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RIAA Not Done With Jesse Jordan

digime writes "In a recent Slashdot article it was reported that 19-year-old college student Jesse Jordan gave up his life savings to the RIAA for running a campus search engine. He has recovered over 83% of his savings lost to the RIAA, and his search engine is back up. "The RIAA started yelling and tried to rescind my order of dismissal after they signed it because of comments that I made on CNN.", Jordan says on his site. "A very well-known top lawyer at the RIAA, while making threats of further legal actions, referred to himself as a 'dentist' that I would not want to 'have another visit with'"

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  1. It is time for a major BOYCOTT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And a clearly-spoken public campaign to discredit these scum at the RIAA. The "dentist" can go fuck himself. The threat by this "top" RIAA attorney is assault and he needs to be criminally prosecuted.

  2. thr0d ps1t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the big problems with our legal system is that it is easy to bully someone with a frivolous lawsuit when they can't afford the time or money to defend themselves. As the defendant pointed out, a lawsuit against AltaVista would have just as much justification behind it (little to none) but they didn't go after them because AltaVista can afford to defend themselves.

    1. Re:thr0d ps1t by AftanGustur · · Score: 3, Insightful


      One of the big problems with our legal system is that it is easy to bully someone with a frivolous lawsuit when they can't afford the time or money to defend themselves.

      Exactly, some countries have 'justice system', USA has 'legal system' ...

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  3. Re:No new CDs by AntiOrganic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey now, the RIAA is just the Recording Industry Association of America. There are plenty of foreign labels like Century Media, Spinefarm, and Nuclear Blast that have plenty of artists to offer.

  4. I love America by TripleA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep in mind that it is companies like this, aggressive, immoral capitalists, that run the USA through their lobbying organisations. No wonder daddy's boy has also started his way to bullying the world into WW3.

    1. Re:I love America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      if they can buy lobbiest so can other groups such as the EFF
      The problem with this is that the RIAA has money from all its member companies whereas pretty much all of the EFF's funds contributions come from donations. Furthermore a good portion of the EFF's donated resources are not MONEY but TIME, i.e. Lawyers working for significantly less money than they would in a private practice or for no money at all, interns working for free etc.

      The EFF is a CHARITY whereas the RIAA is an INDUSTRY ORGANIZATION. They have very different abilities as such. Furthermore, the power of these two organizations is not proportional to the interests of people in this country. The RIAA fundamentally is a representative of the interests of the record industry, whereas the EFF is really more about representing the rights of the consumer.
  5. Search engine might be "back online," but... by AntiOrganic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "06/19/03: The ChewPlastic Campus Search Engine is currently available to the public as a demonstration of the site as it was. NOTE: The files listed through the results on this site are fictitious - they DO NOT EXIST. This means that you cannot download them because they are fake computers on a fake network. While there is a small assortment of files listed in the search engine, they are not meant to represent the actual assortment of files available during the Search Engine's operation."

    Oh, how useful.

    1. Re:Search engine might be "back online," but... by TinoMNYY24 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Before you get all sarcastic about the search engine being back up, consider the original article. The search engine was set up to search a large college network. What month is it? That's right, it's June. There's no school in June. The search engine wil lbe back up in August, and will be fully operational before the beginning of September. If the search engine worked right now, you'd be able to search for files in Jesse's house, and you wouldn't be able to download those files unless you were actually in his house.

      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
      -Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773.

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  6. hmmm.... by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I read your dismissal action correctly, you are prohibited from trading/transmitting/etc/etc/ad nauseum any sort of copyrighted works via your phynd service.

    It also states that the "defendant shall not engage in or sell" software that encourages copying, trading, blah, blah, blah.

    How are you keeping your Phynd service up again(or are you just offering it for download)? Is it your contention that your software is intended to do nothing of the sort (ie. just a tool to be used for good OR evil)? That's the only loophole I can see in that document... anyone better with legalese than myself find something different?

    I'm a little confused here.

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    1. Re:hmmm.... by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think your pdf viewer automatically detects and removes the word "Plaintiff's". Because what you said is true if you insert "Plaintiff's".

      He is prohibited from trading/transmitting Plaintiff's copyrighted works.

      The defendant shall not engage in or sell software that encourages copying of Plaintiff's copyrighted works.

      He is obligated to implement measures which attempt to prevent the illegal copying of RIAA's (well their member company's) copyrighted materials. And if RIAA ever implements a system to prevent finding of this copyrighted material, he must implement it in his phynd service.

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  7. Double Jeopardy by nuggz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not if you do it twice.

