included in the registry application, or with whois record, or in some other private DB at the registry. I guess this would be the opposite of PGP encrypted mail where the private key is used to decrypt rather than encrypt.

  10. It would only be fair.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That this guy would end up in jail and that big guy in the cell next door merely "borrows" his ass for a pack of cigarettes.

  11. I've got an easy solution to THIS one... by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Charge the recipients of the space with fraud, theft of property and services and possibly forgery as well and send them to jail for a long time. They in effect comissioned the theft of that space and should be held responsible.

    The legwork involved in assuring that a block of IPs is legitimate should be fairly simple and part of the network administrator's job. We're not talking about end-users here, we're talking about networking professionals acting on behalf of a corporation. If they don't do their job properly they should be held responsible for that failure, especially when the transaction should raise suspicions as these would.

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  12. The point? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's the point of stealing IPs to spam? Haven't these guys ever heard of wardriving for IPs?

    These guys really need some serious technical help...

    (Yes, not meant seriously for those law/spam enforcement types out there!)

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  13. I submitted this... by robslimo · · Score: 5, Informative

    a couple of weeks ago. Not this particular article, but a little write-up with some nice links (rejected, of course).

    Links:
    In your face hijacking

    Current list of possible bogus bgp routes

    Oh, well.

  14. Legit IP space should be easier to get by sjhwilkes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ARIN and their members made this problem for themselves. If legit space was easier to get - you currently need to prove you have 16000 hosts. Then people would be more traceable and accountable.

    Spammers are now in a very tight spot in that their address space gets blacklisted faster than ever before so they have to keep changing - at the same time they're still making good money to use to bribe people (by paying way more for bandwidth than is normal) into taking their BGP advertisments for space of dubious origin.

    The old swamp space is never going to be reclamed just because legally it would be such a pain to do so - it would make more lawyers rich, without solving the problem because there will always be space left that can be hijacked if only for a shorter and shorter time.

    Simon

  15. It's OK... by hawthorne · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can buy 10.x.x.x from me if you like - only $0.01 per IP address

  16. I'll go one better by SquadBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have a whole bunch of 10.0.0.0/8 address spaces for sale. :)

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  17. Re:Hijackers? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Considering that at MIT, Pop machines and Coffee Makers have IP's, they just might be using a reasonable amount of their /8

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  18. Re:Hijackers? by koh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sitting on that quantity of Unused IP adresses is just as criminal.

    I do agree with you here, but... ever heard about natural selection ?

    IPv4 addresses have been designed in a time when there were at most a dozen people expecting IP to be used by more than a million users in the future. Just like the w2k bug (failed to) prove, old things should eventually die so that new ones can take the free slot. Yup, just like spammers should die so that other people may use those IP slots, but I digress.

    IPv6 is here and would resolve the problem. This requires a huge switch however, and people won't be ready for it unless natural selection proves IPv4 hopelessly doomed.

    So let spammers accumulate IPv4 addresses just a little more ;)

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  19. Re:LA County needs a whole class B subnet? by capnjack41 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My old university has all of 149.150.x.x. There's about 10,000 students & faculty, and each machine used to occupy a single public IP. Now, they have several private VLAN's (10.x.x.x), so now only every building has an IP (well, a few addresses). So between regular Internet access, plus servers, etc., there's probably a couple hundred IP's in use...out of 65534! Aces.

    I'd also like to know if companies like IBM, GE, and such really use all of their class A's; or of the US DoD really uses their multiple class A's (at least 3 that ARIN would let me check before they started denying my frequent requests -- that's at least 50 million addresses)

  20. Re:Tony Soprano will be hiring you! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You know, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to that subnet..."

  21. Solution by LittleGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Arm DNS Registrars with guns and tazers

    Ask users to take off shoes before mass e-mailing

    Round up geeks and other suspicious technical people as 'persons of interest' to secure undisclosed locations...

    Wait, these guidelines are from Homeland Security.

