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Massive WWDC Rumor Roundup

An anonymous reader writes "MacRumors.com posted a massive rumor roundup of all the major rumors surrounding Apple's World Wide Developer's Conference which starts next week. There's been talk of 970 PowerMacs, PowerBooks and Panther... seems like the biggest uncertainty is whether or not 970 PowerMacs will ship or not."

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  1. Current G4 Supplies Depleted by blakespot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Another point to add to backup Arn's MacRumors post is that current suppliers are reporting deminished supplies of PowerMac G4's with resupply dates ranging from late June to early July. Inventories sitting empty. This would not happen unless _something_ were about to take place - even if it were to be just a simple G4 speedbump.

    But I believe "G4" is not the name of the processor that will be in the replacement machines...


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    1. Re:Current G4 Supplies Depleted by tbone1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ... current suppliers are reporting deminished supplies of PowerMac G4's with resupply dates ranging from late June to early July.

      Ding! Veteran Mac watcher know that this is a sure-fire indication that tower replacements are on the way. Since Jobs returned and forced Apple to get tighter inventory controls, this sort of thing has always preceded a new model announcement.

      Of course, there are no guarantees that the new models have 970s in them, but I'd be dashed surprised if they didn't.

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  2. Re:Is this Apple's business model? by tbone1 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Spread rumors.
    2. Get mentioned at Slashdot.
    3. Everyone jeers and boos.
    4. ???
    5. Loss :-(

    Loss? Apple has been posting underwhelming but definite profits (almost) without fail for every quarter in the last three years. Name five other companies that have done that. On second thought, given the economic landscape, those profits are not really underwhelming. Still, it was a useful post. Thank you for attempting to add to the Apple Death Knell Counter. Given the likes of John Dvorak as your potential company on that list, your parents must be very proud.

    The simple truth is that Apple matters. There are things they innovate (like Quicktime, the Newton, and Firewire, etc etc etc) that are ahead of their time. They also can take existing markets and make something far and away better than what is there (iPod being the most recent example). What's more, they can take someone else's technology and make it acceptable (USB, anyone?) And they also can produce things that change the way you think about 'X'. In this latter category I'd put the GUI, Quicktime, and most recently the Music Store. I have completely changed the way I look at music, thanks to the iTMS and my iPod.

    As long as they keep this up, and I don't see why they can't, they will matter and will draw people who want to speculate about the latest and greatest.

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  3. Serial ATA by xyote · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It better have serial ATA. If not, then by the time people start upgrading their hard drives, not only will they find the parallel ATA drives selling at a premium since they're being phased out, but they will find the drives not being made in the larger sizes they need.

    Same goes for some other technologies being introduced now. Nothing worse than a system design that is obsolete before it hits the shelves.

  4. Re:PowerMacs wont ship by iJed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another question about the PowerBooks is what CPU will they have? It could either be a G4 or some version of the PPC 970 (as reported by some rumor sites). In my opinion the PowerBooks will use a G4 class CPU since the current 970 probably lacks energy saving features.

  5. Re:to be or not to be by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Those stories were about the iChat videoconferencing thing though weren't they? (Think Secret didn't change the URL names or s - one of the URLs was http://www.thinksecret.com/news/videoconf.html)

    Now, that leads to a scary possibility. There are no new 970s. Panther's just an incremental update. The new 15" PowerBook replacement is a 15.4" PowerBook with the same-old G4 as always. But Apple, in their infinite wisdom, has decided that a webcam is the "next big thing" and are convinced that Jobs demonstrating a $400 webcam with an in-built 10G HD will suitably wow the entire world.

    It might happen. And, given the success of the iPod, which is "only an MP3 player", they may even be right about the "iCam"... ;-) It'll suck to be a Mac user though after that...

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  6. Anything on Safari 1.0? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's Safari 1.0 I'm most interested in. Any news on whether they'll include a 'block image from server' function, allow your homepage to be a group of tabs and also add proper keyboard navigation of controls (eg. drop-downs)?

    I like Safari because it is quite pretty. Nevertheless, there's no ignoring the fact it currently does less than the Gecko-derived browsers so it hasn't quite done enough to become my default browser yet.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  7. Re:Mac OS X Panther still a mystery by Zoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Damn, never have mod points when you need them.

    While I'm open to improvements in the OS, especially in the interface consistency and configuration tools area, the biggest thing I'm looking for is essentially a host of bugfixes in OS X's networking.

