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802.11g... It's Official

JoeBuck writes "This article in CommsDesign reports that the IEEE has officially approved the IEEE 802.11g standard, as well as another standard (802.15.3) for shorter-range, very-low-power operation. Two other standards designed to improve compatibility between different vendors' access points were also approved."

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  1. Sup dogs by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Funny
    It sounds like a rap song.

    I triple E, 8 Oh 2 point eleven, G.

    Yeeaa. Fo shizzle my wi'ahless using nizzles, wi-fi all day players.

    Fizzle pizzle

  2. Good news and bad news... by NumberField · · Score: 5, Informative

    802.11g operates at the same frequency as 802.11b. The good news: existing antennas and other range extension techniques should work fine (Pringles can, anyone?). The bad news: interference is going to be a nightmare. In heavily-populated areas, it's common to have a dozen or more legacy 802.11b signals, which tend to hog the bandwidth that would otherwise be available for .11g. Add in microwave ovens (which interfere massively on the same band), and many people will be lucky to see even 20 Mbits/sec. The security is also a mixed bag: although the WEP mess is improved, security is still going to be a headache, particularly for people who want to roam safely.

    1. Re:Good news and bad news... by zoloto · · Score: 5, Interesting
      not only that, but as it states in the article:

      The 802.15.3 standard for High Rate WPANs also operates in the 2.45-GHz band and at similar rates, from 11 to 55 Mbit/s, but is designed for shorter-range (1 to 50 meters), very-low-power operation. It also uses time division, multiple access (TDMA) protocol.


      To me this only spells out the death of bluetooth as mentioned here and here
      And I quote:

      Bluetooth's focus on eliminating wires means still having the limitations of wires in that you can only connect between nearby devices. 802.11 on the other hand takes advantage of the Internet and allows you to connect to any device, anywhere


      I seem to smell something burning... anyone else??

    2. Re:Good news and bad news... by JoeBuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      802.11g is designed to interoperate with 802.11b, although the presence of "b" users in the same area does slow "g" down. Still, everyone is confusing effective rate (say, 20 Mbits/sec actually transmitted) with theoretical peak rate (54 Mbit/sec). "b" users are not getting 11 Mbits/sec; if they are lucky they are getting 5, and if they are surfing the web through DSL or cable modem they aren't even getting 2. When lots of people are using the same access point, the bottleneck isn't

      In a year or two, most folks will ditch their "b" equipment for "g" and it won't matter.

    3. Re:Good news and bad news... by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Headphones, and remote controls don't really need IP's as someone else pointed out.

      Hi, we're from the Slashdot Geekness Enforcement Group. We've determined that your inability to see the rationale for IP connectivity to headphones and remote controls violates our standards. We've even recieved some complaints that this attitude "goes against the GPL" and helps to enforce "MPAA/RIAA restrictions on content use".

      Please turn in your Slashdot ID by the end of the day, otherwise we'll be forced to blog you into oblivion. Thanks.

  3. IEEE Page by acherrington · · Score: 5, Informative
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  4. compatability with current products? by EyeSavedLatin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An important question that I didn't see adressed in the article is what about products that are out now? Is the standard significantly different than, for example, apple's airport extreme? Being involved in the communications industry I know standards basically come down to which company wins the "no let's do it my way" fight (e.g. the cat 6 cable standard). Who was the winner in this case?

  5. Cold hearted bluetooth killa yo... by malakai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    802.15.3 last I heard wasn't really "approved" by the Bluetooth SIG. In fact, the whole 802.15 working group was trying to take over engineering aspects of Bluetooth from the Bluetooth SIG and leave the SIG to handle marketing, compliance, branding..etc.

    But that didn't apparently happen because Bluetooth didn't want to wait X years for the next standard. Also, IEEE has a nasty habbit of ignoring backwards compatability when taking over a standard (we didnt design it, so who cares).

    So, now we have this new, high rate, low power, WPN, that is supposed to be backwards compatabile with 802.15.1 (which is IEEE code word for Bluetooth. They built the 802.15.1 around the existing Bluetooth spec, but _changed_ it a bit).

    Yet, no where, have i seen, an engineer say " 802.15.3 IS COMPATIBLE WITH Bluetooth". Maybe i missed that somewhere. Anyone know if this WPN will work with the present day number 1 WPN on the market?

    Either way, this is really cool technology. High bandwidth, cheap, low power WPN means wireless KVM switchs among lots of other cool gadgets.

    -malakai

  6. Re:Good job, Apple. by Pirogoeth · · Score: 5, Informative

    This story kind of explains the speed thing. The actual throughput speed has not changed at all since 802.11g first came out.

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  7. Device makers are too quick to market? by Sean80 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Does it strike anybody else that sometimes device manufacturers are just a little too quick to market?

