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Neverwinter Nights for Linux
Marshall writes "Today I received an email from Tux Games that I never thought I'd get: confirmation that they were shipping me Neverwinter Nights complete with Linux installer! I didn't believe my eyes, so I checked out bioware's web page, and it was confirmed, the linux client is complete. Also check tuxgames.com which states that they are completing the installer and plan to ship games on Monday, 23 June."
Let's hope they plan on releasing the installer separately so I don't have to buy another copy of the game.
One of the great things about Neverwinter Nights was being able to play with a bunch of random folks on the Net.
With the Linux and Mac versions being so late, there's probably not nearly as many people still playing it now as there were, say, a year ago. Everyone playing the Windows version has played through the whole boxed module, plus a half dozen of the better fan-created modules.
The Linux gamers finally get the game, but they get a vastly diminished community. Contrast to, say, Enemy Territory, where all the Windows and Linux people are happily fragging each other and have been since even before the actual release.
I'm not sure anyone really cares that they're interfacing with Linux people or interfacing with Windows people, but having more people in the community playing the game can only make for better gaming.
unless I have completely missed something, I dont think there is any reason not to expect D3 on *nix. All other ID games do, why not this?
And what do they get in return? Well if this thread is to be believed, nothing but gripes and complaints. No wonder they don't want to break their nuts getting a Linux port out the door - they'll get headaches either way.
And the toolset hasn't been ported to Linux, mostly because Borland supposedly didn't come through with a compiler. And the Linux Client doesn't have movies becaue Bink's a little licensing bitch. And there's not an installer since they signed a bad contract with InstallSheild, who doesn't have a Linux version. Get over it. As Linux users you guys are supposed to be the "rebels" of the computer world - don't rebel and whine at the same time.
FYI, hit up the Bioware forums, there's a linky in there to get the toolset running in Linux using a hacked WINE. It's got some glitches but they're minor from what I've been told.
Also, get it right - Bioware didn't ship this game a year ago, Atari (then Infogrames) did. They had just spent a good load of cash getting Bioware away from Interplay and Bioware was in no position to tell them to sit on it a year.
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Off topic, but it would be nice if someone that has the completed client resource files create a bittorrent link and allow for quicker distribution than to wait in line in fileshack. Just a thought...
Now, if Adobe could just employ the same common sense as Bioware and start porting their line of applications to Linux it would send the Linux Desktop soaring!
What the hell are you waiting for?
Its not a Linux version - its a Linux x86 version. IT doesn't work on my Linux Alpha box, or the Linux Sparc box, so as far as I'm concerned - it doesn't work on any of my linux boxes so they are wrong in saying its out for Linux.
It really annoys me when people say their software runs on Linux and it turns out to be Linux x86 - because they only release it as binary and they only compile it up for x86 boxes.
Perhaps when people realise that there is more to Linux that x86, then they can truly say "It works on Linux".
Sadly, no. It will take a lot more than two games to get this gamer anywhere near taking Linux seriously as a gaming platform. I go through more than two games in a week.
It's a shame, really. I know that technically Linux has all it takes, but until game companies start taking it anywhere _near_ seriously, well, it doesn't start to count as a gaming platform.
I recommend downloading Gentoo's Unreal Tournament bootable CD if you want to demo native Linux gaming for some non-believers
And "demo it to non-believers" is one thing I wouldn't do, either. Sorry, it's not there yet. In fact, if anyone really is a gamer, my honest advice would be not to even think about Linux to that end. Use it for your firewall, use it for editing docs in StarOffice, heck, maybe even for browsing the web. But for gaming it's _not_ the OS I'd recommend to anyone.
Also I recommend transgaming for Windows games on Linux. Warcraft 3, Ghost Recon, Max Payne to name a few games that run under Winex3
... if you don't have anything better to do than spend a week configuring the damn thing to even run at all. And going through the usual Linux routine of "the app wants version 42.5.1 of some library, but everything else on the system was compiled with the incompatible 43.18.9 version, while the video card drivers can't possibly be installed without the 41.2.6 version, and is incompatible with the beta AGP drivers. And oh, each of them wants a completely different and incompatible version of 42 other libraries." So you spend a month just tracking the dependencies and downloading and compiling everything, just to play a game. No, thanks.
You see, gaming is about, you know, _games_. Strange concept, I know.
It's _not_ about feeling macho that you could recompile X and the kernel to run some 2 year old 2D game. _That_ is not something that your average gamer thinks of as fun.
Your average gamer wants ideally something like the Playstation 2 that you mention: where you can just pop in a CD, and it just works.
Don't get me wrong, I'm aware than the Winex does the best it can, and is remarkable from a technical point of view. But even with that, I still wouldn't recommend Linux as a gaming platform to anyone who isn't already a total nerd. (In which case they'll have so much fun recompiling the kernel, that they don't need more than a game per year anyway.)
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Bioware got a lot of press around these parts for their promise of concurrent Linux and MacOS releases. They screwed up. Badly. Not only did they miss a concurrent release... but they've missed it by over a year (considering the MacOS isn't 1.0 yet and the caveats with the Linux version).
It is also a valid point that they got further delayed by technology they didn't own. Borland, Bink, and InstallSheild didn't help. But then, Bioware is supposed to be a professional outfit. Where was the process that ensured the technology being used would be cross platform?