    The Samba support is buggy -- it can't browse as well as a Windows box, and when talking to a Unix box it doesn't understand the concept of group priviliges most of the time, requiring you to re-save documents 5 to 10 times before it will decide you have write permissions.

    Networking in general has big issues--PPCP VPN support improved with 10.2 but if you have a mounted drive over Samba over a VPN and the connection drops--you're pretty much in a race to see if you can shell into your machine to issue `reboot` before some runaway process hogs the entire machine and takes down every other service. I've heard from others that this is also true of regular (non-VPN) NFS mounts as well.

    So truly robust networking support for those of us in mixed environments would make my life So Much Easier You Wouldn't Believe It.

  8. It's a Developer Conference by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a past slashdot thread, I predicted that people would be sorely disappointed because Apple would wait to demo new iApps, unveil new prices and cases for new hardware, and keep GUI changes under wraps until they can make a bigger splash to a more consumer audience. Things may be different this year because of their falling out with the MacWorld Expo organizers and so much consumer attention has been focused on WWDC by the Mac fan sites. I won't try to predict what consumer focused changes will appear at wwdc. In the past the biggest announcements were those designed to affect developers in the biggest way, if that holds true, this is what I'd like to hear about:

    I'd be happy if we saw official Apple support for Cocoa bridges other developers have created such as Camel Bones (Cocoa/Perl) and PyObjC (Cocoa/Python) as officially supported as the Java/Objective-C bridge.

    It might be interesting to see the addition of an optional garbage collector added to Objective-C for newbies to use but engineered in such a way to make it optional for those Objective-C veterans who want to make their work execute more efficiently. Memory management headaches are the biggest difference between the simplicity of Cocoa and other more "popular" languages like Visual Basic (and heck, even Apple's old Hypercard).

    Apple went a long way in Jaguar toward re-engineering the bowels of the user interface architecture (HIToolbox) to unify Cocoa and Carbon. I'm sure Panther will see this effort finished, but it'd be great to see a global user interface macro recording feature added now that there's one robust, well-thought and well implemented API underneath.

    What would be bigger news to me than any sort of user interface bauble (like the fabled "piles") would be an announcement by Apple that it was completely updating the Mac OS X online help system. They've done a great job of trying to make it easy to get to, but it's very slow and very awkward to use. Any improvements in this area would be very welcome for users and developers.

    While new Macs, new iApps, and new user interface trinkets could debut here or at any other Apple event, this is the only time of year Apple really focuses on making geeky, developer relevant announcements. I hope this WWDC doesn't disappoint in that regard.

  9. WWDC "to be announced" slots by nozpamming · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There seem to be quite a lot of slots "to be announced" at the WWDC, especially for tuesday...

    Is this normal? Could these be demonstrations of new products? Ideas, anyone?

  10. Since it's a developer's conference... by chia_monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see a few issues addressed. Yet oddly enough, they all seem to involve Microsoft:

    1) The whole Virtual PC thing. Is Apple going to talk to developers to find ways to continue to run Windows on the Mac should MS decide to kill VPC?
    2) Safari/IE. MS is killing IE for the Mac. Many sites currently don't look so hot, or don't even work, on non-IE browsers. How will this be addressed? Safari "giving in" to IE-style rendering?

    I do also expect some yummy hardware announcement, I just have no idea what it is. It's beyond speculation, but whatever it is, I'll be happy.

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    1. Re:Since it's a developer's conference... by mstockman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      2) Safari/IE. MS is killing IE for the Mac. Many sites currently don't look so hot, or don't even work, on non-IE browsers. How will this be addressed? Safari "giving in" to IE-style rendering?

      That's really a non-issue, because IE for Mac was never compatible with the sites you're talking about... those sites are IE for Windows specific. IE for Mac was a surprisingly standards-compliant browser, one of the first to support really good CSS1 and a good chunk of CSS2, and it never supported most of the non-standard IE for Windows stuff.

      On the VirtualPC front, I do think it would be nice if Apple were to throw its open-source development weight into enhancing Bochs to make it the best emulation out there, and then integrate it into OS X so you could have double-clickable Windows apps in an emulation layer such as Classic mode, but I haven't heard anything about that one way or another.

  11. Re:Rumours... by Gid1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Better than that... in some cases, the decrease in context switching (among other things) can give a greater than 100% increase. I've seen such a thing happen before.

