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GIF Patent Prepares to Expire

pajamacore writes "It's worth noting that 20 June 2003 is GIF Liberation Day, the day on which US Patent 4,558,302 expires. The patent describes the LZW compression algorithm used in .gif files. That said, maybe the prices of image editing applications will drop slightly when corporations don't have to pay fees to Unisys."

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  1. Or not... by VertigoAce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That said, maybe the prices of image editing applications will drop slightly when corporations don't have to pay fees to Unisys.

    Or maybe they'll figure that the vast majority of their customers won't know and they'll pocket the savings.

    1. Re:Or not... by VJoseph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But when you think about software like Photoshop, how much of the price really comes from paying royalties to Unisys? It can't really be large enough to have any real impact on the price.

    2. Re:Or not... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe they'll figure that the vast majority of their customers won't know and they'll pocket the savings.

      That would only work if there was a monopoly on image editing applications. Otherwise, if one company tried to pocket the savings, another would undercut that company and take all its customers.

    3. Re:Or not... by damiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For 99% of the work a non-professional would need to do, it is just as good as Photoshop. If you're a professional and you need those extra features, then you can afford Photoshop.

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    4. Re:Or not... by matthewn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the Gimp is no match for Photoshop.
      I'm guessing that either: 1. You are working with images for a living, in which case, you can afford the investment in Photoshop. (The rest of us don't miss much of what's missing in the Gimp.) *** OR *** 2. You're one of those people who moans about the Gimp's UI. (It doesn't suck. It just isn't like Photoshop's.)

      The Gimp is free. It's also Free. The Gimp rocks.

    5. Re:Or not... by SEE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even then, undercutting your competition is a very poor business decision in many cases; ask K-Mart and other deep-discounters, or perhaps the airline industry, how price warfare worked for them.

      It worked quite well for the companies that actually did the price undercutting, Wal-Mart and Southwest Airlines.

    6. Re:Or not... by zerocool^ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, I have a theory about pirating Photoshop.

      I don't think adobe cares if the average high school kid or script kiddie pirates Photoshop. Why? Brand familiarity.

      See, if someone pirates photoshop, they'll learn how to use it and get over the learning curve, etc. Then, when they move into a professional setting where they need a professional image editing program, they'll tell their technology guys they like photoshop, and the company will buy photoshop.

      Bam, sales for photoshop.

      Kinda like Quake, I think. Like how you could install it on all your friend's computers. Makes it popular.

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    7. Re:Or not... by dr00g911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's your beef with Adobe, anyhow? Hell, you've got stock?!?!?

      (throwing away previously modded points in this thread, simply because I don't get it)

      As far as huge software companies go, they're pretty benign in my view.

      And they make some absolutely excellent software. Again, my view, but I'm sure I can get someone around here to corroborate.

      Photoshop is the best piece of software out there for image manipulation. Bar none.

      Gimp may be nice, but it's not as easy to use and it doesn't have anywhere near the polish as its older brother.

      Same goes for After Effects/Film Gimp.

      PDF is wonderful. PDF is open.

      Try making your living as an artist, animator or effects guy using all open-source tools. It's possible, but way more trouble than it's worth.

      That's why I *buy* Adobe software, and that's why I run on a Mac platform as well. I'm fully capable of configuring and tweaking whatever linux distro is currently in vogue, and screwing with XFree so that windows don't lock (as) randomly. I just choose not to because my time is worth money, and honestly I get more work done faster in the more polished solution. Period.

      I mean, did John Warnock piss in your cornflakes or something?

  2. Oh yeah? by neurostar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That said, maybe the prices of image editing applications will drop slightly when corporations don't have to pay fees to Unisys.

    Ha! Hahaha. Like they'll drop their prices...

    I bet your typical photoshop user has no idea that GIFs are patented. Which means Adobe will feel no pressure whatsoever to lower prices. Besides, people will still pay $500 for photoshop. And the price drop would be what? maybe $20 max?

    neurostar
    1. Re:Oh yeah? by f97tosc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I bet your typical photoshop user has no idea that GIFs are patented. Which means Adobe will feel no pressure whatsoever to lower prices

      The question is not how well the end user understands the cost structure of producing software (of course they don't, and of course they have no clue that some patent expired.)

      The question is how competitive the market for these software products are. If it is competitive, prices will fall regardless of what the customer knows. Not out of the godness of the companies hearts, but because they will have to or lose business to the competition. Of course the opposite is true as well; everybody knows that CDs have a ridiculous markup but nothing is happening because that market is not competitive at all.