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  22. Confronting these hijackers - Daytime TV style by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 5, Funny
    You know, sometimes I think the answer to "confronting" these pigs is to not use the courts, but use Jerry Springer.

    Jerry: Today on our show, we have people who have stolen IP addresses to send SPAM. Why did you do it Larry?

    Larry: Jerry, it's an addiction I have. I just feel the need to tell everyone that by sending money to my friend in Nigeria, they can get a stimulating diplomia and have investment opportunities in appendage lengthening. Is that so wrong? Audience boos.

    Jerry: Not everyone agrees with you. Let's bring out a system administrator whose IP you hijacked.

    SysAdmin: Appears from backstage. Upon seeing Larry, rushes him fists raised. You stupid #$@&! I'll kill you! I'll kick your fsking @$$! Throws chair. Is restrained by large bald stagehand. You stole my IP! I'll get you!

    1. Re:Confronting these hijackers - Daytime TV style by lmfr · · Score: 5, Funny
      "You stole my IP!"

      SCO is really getting into our heads...

  23. Re:US bias, anyone? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    DaimlerChrysler (Mercedes Benz is a nameplate, not a company) is most assuredly a US company, it's also a German company.

    And I'd suspect that they got the /8 via Chrysler (Which was heavily involved with DARPA at the time IP was being rolled out, primarily for the M1 Abrams program).

    But unlike many of the IT companies, they have a reduced need for IP space. BBNPlanet, AT&T, PSINet are all providers, and IBM and HP (As well as Compaq) both maintain huge semi-private networks.

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  24. Re:255x255!!!?? by shamilton · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's just completely wrong. It could be as many as 65534 usable addresses. Networks certainly needn't be on octet boundaries.

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  25. You too can have your own /16.. by Elk_Moose · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Get Yours Now on Ebay!

    Don't know if it legit or not but here is one on Ebay now :) Hurry and get your own 65535 addresses!

  26. Re:Hijackers? by shamino0 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Agreed. They should return all the unused IP space for re-allocation.

    It's not that simple.

    The way I understand it, you can't just give back some of your addresses. You have to give back the entire block and then go through the whole lengthy application process to get a new block. Which means there will be a significant amount of time during which you have no addresses. And when you finally do get them, you'll have to renumber your network, because you won't get back addresses from the block you gave up. And if ARIN decides that you don't actually "need" as many addresses as you want to keep, you're SOL.

    And if your network grows, you have to go through all the red tape of justifying your request for another/larger block.

    The fact that you did the internet a service by surrendering a lot of unused addresses in the first place doesn't figure into thesedecisions.

    For anybody who has a legacy class-B (or even class-A) block, it just doesn't pay to go through all the work, only to find yourself screwed in six months when you find that your new allocation wasn't big enough.

  27. Spammers, scorched earth and stolen subnets by Xeger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article raises an interesting point. When a spammer successfuly hijacks address space and uses it to send spam, his IPs are naturally going to appear on various blacklists before too long.

    The problem isn't limited to blacklists, either. Bayesian spam filters will quickly learn to recognize Received-From headers bearing the stolen IPs. Collaborative hashing filters will also be affected, to a degree.

    So...the spammer steals a subnet, uses it to spam for awhile, and then is either shut down or abandons his activities. He leaves behind a zone of "scorched earth" -- addresses that are effectively cannot host a mail transfer agent. It is now the job of the next legitimate recipient to clean up the spammer's mess. He might not even notice anything's wrong until half his emails have gone missing and the other have are bounced with mysterious messages. Having identified the problem, it is now up to him to track down various blacklists and get his addresses removed. The damage done to the Bayesian and collaborative filters simply cannot be undone. Mail will be lost.

    To me, this is the real tragedy. Once an address block has been used for spamming, it's effectively ruined until someone inherits it and puts a great deal of time and effort into restoring its good reputation.

  28. In related news... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Executives at SCO, the RIAA, Amazon and other large companies sufered public embarrisment when it was annouced that IP was being stolen and they rushed home to see if they owned any of it to sue over.

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