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Profile of a Hard-Core Gamer

brettlbecker writes "The NYTimes is running a story on Richard L. Stenlund, or, as players of MMORPG Anarchy Online undoubtedly know him, Thedeacon. Quote from the article: "Thedeacon is a celebrity. Mr. Stenlund, meanwhile, feels trapped - trapped in a town too far from big cities where big things happen, trapped in a hand-to-mouth existence, trapped in a mean little culture of cheap thrills and fast-food television." Infamy, perversion, bankruptcy, virtual protests, online counseling. How much do *you* accomplish in 7 hours a day?"

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  1. Is it surprising? by foxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, this is much of the draw of an online community such as an MMORPG-- it doesn't matter if you're from Podunk, where there's not even a stoplight and you know all hundred people in town, or if you live in the great metropolis where you don't even know the name of the looney across the hall. You can step out of the world you live in and into one of your own choosing.

    Should we be surprised if this is a little addictive? Should we be surprised if people want to spend more time in the world they want to instead of the world they're forced to?

    -JDF

  2. A lvl 200 character... by BobRooney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and a buck-fifty buys you a cup of coffee.

    I'm a fan of the MMORPG genre, but while it does provide a nice, temporary escape from mundane every-day life, in the end it IS truly a virtual (read, not real) world. Games like Everquest, DAOC, Shadowbane, AO, UO, etc. are great ways to kill some time and be relatively sociable at the same time, but if you took the average gamer's log of online gaming hours and re-invested those same hours in something like The University of Pheonix Online, they would have a Ph. D or two by now. It's easy to lose sight if reality, particularly when reality isn't too pleasant. Unfortunately we all should be wary of just how much our time is being skewed toward a Virtual existence instead of an actual one.

    1. Re:A lvl 200 character... by untaken_name · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Games like Everquest, DAOC, Shadowbane, AO, UO, etc. are great ways to kill some time and be relatively sociable at the same time, but if you took the average gamer's log of online gaming hours and re-invested those same hours in something like The University of Pheonix Online, they would have a Ph. D or two by now.

      Sure, if *any* college cost 12.95 a month for access limited only to available time. Of course, since a degree from UPO costs around 50 grand....
      it would only take you around 3861 months to pay for it with the same money you're spending on AO.
      How is a person playing a ton of games any different from people that read 30+ books a month? Aren't they spending all their time in a virtual universe too? You know, *they* could just get a degree instead....of course, I guess it doesn't matter that each individual person makes their own choices. *You* think time would be better spent a certain way, so if someone doesn't spend it that way, they are 'losing sight of reality.'
      Perhaps the millions of TV junkies, game addicts, book freaks, gardening fools, etc don't *want* a University of Phoenix Online degree. Maybe they don't *want* to substitute whatever *your* personal choice would be. Maybe they *like* to spend their time how *they* choose to. When you start telling people how to spend their time, even if you think it's 'better,' we get a little closer to living in a country where an elite few impose their will on everyone. You'd probably be up in arms about someone telling you you had to drop out of school to watch tv, or just sit around....but the principle is the same. I fear people who say they know what's 'best for everyone' because they don't know *me* and I may not agree with them. Not that it matters, but I play video games, watch TV, watch movies, read about 15 books a month, and build things out of wood, metal, and plastic for fun. I'm not a rabid gaming fanboy, but I don't think games are any less valid as entertainment or escape than any other form of entertainment. You can learn from just about any activity, even watching TV.

  3. Because it is computers it is wierd. by will_die · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they guy just sat in a chair, drank beer, and watched sports during the time he plays the game, he would be considered normal.
    Throw in that he players games on his computer and he is considered wierd.

  4. I don't get it by Samus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get it this guy is spending 7 hours a day diverting himself playing a game. Then he turns around says his life sucks and he has no money. If he spent that 7 hours a day in the real world improving himself he just might make a decent living and not live life hand to mouth. Though I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the guy. He ran a internet pc store and failed miserably then decides to flee reality. Unfortunately for him reality is catching up and now he decides he should flee to Las Vegas. He'll wind up in the same situation he is in now just a different city. And you know what? He'll probably still be playing AO when he should be improving his situation.
    Call this flamebait if you want its just what I have seen time and time again.

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  5. Re:who's to say? by Surak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intrestingly enough the terms 'hard-core drinker' and 'alcohol addict' (or 'alcoholic', as we usually refer to alcohol addicts) are nearly synonymous. The term addict in common parlance largely depends on the taboos of the culture it seems. Someone who is into 'hard-core pr0n' is often called a 'sex addict.' But a 'hard-core coder' is almost never called a 'workaholic' or a 'work addict' because our largely Puritanical society defines 'hard-core work' to be a Good Thing(tm), while 'hard-core sex' is a Bad Thing(tm). Whether 'hard-core gaming' is a Bad Thing(tm) or not probably depends largely on who you talk to. In the Slashdot crowd, this would be a revered quality, but in the Soccer Mom crowd, this would probably be looked upon negatively.