    How is it that I can go down to Fry's and buy a wireless router which supports a standard which hadn't even been approved? Or a DVD writer that may or may not be supported tomorrow, and which may or may not work with my DVD player? Or a graphics card which I may be able to be heard over if I scream loud enough, or which may play my games without crashing me to the desktop every two seconds.

    Sure, competing standards a A Good Thing, but only if the companies that espouse them are willing to stand by them until the consumer has gotten their money's worth out of them. I constantly worry that my growing DVD collection will only be useful as a set of dinner plates in the near future, because of some new and exciting standard which the industry wants to force on me.

    Growth, prosperity, innovation, yakkety yak. All I want is to pay some money and have something useful for a number of years. How many people are getting rich suckering us into the latest and greatest technology every year?

  8. Repeat after me - Radio Data Rate!=Data Throughput by pagley · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK, it seems that there are a *lot* of people who either don't read the articles closely, or in the case of the last one posted on Slashdot, don't differentiate between "radio data rate" and "data throughput".

    On ordinary 802.11b gear, the maximum "radio data rate" is 11Mbps. Once you account for the inherent loss in throughput because of the uncertainty of the medium (air), and the fact that the protocol was designed to accomodate this uncertainty, your actual maximum "data thoughput" is about half of that - around 5Mbps. 11Mbps 802.11b != 11Mbps throughput, it never has, it never will.

    The same goes for 802.11g - the maximum radio data rate was, and _still is_ 54Mbps. However, the throughput is again slightly less than half of that, in the 20Mbps range.

    The reported "change" to 802.11g to "20Mbps" media frenzy stemmed almost entirely from simply clarifying that the actual "data throughput" was about 20Mpbs, *not* that the radio data rate had changed, been knocked down, whatever.

    You get roughly 20Mbps "data throughput" in a pure 802.11g network - and again, similar to 802.11b, 54Mbps 802.11g != 54Mpbs throughput.

    A 4x increase in throughput using 802.11g over 802.11b is nothing to complain about. Now, if we could get Atheros 802.11g drivers for Linux, I'd be a much happier camper :) Although I do hear rumblings about drivers possibly surfacing soon - fingers crossed.

    Brad

  9. Rhyme or Reason by radiumhahn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eight Oh Too Eleven Gee What does the future have instore for thee? Is it good? Is it bad? Will it make Bill Gates mad? Does it route and will it ping? Will it help find porn for my ding-a-ling? Eight Oh Too Eleven Gee What does the future see? - Ra Hahn - Where Ends the Sidewalk

  10. 802.11g Power Requirements... by craenor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The great thing (to my thinking) about 802.11g is not the 54mpbs (which realistically is a throughput of only about 20-25mbps at best) but rather the power requirements.

    Portable users are and always will be the mainstay of the Wireless Networking market and as performance machines come out the fight to keep battery life up is also going strong.

    The Pentium-M and it's chipsets help this a great deal (but don't get me started on Centrino, that's just a marketing scam). However, one of the big winfalls for portable users will be the prevalence of 802.11g networks. They require half of the power of an 802.11b network and transmit data about 4 times faster.

    This is the real prize you earn for switching to 802.11g.

  11. Sometimes, you gotta say.. by chriso11 · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK, once again.

    802.11a: 5.4GHz operating frequency, 54MBPS data rate. Uses OFDM modulation, similar to DSL and HDTV VSB.
    Good things about a:
    -more channels than at 2.4HGz=more users simulataneously
    -less interference from bluetooth and microwaves
    -more advanced modulation standard=more data in less BW.
    Bad things about a:
    -a lot harder to manufacture: you can't even use the common FR4 substrate. Testing is more of a pain
    -the modulation standard requires higher quality (more linear) transmitters
    -5.4GHz experiences more attenuation, so less range

    802.11b: The old reliable: 2.4GHz operating frequency (the same as a P4!), with 11MBPS data rate. Uses CCK, which is a massaged QPSK modulation method
    Good things about B:
    -most commonly avaliable type
    -WiFi certification for interoperatiblity
    -can use lower cost ic and materials. Testing is easier.
    -longer range than A with less power (better for laptops)
    Bad things about B:
    -lower data rate
    -more 'congested' spectrum
    -CCK is less effecient in spectrum usage
    -less channels available

    802.11b+: Almost nobody has it: TI's PBCC modulation that gives 22MBPS on normal B. PBCC is an optional capability for G.
    Good things about B+:
    -it is/was available earlier
    -Was cheaper
    -Pretty much B, only a $10 more expensive.
    Bad things about B+:
    -I bought it because I couldn't wait for G
    -Nobody except TI made chips that support PBCC
    -Really, think of it as G-, not B+

    802.11g: Same frequency as b, same modulation as A
    Good things about G:
    -backwards compatable
    -easier/cheaper to get more linear transmitters for 2.4GHz than 5.4GHz.
    Bad Things about G:
    -no WiFi interoperability certification yet

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