Bioware's savings grace is that they've slogged through the experience and are finally delivering... more or less. It seems they are trying to make good, despite obvious inexperience in doing this kind of thing. Maybe they've learned enough to make the next time (and I hope there is a next time) go smoother. After all, other game houses have managed to pull this off.
The Bioware guys seem to be honest enough to admit to their mistakes and take the criticism. And they deserve that criticism. Keep in mind that they are selling commercial software. If their Windows release had the same issues as the Linux version, they'd get the same criticism and more. You wouldn't have people saying "we should all buy this despite how rough it is... after all, they could have just made a version for the PS2 and ignored Windows."
Having said all that - there is that saving's grace. Its a good game. They're trying. And they're doing a decent enough job at delivering. I'll be buying my copy today after work. I'll even buy the expansion set if its available.
But I'll still point out when and where they screwed up. As well as where they succeeded.
Nobody is above contructive criticism.
I suppose the Windows version isn't for Windows either then, as I couldn't run it on Windows NT 4 for Alpha...
Seriously, I mean, that's just like saying "this is not a Ford engine -- it doesn't fit in my Ford Escort. Perhaps when people realise that there is more to Ford than Mondeo, then they can truly say 'It works on Ford'."
Yeah, keygen programs work fine for playing it single-player, but not for doing anything that has to contact their server (downloads from their website, multiplayer, etc).
I know because my husband and I wanted to play together, but there's no way we're buying two copies of a game for one household. But, fortunately, we're playing on a LAN, so we just decided that NWN didn't need to have any external internet contact while we're playing to check on CD keys and send who-knows-what other information.
But at least buy one copy of the game -- it's not even that expensive, anyway.
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I suspect the reason why Linux gaming hasn't taken off is because alot of "users" have Linux installed on a pos secondary computer stashed somewhere in the corner of the laundry room and not on their main system where the serious hardware is.
Neverwinter Nights (as sweet a game as it looks) will need some serious power to run it, and a significant number of units sold for it to be worthwhile.
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Windows users have a fair point that not many games are released for Linux because the market is less than 5% of the Windows market.
You can't seriously tell us you expect them to support about 5% of the Linux market.
If you have an Alpha linux box, it's not so you can play games on it. It's because you're serious about what you're doing. And if you are good at what you're so serious about doing, you can afford to buy a cheap-as-buscuits x86 system.
But email them and complain, by all means. Maybe you can ask them if it will run on the latest $10,000 professional GPU, and if they can write support for those lasergun things you point at the screen. Those are cool. Oh, Oh, Oh, and force feedback. Gotta have force feeeeeeeeedbaaaaaack!
People like you are why we have to deal with Sen. Hatch and the RIAA assholes.
Thanks a lot.
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Yes, because spending my life playing XBill, Tuxracer, and the original Doom is my idea of a great time. I know, graphics aren't what makes a good game, but there are maybe five games on that list with the polish that you'd expect in a commercial Windows game these days.
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Its not a Linux version - its a Linux x86 version. IT doesn't work on my Linux Alpha box, or the Linux Sparc box, so as far as I'm concerned - it doesn't work on any of my linux boxes so they are wrong in saying its out for Linux.
It really annoys me when people say their software runs on Linux and it turns out to be Linux x86 - because they only release it as binary and they only compile it up for x86 boxes.
Perhaps when people realise that there is more to Linux that x86, then they can truly say "It works on Linux"
Hello, my name is Stiggle, and I am a stuck up ass hole of a loser. I don't understand the mutability of terms, and fail to comprehend why the whole world doesn't bow to minority tastes. I am uber-pissed that idiot companies like Blizzard say that their games are for the home Personal Computer, because it won't run on MY home Personal Computer, which is they very common and highly esteemed VT100 terminal. What is with these ass holes not catering to my every whim anyway? I'm the most important person in the world, and I get tired of people not recognizing that fact! Fuck all of you who think you matter, because dammit you don't! Screw market share, fuck profits. I want my game dammit! MINE MINE MINE!
Yes, you are right, it is not a linux version, it won't run on PS2 and Zaurus! Let's not forget all the other linux devices! Down with Never Winter Nights! Only support TRUE linux developers!
Now that I got that sarcasm out of my system, may I suggest that anyone who wants to see more Linux games buy NWN, even if you won't play it. I am not into that game, but I feel that I should support it, so I am buying the Linux version.
If it does well enough, it might convince other developers to make linux versions of their games.
Then through hope and the grace of God we might be free of the Microsoft beast!
Or am I just crazy?
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It's one of the only times a company has made an in-house port of the game. Not just another 3D Tetris or something, but a real gamer's game.
Tribes and Heavy Gear certainly were great thanks to the efforts of Loki, don't get me wrong. And we have SDL, Loki_update, and some other great tools thanks to Loki.
However, when Loki went out of business, support for most of their games got dropped as well. You could not call up a company like Sierra and ask for Tribes 2 support for Linux. Patches were also discontinued. In the case of Tribes 2, it was just luck that Sam Lantinga was working for Sierra (Blizzard, to be more specific) and was allowed to patch the Linux version as well.
Bioware has made a commitment. They will always support Linux. They will, not a third party who may go out of business at some point while the game is still being developed. In-house porting is what makes the Linux port of NWN so signifficant.