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42-Volt Autos

brianlmoon writes "Car Audio Electronics Magazine has a story about the auto industry switching to 36/42-Volt systems starting in 2004 and being completely switched by 2020. The demand for luxuries in cars has grown to where 12/14-Volts is just simply not enough. The automotive sound enthusiasts are going to benefit greatly as amplification will be much easier and cleaner with 3 times the voltage availble. Mobile computing will also benefit: "One of the real benefits of jumping to 42-volt systems, especially for hybrid vehicles, is the ability of the vehicle to offer regular 110-volt electrical outlets". It seems cars will have dual systems for a while for legacy equipment."

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  1. More accidents? by roryh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most car drivers I see don't pay enough attention on the road as it is, and that's without the ability to plug in household applicances. Multi-car pileups because someone was checking their email or pr0n?

  2. For those unfortunate times... by reiggin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does this mean if my new car has a 42v system and the car battery dies and leaves me stranded out in BFE, I have to wait for another 42v car to come by before I can get a jump? That would suck.

    1. Re:For those unfortunate times... by Drakin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Naw, just flag down 3 12 volt cars to give you a boost...

  3. Oh Great. by robogun · · Score: 5, Funny

    My neighborhood already rocks with jackasses with 3,000 watt sound systems in their cars. Just what we need, 12,000 watt sound systems at 3 in the morning.

  4. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can have 2 blue lights under my D-reg Ford Escort!

  5. Re:6 volts should be enough for anyone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Never create an artificial ceiling.. as it will be exceeded.. always.

    299,792,458 meters per second should be enough for anyone.

  6. That's bollocks by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Informative

    A 42-volt system will slash weight

    Where ? 12V lead/acid batteries have 6 elements, 42V batteries would have 21. That's 21 lead plates and associated acid cell. The only thing that would be lighter would wire harnesses, because the wires would be lower-gauge wiring since they wouldn't have to transport as much current. I can't see that being a real weight economy.

    improve fuel economy

    How ? do 42V alternators have a better efficiency than 12V ones ? And even if that was the case, wouldn't, say, driving the alternator with something else than a rubber belt improve efficiency much more dramatically ?

    permit the replacement of many mechanical parts with electrical ones

    How ? what are the mechanical parts that can't be replaced by 12V electrical equivalents that could be replaced by 42V ones ?

    power all sorts of new gizmos like seat heaters, video, etc,

    I can't wait to see cars with seat heaters or video units ...

    and, of most concern to us, improve efficiency for all automotive electrical devices

    I don't know about overall efficiency, but in all fairness, that's true : it's easier to step the voltage down than up. So yes, many devices would become lighter, cheaper and probably more efficient.

    opening the door to higher audio amplifier power with far less complexity than the current crop of 12-volt, high-power amplifiers. Not only can will this translate to lower cost and more compact aftermarket power amps, even head units could cheaply integrate 100-plus RMS watts per channel power.

    That's about the only application where I can see a 42V system be useful.

    All I see in that "improvement" is trouble, exactly like when cars switched from 6V to 12V, and more money to aftermarket accessory makes. For many years, you'll have dual-voltage devices (complicated and defeating the purpose of having a higher voltage in the car) that will be more expensive and heavier, you'll have to buy another cell phone charger, power-supply, CB and whatnot, you'll have to use voltage converters, people without a clue will plug 12V devices in 42V cars, giving more money to garages, ... Okay, when the switch to 42V is made, then everything will supposedly be peachy. But that's not tomorrow : there are still cars around with 6V batteries, or negative hot, *today* while those standards are supposed to be long dead.

    In short, a half-load of technical shit, trouble for everybody and a lot of money for the automotive industry ...

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  7. 42V is for steering, not audio by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    This isn't about car audio; that's just where the poster found the story. This is about driving larger motors, like power steering. Power steering is about to go electric. The plants to build electric power steering units in volume have been under construction for months now. 12V power steering has been tried; it's on the Fiat Punto now. It doesn't work well, and scaling it up to larger vehicles hasn't been successful.

    The 2004 Chevy Malibu will launch this fall with a 42V electrical system and Delphi E-Steer electrical power steering. It's not full steer-by-wire; there's still a mechanical linkage. But that's for backup, through a flexible coupling. The real steering is done with a sensor on the steering column, a motor in the steering box, and a computer watching speed, steering angle, skid information, and such.

    This will make converting cars to computer control much easier.