  12. OpenOffice? by ek_adam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While there were a few rumors of an Apple browser before Safari came out, few people expected it to be based on open source Konqueror.

    I'm wondering how big a surprise a behind the scenes port of Open Office to the Mac would be.

    1. Re:OpenOffice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm wondering how big a surprise a behind the scenes port of Open Office to the Mac would be.

      Well, considering there isn't one, I'd say it would be a great surprise.

      Apple does not play with GPL software. We will play with LGPL libraries, but we will not play with GPL software. Simply isn't going to happen.

      (Besides... hate to break it to you, but Open Office is crap by Mac standards. If you want to see the future of productivity software on the Mac, look at Keynote, not Open Office.)

    2. Re:OpenOffice? by Morky · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just as they did not use Gecko as their rendering engine, they would not use OO the basis of an office suite. From what I understand, it's complete spaghetti.

    3. Re:OpenOffice? by bedouin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      OpenOffice I doubt, but I think at least one of the old Gobe developers now works for Apple. Gobe Productive on Mac could be interesting. The more likely scenario seems to be more apps like Keynote though.

      Wow, when I was typing that I just realized "If Apple released their own Word Processor I'd probably go out and pay for it." Imagine that, liking a platform so much that I'm willing to support it with my own money. That never happened when I was running Windows :)

  13. New Case Colors and OS X 10.3 by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the situation where someone just woke up and didn't have their coffee. It seems that they are saying the new PowerMacs cases will be a matalic color as well as 10.3 using more of the brush metal theam. I can only assume that they want to OS to look more like the case itself and vise versa. Which is basicly what they have been dooing OS up to 10.2 have been on Macs that were normally White in color but now the new ones are becoming more metalic as well as the powerbooks so the New OS will look like the case thus making the brush metal theam fit with the computer.

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  14. Re:Current G4 Supplies Depleted - what's NeXT ? by blakespot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hey...

    For just navigating thru menus and windows and general GUI stuff my 33MHz 68040-based NeXTStation Turbo Color slab feels about the same speed as my dual G4 800 Mac!

    Don't knock the '040!


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  15. Re:to be or not to be by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I can't believe (well actually I can) he got modded down! It's a very real possibility. The whole "Apple will ship 970 based machines RSN" thing appears to be the product of rumour and speculation. Nothing interesting happening is certainly possible, and it's worth having somebody point that out. But it tells Mac users things they don't want to hear. Too bad.

    He didn't say 'if nothing interesting happens, they're dead,' but rather 'if there are no 970's, they're dead' which is rubbish because Apple makes more than just professional Macs, they've plenty of cash and there can be interesting things happening aside from the 970.

    You think their shareholders would like that? You think they'd just sit back and say, "well they aren't making any profit, but that's OK cos they have a cash pile to burn through"? I don't think they would.

    They wouldn't think it's okay, but Apple survived the Amelio era, haemorrhaging billions, yet still being alive. They're considerably healthier now than they were then.

    Depends how you define profitable. As pointed out elsewhere, their cash pile has declined by over a billion dollars, despite the company being "profitable".

    A define profitable as them saying in their quarterly financial statements that they're making a profit.

    Is that actually confirmed? By Apple? Or is it just people assuming that they must do, it's so obvious? Well I'm not saying they won't, but putting rumour as fact is not good.

    The Velocity Engine is in the 970 so it's pretty clear that Apple is going to be using it and we know that if IBM hasn't already started volume production of the 970 but now, they will before the end of the year. If they didn't and Apple didn't have another good chip to switch to, then there would likely be sufficient bad publicity and loss of faith from professionals to cause them serious problems, but the WWDC is not the turning point.

    Oh but of course like the poor poster who started this thread I have questioned the strength of Apple, which is clearly flamebait. Or overrated of course. Don't forget moderators, if you use overrated, you don't have to get metamoderated! ;-)

    When did I say questioning Apple was flamebait? I think he was being over-dramatic and got modded up for it, but I wouldn't say it was flame bait and neither is your post. I think your point about profitability is valid for instance. Just because some people are zealots doesn't mean all are.

  16. No, it is a tradition by alfredo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Part of the fun is speculating on what Jobs will pull out of his ass this time. Security is so tight at Apple, any hint of what is to be is big news.

    It is a game Mac users and others enjoy. Jobs is into the joke too. Watch his presentation, it is sheer entertainment. We know to expect the unexpected, and would be disappointed if the rumor sites were right.