  6. Who's the bigger looser? by twocoasttb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mr. Stenlund or his wife? What the hell is she sticking around for? This guy isn't hardcore, he's an addict. The scary thing is, we're going to be seeing many, many more people like him as these games become more popular and our society becomes even more disconnected. What a waste.

  7. Big Cities Where Big Things Happen by xTown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Far from being too far from "big cities where big things happen", Madison is in pretty much the perfect location.

    Milwaukee is an hour away. Chicago is two hours away. Minneapolis is not much more than that.

    The University of Wisconsin is in Madison, so you've got all of the resources of a college town. If you're into sports, the UW has excellent teams in a variety of them, and you're only a few hours away from professional sports in Milwaukee, Green Bay, Chicago, and the Twin Cities.

    If you like bookstores, Madison has a ton of them, and not just big chains like Borders and B&N. There are a wide variety of used book stores downtown, including one that specializes in science fiction and fantasy.

    We don't get earthquakes. In Madison, I've heard the tornado warning siren exactly once in the last dozen years. Flooding is pretty much never an issue.

    Madison has a good symphony and a viable opera. We also have art-house movie theaters. Madison has or is close to several very good experimental and straight theater groups. We also have an award-winning alternative newsweekly, Isthmus.

    To sum up: no disasters. Lots of books. Art. Theater. University. Cities close by if you want them, cities ignorable if you'd rather ignore them.

    Frankly, if this guy can't find intellectual stimulation in Madison, he won't find it anywhere. Least of all in Las Vegas.

  8. I don't think so.... by TnkMkr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ummm... I lived in Madison for a few years while I was attending the College of Engineering there. I don't like the way they paint the city as this little town with nothing but adult bookstores and used car lots. The city is the state capitol. Aside from the capitol is a large University. The city has its fair share of malls, chain stores, as well as brand spanking new mulit-million dollar arts district being constructed down town. Hell, Raven software and a few other software companies are in Madison. I'll admit the city is no Chicago, New York or L.A., but it is hardly a po-dunk population 100 town with no oppertunites. I don't know what big city events he is looking for, but I can't imagine anything I can do here in Washington D.C. that I could not have easily done in Madison. There is just more traffic here. As far as him finding opportunities, I think there is problem with the person not the city. If he devoted 7hrs a day to the local university Iâ(TM)ll bet he would learn more and accomplish more than he does playing A.O. Based on previous posts, I would classify him as an addict rather than a hardcore gamer. If he is unhappy with his life then he needs to get out from behind his computer and out on the streets looking to better his life. Opportunity is won, not found or given.

  9. Re:What a creative, intelligent young man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    High intelligence would be realizing that spending an avg of 7 hours a day on the computer playing video games is probably why your computer repair/building/card swapping business is bust and you're broke.

    No, wisdom would tell one this. Intelligence is a whole different story. One can be intelligent and lack wisdom.

  10. Hand-to-mouth? by booch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's "trapped in a hand-to-mouth existence"? Maybe if he got off his ass and worked hard, he wouldn't be living "hand-to-mouth". Anyway, the term implies that you have to work hard for every meal. This guy definitely doesn't fit the bill.

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  11. Who's to say Virtual isn't real or is Bad.... by Almandris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. when you are dealing with real people.

    With the advent of MMORPG, and On-Line gamming in general, there is another consideration for everyone who is talking about games. The definition of community. This article touches on the fact that the person as the character still interacts with real people and talks to them. This is not the fact that they physically interact, but the whole interaction of a community and communication.

    We are talking about the change of a "Real" society to a "Virtual" society. In both cases you are interacting with real people. You talk to them ,you have to deal with them and in most cases you do things with them. The only difference is the mode of interaction. Instead of sitting down at a table talking to each other and playing a game of cards, game of chess, family or group game; you are individually sitting down at computers talking to each other, playing a computer game, any MMORPG or community based On-Line game. If you never interact with anyone while doing this then there is a difference, but the whole community interaction is almost exactly the same. You can make friends with people or learn that you really are not friends with someone when you are talking to them over a card table or over a computer connection. Are the situations identical... NO, but they are similar in the aspects of interaction... the major difference being what can happen physically. Both interactions can involve personal or intellectual content and can increase your personal "growth" if they are productive. There are a lot of "unproductive" conversations that happen every day that will never matter the next day regardless if your at a card table, at your computer or at your local bar.

    Lots of hobbies that people have are just to give someone something to do.... some of them are self gratifying some are just to "waste time" and some 'might' be used in the future. I actually look at computer games as a hobby of mine... sometimes I spend a lot of time on them and sometimes I don't. Minus the personal interaction, the people I know from around the world and the country, there is a lot of things that will not help me with my day to day activities, but I can tell you that interacting with people is a lot easier on-line than in IRL and interacting with people on-line has helped me with interacting with people IRL. I have seen people work through problems talking on-line as well as IRL, both ways its mental change.

    With the introduction of the internet to the world the whole definition of community has changed, or multiple definitions are being created, and I personally see a lot of people just really don't like that or don't want to deal with it. Some benefit from it and some donâ(TM)t. Real life is that way also. I see little difference in the end.