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Oldest Modern Humans Found

DrLudicrous writes "Anthropologists have reconstructed and dated three skulls from Ethiopia that they believe to be the oldest anatomically modern human skulls in existance. They date to 160,000 years ago, in agreement with genetic studies that pin the arrival of modern humans to at least 150,000 years ago. The skulls also demonstrate evidence of ritual burial." UC Berkeley has the original release as well.

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  1. Call the editor! by illuminata · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's time to revise the Bible again! Damn science, it makes my work so much harder.

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    1. Re: Call the editor! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


      > Don't you mean revise science, the Bible hasnt changed in thousands of years (note the dead sea scrolls which are the same as the current versions of the Bible). It is science that changes its mind everytime something new is discovered, cant they stick with one story.

      And there's the difference between science in religion. Religion wants to preserve a tradition, so its adherents stick to their story regardless of what the evidence says. Science wants to understand the universe, so it goes whereever the evidence demands.

      Of course... it only takes a casual familiarity with history to see that religion slowly changes its views over the generations as well, however much the practitioners want to pretend otherwise.

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    2. Re: Call the editor! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


      > Sixth, the idea that the rulers wanted to "keep the people dumb" is just propaganda.

      When you have a bit of idle time, visit the talk.origins newsgroup and ask about the role of religion in the Neocon "wedge document". As one guy puts it in his .sig there, for a certain branch of Neocons "religion is the opiate of the masses, and that's a good thing".

      IIRC their philosophy goes at least back to Plato, who (IIRC) suggested a model state where the "guardians" knew religion was a hoax, but espoused it anyway in order to control the masses.

      Notice in passing how convenient it is for a government to send soldiers to their deaths and then assure the public that they have a secure spot in Heaven (as if the politicians would know!), or to shrug off "collateral damage" when everyone 'knows' that God won't let the innocent suffer in the afterlife.

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    3. Re: Call the editor! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful


      > > And there's the difference between science in religion. Religion wants to preserve a tradition, so its adherents stick to their story regardless of what the evidence says. Science wants to understand the universe, so it goes whereever the evidence demands.

      > While it's true that religions tend to stick to their stories regardless of the evidence, the same tendency has been observed among scientists as well. If you had asked Einstein about non-local effects in quantum physics, I imagine you'd have gotten the same kind of response you'd get by asking Jerry Falwell about evolution.

      Yes, science is practiced by humans and therefore all the usual human follies can be observed among scientists.

      However, scientists are well aware of that fact, so science as a "field" or "institution" is based on the notion of sanity checks and second opinions. The bad stuff like Piltdown Man and Cold Nuclear Fusion eventually get weeded out, because although they appeal strongly to individual's follies they can't stand up to the checks.

      I.e., ultimately Einstein's personal opinion doesn't matter.

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    4. Re:Call the editor! by osgeek · · Score: 5, Informative
      The difference is that when Science learns that it's wrong, it admits it and moves on to try to learn more about the universe.

      When the Bible is shown to be wrong, people hold to it doggedly, making excuse after excuse until they're left in exile on the lunatic fringe defending the utterly laughable (Fundamentalists), or they must dilute the "facts" in the Bible so much that what they're left with is practically useless as a religious text describing an almighty Creator(Catholics).

      For those who take the Bible literally, believing that all words of the Bible are true and perfect:
      • No, a rabbit does not chew its cud.
      • Jesus lies quite egregiously to try to save his own skin in the Bible when questioned by the Pharisies.
      • The Earth is not flat with four corners.
      • No evidence exists for a worldwide flood between 4,000 and 6,000 years ago, and even less evidence exists that we and all land/air animals came from creatures that rode an ark during that time.
      • The Egyptians, who were meticulous record keepers, made no mention of massive Jewish slave use that was ripped away from them by the coming of Moses. Further, if the Nile had been turned to blood, it would have caused untold destruction upon the entire region that depended upon it for their very survival. We would have learned about it by now, most likely.
      • Jesus describes his "kingdom" in some detail then goes on to say how not even all of his Apostles would be dead by the time he returned to his glory for all to see... I think it's safe to say that prophecy was full of crap.
      • Christians are completely unable to do any of the things that Jesus claimed they could with even a little faith: They can't move mountains, they can't whither trees or tell them to jump into the ocean (well, they can, but nothing happens), they can't walk on water, they can't provably cure the sick, they can't do shit. Furthermore, all followers of Christ are supposed to be able to prove the divinity of their cause. Jesus said they would prove it by drinking deadly poison, handling deadly snakes, and speaking in tongues (in a way such that all people of all languages can understand what they say).
      • To believe that Jonah spent days inside a whale is an utter joke. Do you believe all of the ridiculous claims made by Islam and Hindu texts? Hmm, I wonder why not? Can we say special pleading?
      • Hey, from your perfect Bible, name me the exact ten commandments.
      Face facts. The Bible is so obviously wrong, you'd have to be heavily deluded or bribed to believe otherwise. I guess the elusive promise of everlasting life is quite a bribe. I'd go for it too, but my sense of intellectual honesty just can't stomach all of the bullshit.

