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Widespread Use of Hydrogen May Hurt Ozone Layer

Saeger writes "The AP has a story about a CalTech study which has found that the Hydrogen Economy may deplete the ozone layer by 'as much as 8 percent' on the assumption that '10 percent to 20 percent of the hydrogen would leak from pipelines, storage facilities, processing plants and fuel cells in cars and at power plants.'" CalTech's press release has more information.

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  1. overblown by js7a · · Score: 4, Informative
    I saw this at Yahoo News last night.

    The Cal Tech study seems to be a little extreme:

    ...They acknowledged that much is still unknown about the hydrogen cycle and that technologies could be developed to curtail hydrogen releases, mitigating the problem....

    Nejat Veziroglu, president of the International Association for Hydrogen Energy and director of the Clean Energy Research Institute at the University of Miami, expressed skepticism about the Cal Tech findings.

    "Leakage will be much less than what they are considering," he said....

    Cal Tech scientist Tracey Tromp, another of the authors, said that with advanced warnings of a problem, a hydrogen energy infrastructure could be fashioned to allow more control of leaks and reduce the adverse environmental impact.

    1. Re:overblown by rekkanoryo · · Score: 5, Informative
      So we're supposed to fear the worst unnecessarily? Or did I misread this?

      Also, I've read in paper-only publications that hydrogen isn't as feasible as alcohol-only fuels--a fuel cartridge as small as an inkjet printer cartridge such as the ones that fit in the Canon BCI-21 print head can power a cell phone for a month or more using alcohol--so maybe studies like this will push more toward the alcohol alternative, which will actually be cheaper to convert to since most infrastructure is already equipped for the distribution of liquid fuels.

    2. Re:overblown by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative
      The European Union plans to reach oil-independance by 2050, and the way they plan to do it is to only use hydrogen as an energy storage mechanism, and to use a variety of different renewable energy sources (sun, wind, (nuclear?)) to generate the energy to begin with. Relying on a multitude of energy sources is obviously beneficial.

      The reason hydrogen is so important in the above scheme is that things like solar/wind/water power flucuate a lot, eg. are only available during certain parts of the day/year. Electrical power in its native form can't be stored, but its conversion to and from hydrogen is very environmentally friendly.

      This is a long-term vision. It might even be agressive to discuss this now, but at some point we're going to have to get away from oil as our main energy source, at which point we're either going to have to switch to an unrenewable source (not smart) or move to the above scheme (smart). The only question is when. Natural gas/oil are not the in our long-term future.

  2. Re:Fossil Fuels by vondo · · Score: 4, Informative
    What nearly everyone seems to forget (including the NPR report last night) is that hydrogen is not an energy source any more than the wall socket your computer is plugged into is.

    Hydrogen has to be produced. Currently, most of it comes from fossil fuels in a process that releases CO2. Some if it comes from electrolosis, which requires energy which comes from sources like burning fossil fuels.

    The only thing hydrogen would do in our current situation would be to move pollution from your car to a power plant.

  3. Re:And then... one spark... by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 5, Informative

    Second, it's *extremely* explosive. The cost of leaking even a small part of the amount you're moving is death in a fiery inferno.

    Actually, this statement is a little off. It is a common perception however. Gasoline is a far worse substance to handle or deal with than Hydrogen. Gasoline can stick to you, spill, and it can explode as well.

    Ironically, the destruction of the Hindenburg, which is the famous example of the dangers of Hydrogen was not as bad as people imagine, the majority of the problem was that the skin of the ship was rocket fuel. The gas, while it was burning ferociously, can be seen to be floating up and away from the ship itself. The most interesting thing about the Hindenburg disaster is that only 35 of the 97 passengers died. If Hydrogen was a heavier than air gas, this would not have been the case.

    Since Hydrogen rises very fast, if you have a leak, it immediately seeks to escape out into the air. Not so with gasoline, which will form a dangerous pool on the ground. Movies such as "Chain Reaction" (ARRRGHHH!!!) perpetuate the "risk" that hydrogen poses. Given the choice, being involved in a gasoline leak (pools on ground) or Hydrogen (rapidly floats up into sky, or celing in an enclosed environment) I would choose being around Hydrogen as I could hit the deck, and have the gas float up and away from me.

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  4. Re:Only applies to pure hydrogen by colinduplantis · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article briefly mentioned it, but Chrysler (and others?) are working on using NaBH4 to carry the hydrogen. The NaBH4 can be induced to yield its hydrogen, leaving borax, a common element in laundry soap. The borax can be recycled to produce more NaBH4 (or Tide, I guess), essentially acting as transportation vehicle for the hydrogen. I imagine NaBH4 has a lower energy density than fossil fuels, particularly gasoline, but it may be safer and easier to produce and ship around. IANACE (I Am Not a Chemical Engineer), of course.

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  5. Re:Fossil Fuels by jellisky · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only thing hydrogen would do in our current situation would be to move pollution from your car to a power plant.

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    Close, but there is another benefit to hydrogen that many people don't remember. There's lots of ways of producing the hydrogen needed for the cycle. Consider that a secondary problem, though. Fossil fuels are far from unlimited. The hydrogen fuel, though, excluding small leakages out of the atmosphere, is nearly limitless. Supply worries are nearly eliminated, once a stable production system can be put into place.

    Granted, the proper production system is not in place yet. But as some other technologies (solar cells, wind turbines) that are less polluting improve, we would be able to move to those technologies for hydrogen production WITHOUT giving up the things that run off the hydrogen. Instead of replacing the whole system, you now only have to rework one part of it.

    It's a very powerful idea when you stop and think about it. Right now, your statement is probably right. But, think about the consequences a little further down the road. THAT'S why hydrogen power is so attractive.

    -Jellisky

  6. correct link by macshune · · Score: 3, Informative

    is right here