      Tor

    2. Re:Oh yeah? by Progman3K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look, the whole POINT of patents expiring is that they then pass into the public domain, to enrich us ALL and NO ONE has to be made to pay. It is indeed a benevolent idea.

      My company actually LEFT OUT .GIF support in our application, because we didn't want to force our clients to pay for the license.

      And now, we are going to ADD it and NOT increase our price for that.

      That's fair use of an expired patent.

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  3. Prices drop? by MrLint · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you mean kinda the same way that airline tickets drop when fuel prices drop? or the way phone services prices drop when govt. fees are removed? or perhaps you mean the way that cable tv prices dropped when they were deregulated and subject to 'free market' competition? /sarcasm/

  4. Re:It makes you wonder... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's going to continue to be superior to GIF. GIF is only useful today in the GIF89a flavor, which supports animations.

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  5. Look what happened to other patent holders... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Way back in the day, there was a company called Wang. Wang made terminals and stuff for the old mainframes, they also invented and patented the Single Inline Memory Module, or SIMM memory and the SIMM slot. Yes, they were the ones that thought of putting memory on a stick and plugging it into the motherboard. Prior to that, all the computer memory came soldered onto the motherboard. So, if you bought memory back in the day when it cost $45/meg, $1 of that was going to Wang. Wang was making huge bucks off their patent. It was their cash cow. Then the patent expired... Their cash cow quit giving milk, and they shriveled up. They got bought for a song in January 1999 by a company called Getronics. I guess thats what happens when you fail to innovate. I wonder what'll happen to Unisys...?

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  6. Re:Tell CmdrTaco you want PNG! by Dynedain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the problem w/ PNG not working in browsers is that alpha channel support is pretty sketchy (read not present in IE)

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  7. It will die. Thank Microsoft. by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Microsoft never implemented PNG properly, and apparently it is not a pressing need for them. Major sites cannot publish PNG using transparency as a result.

    I would love PNG to take off, but if IE support isn't there, its DOA.

  8. GIF can be useful by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On your average web page, you have lots of tiny gif files used for trying to enforce the idea of a static design on the user by padding with them.
    At least GIF is better suited here than PNG is -- a typical transparent spacer gif is 43 bytes.

    The rendering speed is also important, and here GIF is quite fast compared to many other formats.

    The combination of little overhead and fast and lossless decompression makes it well suited for anything that doesn't require either really high compression or lots of colours. Which is probably one reason why the Slashdot logo at the top of the page is a GIF and not a PNG.

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  9. better question to ask is... by vladkrupin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do we still need gifs? Other image formats are available that are free and superior. The reason we used to use gifs:
    - some rudimentary transparency
    - animation
    - decent file size (albeit poor colors - only 256!)

    As far as I know, all of those are available in PNG, including animation (MNG). Better color management, better compression, a lot better transparency, and even quite wide acceptance - all browsers I know of (except, maybe, Lynx) as well as a lot of apps support it.

    So, why are we rejoicing and getting ready to make available all that semi-illegal code of ours that writes gifs? I think it would be better for humanity if unisys just kept the stupid patent, and let the format die. While it is cool to have as many technologies/formats open, sometimes we need to "prune" them to get rid of the ballast and garbage accumulated over the years. Some things just need to die already (gif, dbf, 8.3 filenames, etc.). But they won't die by themselves fast because people are too used to them. So helping them die, even by bad means, like keeping a patent on them, seems to do more good than harm.

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  10. Thank you PNG... by clubin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... for helping us all realize just how irrelevant the expiration of the said patent is.

    May we all continue the push for superior and open technologies. Remember that GIF becoming royalty-free does not suddenly thrust it "back" into the position of superiority; cost is not the only factor. The royalty-free-ness of GIF alternatives like PNG were only icing on top of the cake. Consider the strengths and weaknesses of available technologies and choose what best fits.

    In other [somewhat old] news: MNG support has been removed from the Mozilla source tree. One of the minor rationalizations was that GIF's patent was due to be dying soon.

  11. Adobe helped put Skylarov in jail. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful
    5. Using a toothpick to undermine the foundations of the Adobe headquarters.

    People have to start somewhere to express their outrage at the corporation that helped put Dmitry Skylarov in jail. Fighting the DMCA is also very important, but Adobe should not be forgotten because they chose to leverage the DMCA against Skylarov. Fortunately a jury didn't see things Adobe's way.