      Just because Christians are so simple as to believe in an obviously wrong religious text doesn't mean that Science is inferior when it admits its mistakes and moves on.
    5. Re: Call the editor! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative


      > I would like to see some credible evidence before I'll believe that contradictions exist in the Bible. I would agree that apparent contradictions exist, but I haven't seen a legitimate one yet in any accurate translation

      That's because the interpretation is underconstrained. Theologians can cough up any "explanation" at all, so long as they preserve the claim that the Bible is true.

      For example, the New Testament variously reports that Judas hanged himself or that he threw himself down a stairway and burst open. In Sunday School I was taught that he hung himself at the top of a stairway, the rope broken, and he tumbled down the stairway.

      Fairy tales and the fairy-tale logic used to explain away the obvious contradictions in them simply aren't falsifiable. You could give Homer or Raiders of the Lost Ark the same treatment.

      Meanwhile, if you try to evaluate the Bible objectively by comparing it to what we know from history, archaeology, geology, etc., it is found often to be very, very wrong. Once you grok that fact you suddenly lose interest in adding extra-biblical epicycles to reconcile the contradictions, because you see the book for what it is: a centuries-long accumulation and repeated re-editing of traditional stories, all done at the hands of superstitious and falible men.

      Though there's still some wisdom mixed in with the fiction and nonsense, for those who care to look for it.

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  2. Hominids by xtrucial · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that hominids, though, arrived considerably earlier than this... what's the latest figure? somewhere in the 4 million range? Some of them wren't exactly dumb either; neanderthals, in fact, are supposed to have had more brain mass than humans did/do.

    1. Re:Hominids by $alex_n42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just though I should fire up the old google and check it out for myself, here's what I found:

      "While the largest Homo erectus brains were about 1250 ml (2 imperial pints) and modern brains average about 1200 - 1500 ml in volume, female Neanderthal brains were about 1300 ml and those of males about 1600 ml, extending to 1740 ml in the Amud man." --Stringer, Christopher & Gamble, Clive. In Search of the Neanderthals. New York: Thames & Hudson, 1993. link

      "The Neanderthals were fully bipedal and had a slightly larger average brain capacity than that of a typical modern human (though the brain structure was organised somewhat differently)." --link

      A good discussion and some comparisons here: link

      Of course by the time I've read it all and wrote this, someone might have posted some relevant information already. Just though I'd share anyway.

    2. Re:Hominids by AllenChristopher · · Score: 5, Funny

      We, however, are tricksy. We probably convinced neanderthals to sign a license agreement on fire.

    3. Re:Hominids by pajamacore · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Broca's area in H. neanderthalensis was as fully developed as it is in H. sapiens. Also, the basicrania of Neanderthals were just as flexed as anatomically modern humans. Neanderthals also possessed an enlarged canal in the thoracic vertebrae allowing for fine control over phonetically significant movements of the rib cage.

      The extent to which Neanderthals could speak was determined by their anatomy. The larynx was located high in the vocal tract and the oral cavity was significantly longer than in H. sapiens. This differently arranged vocal tract could not form the 'i', as in tea; 'u', as in too; and 'a', as in tall. Nor could it pronounce 'k' as in kite and 'g' as in god.

      However, as Steven Pinker put it: "In any case, e lengeege weth e smell nember ef vewels cen remeen quete expresseve, so we cannot conclude that a [hominin] with a restricted vowel space had little language."

  3. they're quite intelligent (already) by maliabu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    along with the skulls are some tools, and their way of burial is more than a simple "covering up with dirt and let's move on", which sort of indicates these ancestors are pretty smart and know what they were doing.

    are we going to discover even earlier "modern" human remains in order to find out how we really came from??

  4. Brain Food? by sssmashy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Herto skulls were not found with other bones from the rest of the bodies, which is unusual, White said, leading the researchers to infer that the people "were moving the heads around on the landscape. They probably cut the muscles and broke the skull bases of some skulls to extract the brain, but why, whether as part of a cannibalistic ritual, we have no way of knowing."

    I was rather surprised by the possibility of ritualistic brain-eating amongst the earliest ancestors of our species. Maybe they were extracting the brains not for appetizers, but for the same reasons Egyptians removed the brains prior to mummification: so that dead would not be encumbered by the useless grey gunk inside their head on the journey to the afterlife.

    1. Re:Brain Food? by Montreal+Geek · · Score: 4, Informative
      I was rather surprised by the possibility of ritualistic brain-eating amongst the earliest ancestors of our species. Maybe they were extracting the brains not for appetizers, but for the same reasons Egyptians removed the brains prior to mummification: so that dead would not be encumbered by the useless grey gunk inside their head on the journey to the afterlife.

