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FTC Wants Secret Spam Investigation Powers

PingXao writes "Amidst the various anti-spam efforts underway in Washington, the FTC surprised lawmakers by saying they need to be able to secretly investigate the worst-offending spammers, according to a Washington Post article. I'm generally against government secrecy, but quietly investigating spammers isn't as bad as secret courts and arrests. Is this acceptable, or another mis-step down the slippery slope?"

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  1. Secrets can be good by briancnorton · · Score: 3, Informative

    The government does a LOT of things without telling you about them. Secrets allow important things to be done, and for bad people to be caught without knowing that they are being chased. It's called the element of suprise. Advertise an anti-spam solution, and a clever spammer will figure out a way around it before it even hits the market. Monitor the spammer before they think anybody is watching, and you may be able to catch them doing bad things without covering their tracks. I say secrets are for my own good. Go Feds.

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  2. Re:Explain this... by taernim · · Score: 4, Informative

    Incorrect. As the article states, this is for Washington, where spam IS illegal if it has fake headers, etc.

    So I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to spy on them. The people don't go to court when we sue them and they don't pay up when they lose... so if the government wants to help stop the problem, I'm all for it! (And yes, I'm a Washington citizen too)

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  3. Re:It's the internet by retto · · Score: 3, Informative

    For a subpoena to work, you have to know something about the person you want to drag into court. I've known of some spammers that have done a very good job of concealing themselves and are quite adapt at disappearing rather quickly.

    This isn't designed to spy on an amway salesman that CC's everyone in his contact list, but the advanced spammer that does a good job covering their tracks.

    And just wait...I'm sure Ashcroft will come out with a terrorism/spam link soon.

  4. Re:Secretly investigate? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 4, Informative

    As it stands now, yes. They are required to notify the subject of investigation.

  5. Re:Explain this... by dubiousdave · · Score: 4, Informative
    FTC's purpose from http://www.ftc.gov
    To ensure the smooth operation of our free market system, the FTC enforces federal consumer protection laws that prevent fraud, deception and unfair business practices.

    From what they say in the article, it seems that are trying to track down people who are, in fact, committing the crime of fraud. The article also says they are asking for the anti-spam powers to be modelled after the powers they already use to fight fraudulent telemarketers.

    If these secret investigative powers are harmful, it seems that it's a little late. They already have them and are simply attempting to apply the same standards to electronic commerce that are applied to telecommerce.

    It seems highly unlikely that the FTC will be sending brute squads to our houses, even those of us who send out lots of email pretending to be hot teenage girls. Provided, of course, that in said e-mails you are not trying to sell your used panties as a penile enlargement/cancer treatment tool, particularly if you are actually a fat, balding, middle-aged man.

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  6. Re:another mis-step down the slippery slope by cpeterso · · Score: 3, Informative


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  7. Why investigate secretly? by asscroft · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't see why they need to be more secret than they can already be legally. Spammers are a pretty blazen bunch doing MASSIVE mailing. That shuold be easy to detect without special powers.

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  8. Re:I have a hard time with it.. by zurab · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Secret investigation" powers aside, the commisioners quoted don't seem to get it - spammers shouldn't need to be forced to "honour remove requests" - spammers need to be forced to shut down completely.


    If you read the article, that was in reference to e-mail marketers since there is a legal and moral way to simultaneously be an e-mail marketer (e.g. to people who have explicitly or willingly subscribed to receive special offers from specific sources) and not be a spammer.

    If I didn't ask to be added, I shouldn't have to ask to be removed.


    Fair point but a different topic altogether.
  9. follow your nose, toucan sam. by moogla · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you read a previous article about netblock hijacking, the methods by which spammers operate my themselves be illegal. These are the crimes which by investigating, the FTC may expose and leverage for the FBI to bring them to trial (wire fraud, etc.)

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  10. Re:another mis-step down the slippery slope by stephenbooth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very often spammers do break the law. If you RTFA you'll see that the 53 spammers already prosecuted were prosecuted under existing fraud laws.

    The FTC has used anti-fraud laws and a database of millions of spams to prosecute some 53 spammers over the past few years, but FTC commissioners said they need additional powers to go after the worst offenders. Because many spammers close up shop and hide their assets once they realize they are being targeted, FTC agents should be allowed to investigate them in secret for a limited period of time, commissioners said, or at least delay notification. FTC agents should be able to review spam complaints amassed by Internet providers and given greater latitude to go after spammers who hijack others' accounts, they said.

    I have recently heard that US legislation bars the sending of emails with spoofed From:/Sender: adderesses, i.e. you can only send emails with addresses that belong to you or where you have been given explicit permission to do so.

    Police, FBI and other agencies already conduct secret investigations, constrained by the 4th ammendment. Why should the FTC not operate similarly in investigating crimes that fall under it's demesne?

    Stephen

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