    Even if you are not into Macs, it is worth it to watch his presentation. You will be learning from the master.

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  17. Re:Current G4 Supplies Depleted - what's NeXT ? by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know what you mean---my 25MHz '040 NeXT Cube is still my main machine for doing TeX and PostScript work.

    The really painful thing is the comments from Mac developers when they first tried out OpenStep 4.2 on decent white boxes in preparation for what was then called Rhapsody...

    ``windows vanish (instantly) (after clicking the close box)''

    ``feels rock solid''

    ``man I hope the real thing performs this snappily''

    There was recently a post to comp.sys.next.advocacy from a guy who got OpenStep running on a something.something GHz box w/ 1GB or DDR or somesuch RAM.... may have to think 'bout setting up something like that myself, thoough I'd really miss the cool old-style NeXT keyboard....

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  18. New XServe rumor at macbidouille.com by King+Babar · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So just after I posted about (brief) shipping delays being shown for some XServe models at the online Apple Store, I checked and found that Mac Bidouille posted a new XServe rumor on their site.

    In the interests of Slashdot's non francophile readers and despite the fact that I might screw up some of this translation, here is what that item says:

    Grek sends us evidence (lit. testimony) that not only confirms rumors of the release of PPC 970 machines, but but also this time for servers.

    A friend of mine in in contact with a salesman from Apple for the purchase of an XServe solution. After several exchanges, the salesman arranged a meeting with him immediately after June 23, a date of important announcements according to him, to talk about some new things in the server sphere. So there will not only be PowerMacs with the 970 that we are expecting (lit. waiting for), but also Xserve units!

    I would remind you that the WWDC last year was the the time when Steve announced the first generation of the XServe in addition to Jaguar. This year, Panther will be there, but it remains to be seen if there will aslo be a speedboat for the XServe at the WWDC. [sorry, I'm not sure how to translate "une vedette de la WWDC]

    Now, I do not find the logic here completely compelling; this could be just a price drop, or an announcement about software improvements or what have you, but WWDC wouldn't be a silly place to announce changes in the server line by any means.

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  19. Re:Mac OS X Panther still a mystery by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The default mounting options for NFS filesystems are, in most operating systems, dumb, in my not-so-humble opinion. I'm not sure if they're set like that as a way of filtering out clueless sysadmins or what exactly.

    My advice is check the mount options for NFS shares on your OS. These you pass to the mount command or put in your fstab. The key ones to look for, under Linux, are:

    • bg - if you don't put this in your fstab, and your machine can't find a server when it boots, you'll find actually getting into your machine close to impossible under certain circumstances.
    • soft - What happens if a server goes offline and your programs try to access a file? They'll get an error? right? Nah, unless you set "soft" as an option, your machine will sit there trying to access the server and never quit. Too bad if you have a file open on a no-longer-available NFS server, you're going to have to reboot and do it the long, slow, way where you manually dismount your other filesystems, making root "read only". If you can. Check out soft, it saves a lot of trouble.
    • intr - now, the fact this one's not default makes you want to meet the person who set the defaults for NFS access and mete out strong violence upon their most precious bits. If a program's trying to do something in NFS, and it can't reach the server, you'll want to kill the process, right? I mean, that's fricking obvious. That's SO fricking obvious that a child of one, who's never used Unix, and whose first words were "Com. Mand. Dot Com" will be able to tell you that. But noooooooooooooooo you have to TELL the effing kernel SPECIFICALLY that you're going to actually want to KILL HUNG PROCESSES otherwise it will NOT BLOODY WELL LET YOU. Linus, if it was YOU that set the BRAINDEAD default to NOT "intr", then here, now, ahtside! Otherwise give the bastard who did this a slap for me, cheers. But anyway, to cut a long story short, "intr" will allow you to kill hung processes that were waiting on NFS traffic that'll never arrive. You definitely want to set this in your fstabs and mount -o options. Even if you ignore bg and soft, please, set this one.
    "man nfs" in Linux will list these options and many more. At the very least use -o bg,intr unless you've got a very good reason to do otherwise.

    OS X users are SOL, unfortunately, as I can't see anywhere in the OS where you can set these options except, presumably, if you want to do low-level by-pass-the-Finder stuff which creates a whole new kettle of worms. Kettle of fish. Can of worms. Something like that.

    Funny thing is that with these options set, and with either common passwd files across your machines or a well set up kerberos, NFS becomes an absolute joy to use. Yes, NFS. You heard me right...

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