      Not necessarly strange; it has been common in human cultures to associate eating something with assimilating the attributes of the eaten, or desirables attributes associated to the eaten. Examples of this are present in basically all cultures, modern day included-- look into why tigers are hunted to extinction in asia or why eating oysters is still associated with erotism and sexual potency.

      It's not much of a stretch to guess that a culture that has figured out that the head/brain is the where intelligence/personality/memory lives (if only by looking at the effect of a bad bonk on the head) might want to preserve/steal the attributes of the recently dead.

      The point of the research team is just that they have no way of knowing-- wether the brain was eaten or just discarded as a side effect of the ritual is undeterminable. The only thing they do know is how they did it, not why.

      -- MG

    2. Re:Brain Food? by ObligatoryUserName · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In an article in Science this April ("Balancing Selection at the Prion Protein Gene Consistent with Prehistoric Kurulike Epidemics"), British scientists suggest that our ancestor's urge to eat brains may have lead to the modern absence of prion-based diseases (such as mad cow disease) in humans. This suggests that, to some extent, at some point evolution selected for brain eating in humans. The actual article requires a paid subscription, but here's a summary from a newspaper.

  5. Re:How come there are modern and non modern Human? by Dr.+Jest · · Score: 5, Funny

    You think it's confusing now? Wait until we get the postmodern humans. I shiver at the idea of self-referential genetics.

  6. What I don't understand by Ravenscall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is that, Okay, Great^n Grandpawas around 160,000 years ago, complete with stone tools and burial practices.

    Yet Civilization only 'started 6-10,000 years ago.

    Why does this just not quite add up to me. I mean, our ancestors were not stupid, they posessed the same intuition and logic that we do today. Whay did it take so long to get where we are now though?

    Just food for thought.

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    1. Re:What I don't understand by Frostalicious · · Score: 4, Informative

      I mean, our ancestors were not stupid, they posessed the same intuition and logic that we do today. Whay did it take so long to get where we are now though?

      I believe it had to do with climate. Prior to say 8,000BCE, it was too cold (ice age ending). They couldn't grow crops and survived through hunting/gathering. This environment could not support more advanced civilizations. Small groups of people could follow herds around for food, but a big city couldn't sustain itself.

    2. Re:What I don't understand by Jareeedo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It doesn't add up because you have to know the big picture. It has to do with our evolved capacity to suppress non-kin conflicts of interest, using the threat of coercive violence, on a larger and larger scale throughout our history. Every time humans developed a new way to do this, you notice an "adaptive revolution", followed by a period of adaptive sophistication:

      (Dates are fairly approximate)

      ~2 m.y.a. - development of elite throwing: We could throw accurately, and fast enough to kill. This is precisely when the first Homo evolved.

      ~50,000 yrs ago - the Atlatl: a spear-like device enabled us to kill at farther distances. Behaviorally modern revolution occurred soon after.

      ~10,000 yrs ago - the bow: a long distance precision weapon (relative to what was before). The agricultural revolution occurred soon after. This might be what you're referring to as "civilization" in your post.

      ~5,500 yrs ago - Body armor & "Shock weapons" such as swords coincides with the rise of the archaic state.

      ~600 yrs ago - gunpowder/artillery: with gunpowder came the rise of the modern state. Things started to change rapidly after this. Body armor was no longer effective in stopping gunpowder, so we could threaten coercive violence on a larger scale.

      ~400 yrs ago - handguns: different from artillery in the sense that it allowed mostly anyone to possess an accurate, small deadly weapon. The democratization of the modern state occurred. See: The United States of America

      ~50 yrs ago - aircraft and missles: this enables us to effectively coerce non-cooperating persons on the other side of the planet. We are in the midst right now of a formation of a pan-global coalition.

      note: There're a few game-theory terms used in the aforementioned explanation.

    3. Re:What I don't understand by dvdeug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does this just not quite add up to me.

      How many times in your life have you changed the world? The concept to stop chasing wildlife, and to settle down and grow crops is revolutionary, and would be a scary step (since you're betting on crops coming in right until you can build up enough storage) even for those who have plenty of knowledge in the subject. The combination of knowledge, wisdom and courage to take that step is not commonly found, and even when the step was take, the society might easily disappear if there were a short drought. I have a harder time imagining why someone would do this, then why they wouldn't.

    4. Re:What I don't understand by Jareeedo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hell, most of North America was populated with hunter/gatherers until Europeans came, and it's not like they weren't 'smart' enough or anything.

      Thats not true. Specific cases in North America include the Mississippians, the Anasazi and the Calusa. These were sophisticated societies. They had relatively complex economies, large cities consisting of thousands of people, organized religion, art and centralized government. What is true, is that we know very little else about these societies, as the Europeans brought diseases which essentially wiped out these people.

  7. Very important discovery... by kramer2718 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that the most important part of this discovery, though is that it pretty much rules out the descent of homo sapiens from homo neanderathalensis. I know that there was a lot of evidence of that, anyway, but this seems pretty conclusive.

    Still, I think that more interesting discoveries would be from 5 million years ogo. In particular, I would like to see remains of the ancestors of Australopithecenes and Ardopithecenes which would support the evolution of modern chimpanzees and modern humans from a common ancestor.

  8. Re:How come there are modern and non modern Human? by JebusIsLord · · Score: 4, Informative

    Uhh, Homo erectus was not the first hominid. Not by a long shot. Try Ardipithecus ramadis at 5 to 8 million years ago, or arguably something earlier. A. ramadis is most likely bipedal however, which is typically the criteria for early hominids.

    If you were refering to the first in the Homo genus, that would be (in my opinion) Homo habilis or possibly Homo heidelburgensis. These were characterized by the earliest confirmed tool use (Homo habilis means "handy man"). These fellas were around for several hundred thousand years before H. erectus and H. ergaster.

    Sorry about the lack of italicised names, I'm lazy.

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  9. In other paleontological news... by Goonie · · Score: 4, Informative
    It seems we were almost wiped out 70,000 years ago, according to this BBC News article.

    IANA geneticist, but I wonder whether some rapid evolution occurred amongst these small subgroups that gave modern humans the advantage over the Neanderthals?

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  10. Re:Wait a minute... by boomgopher · · Score: 5, Informative

    Saw a show on something related to this, "The Journey of Man", difference was using mutations on X chromosomes, which are passed unchanged from father to son, aside from random mutations. Anyways, a researcher (Spencer Wells) analysed the mutations in the X chromosomes from people all over the world, and came up with a map of sorts on the way people branched out.

    In summary, we're all descendant of a man who lived in Africa about 50,00 years ago (~2000 generations), with genes basically the same as bushmen.

    The researcher laid it out quite clearly and convincingly, so it's worth a watch/read:
    http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/7442. html

    It really made me realize how related we all are, and silences the idiots who think blacks are closer to the apes, and whites are more advanced, etc.

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  11. Re:Wait a minute... by msaavedra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just a small nit-pick: I believe you mean Y chromosome, not X. All men get their X chromosome from their mother, and can only pass it on to their daughters. Y chromosome inheritance works as you described, though.

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  12. Does that mean... by Balinares · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... that we're really the VHS of evolution, and killed out Betamax while it was still young? :)

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  13. Re:Self contradictory by Becquerel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or is this more of the overly simplistic logic that starts by assuming the Bible is false and then proceeds to construct some alternative scenario?

    How do we know anything is true, we must and do on a daily basis make assumptions about the world around us from what we observe. I see a table, i walk up to it, touch it, i know it's a table. We use simple logic to assume things are right or wrong, true or false. If i am told something is true i do not believe it unless i can verify it for myself.

    As such, i believe there is a book called the bible with many secular variations. Having read some of it, I know it contains some fascinating insights into human nature and accounts of historic events. But my wider knowledge allows me to put it in picture with the history of the roman occupation of the area, simultaneous Chinese philosophy, Mayan empires, etc. And my knowledge of human nature, culture, behaviour; to come to the simple logical conclusion that it is most likely that Jesus existed and was immensely insightful into human nature and further evolved a system of living by which humanity and all it's individuals could prosper. However i see no good evidence for divine intervention.

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  14. Artist's Illustration is Misleading by Hideyoshi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The artist's illustration in the Berkeley article (also used on the cover of the current edition of Nature) is misleading, in as much as it gives the figure kinky hair and thick lips, making for a more "African" look than is likely to have been the case.

    The truth of the matter is that the earliest men almost certainly would have had straight hair, not curly or kinky but straight, and thin lips, just like most Europeans and Asians today. The wild-type for hair in primates is straight, and all of the great apes conform to that type. Similarly, no ape has thick lips, and our closest living relatives are pretty much lipless. Given these facts, why would any reasonable person expect the "first" men to look like modern day Africans?

    Of course, it is logically impossible to rule out that our species evolved to gain the features of modern-day Africans only to lose them once again, but this flies in the face of both probability and Occam's razor - it is extremely unlikely that a feature, once lost, can then be regained down the line, simultaneously around all of the world outside Africa.

    One mistake people tend to make is to assume that because our species originated in Africa, modern day Africans are somehow "closer" to what we must have originally been like, but this is nonsense. Africans are just as far removed from the original homo sapiens populations as any other population groups, so they've had just as much time to diverge from the original type. Africans, like any other populations, haven't stood still in evolutionary terms, contrary to the misleading notion that this article illustration propagates.