  8. From Slashdot? by Wind_Walker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yeah, right. Just like we're boycotting Blizzard because of their bnet.d hassles... oh wait, we ran a story on the release and expansion of Warcraft III.

    Well, the MPAA is horrible and is taking away rights! But hell, here comes X-2, The Hulk, Lord of the Rings, etc.

    The Slashdot crowd is all about boycotts, except when it makes life inconvenient for them. Then they'll pony up to the bar faster than... something that ponies up to the bar really quick.

    1. Re:From Slashdot? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Slashdot crowd is all about boycotts, except when it makes life inconvenient for them. Then they'll pony up to the bar faster than... something that ponies up to the bar really quick.

      Just like nearly everyone. You don't think all those rednecks pouring wine in the gutter actually drank French Wine, do you? Know how many anti-smoking people I know who eat Oreos? How many anti-SUV people would actually refuse a ride in one when a friend pulled up in the pouring rain?

    2. Re:From Slashdot? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and would it matter to them if we did end up boycotting them? I highly doubt it. They are not interested in the small, insignificant groups that complain about them.

      99% of the population has NO idea what the RIAA/MPAA is until they get busted for downloading Spiderman Divx.

  9. RIAA behaving like criminals by bani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...well, the RIAA was caught price fixing, and settled rather than face conviction, so I guess it's only expected that they should behave like criminals :)

  10. RIAA makes example of him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... he makes example of RIAA, RIAA makes another example of him, blah blah blah. Why don't they just get it over with and have one of their labels sign him to a 3 album deal - that way they can fuck him whenever they want!

  11. Re:...Teach him! by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, this has nothing to due with flaws in the American system. If his comments to CNN violate the terms of the settlement, then the RIAA is fully in its rights to rescind all benefits from that dismissal.

    Now, I am not sure - glancing at the interviews and the dismissal agreement - whether or not he's violated it or not. Frankly, thats for someone with a more precise legal background to handle than me. But thats the key issue: we simply cannot rant against the RIAA unless we first confirm that they're doing anything wrong.

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  12. Community insurance ?! by teorem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, he recovered 83% of his lost savings through donation.
    Good for him, nice of the donators !
    But I don't think we ("the community") will be able to support a lot of people in its situation.
    Does it mean that we (all of us) should find in our usual insurance contracts if they cover our responsibility wrt to our programming activities ?

  13. Re:No new CDs by nafmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know, but in the age of the USian megacoprs owning almost every recording company on the planet, it's hard to figure out which ones are the good guys.

    If there are any. I'm not sure, it seems like most recording companies are getting buyer-hostile these days.

  14. Re:Yeah! by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the RIAA would back off a bit if most of their legal attack squad and mayhaps their fearless leader all had glorious meetings with a large bullets.

    ...which is exactly why organized crime families should run p2p networks.

  15. Mafia by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    More and more, I associate the *AA with the Mafia. Their real source of power is intimidation, usually through carefully chosen lawsuits against financially unprepared defendants. (First Amendment? Not if it goes against *AA interests! *AA uber alles!! Sieg heil!)

    Oh, and strategically placed "campaign contributions".

    If that bit about "visiting the dentist" is accurate, I hope he gets his teeth knocked out in some unfortunate freak accident with a ballpeen hammer.

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    1. Re:Mafia by kien · · Score: 2, Insightful
      you mean MAFIAA

      Finally, an acronym to replace all the various **IA, (MP|RI)AA, etc. etc. Nice one, Tibor!

      I just hope the real Family doesn't take offense. Historically, they've had much more business sense than the entertainment cartels.

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  16. Re:No new CDs by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The European companies are just as bad. Indies might be ok, but most of them are pretty deep in bed with the biggies just to survive too. I only buy from bands directly. There are actually some really good musicians out there selling CDs pressed on their own computer. Go to gigs. If you like em, buy their CD.

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  17. Re:Dentist... how appropriate by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where can we get a list of RIAA mailing addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses?

  18. ??AA Needs nose thumped by buss_error · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "The RIAA started yelling and tried to rescind my order of dismissal after they signed it because of comments that I made on CNN.", Jordan says on his site. "A very well-known top lawyer at the RIAA, while making threats of further legal actions, referred to himself as a 'dentist' that I would not want to 'have another visit with'" It's obvious that RIAA is upset because now the object lesson of their terror campaign isn't projected the properly meek and submissive attitude to the world.

    Sounds like another SLAPP suit on the way.

    To those that are still buying RIAA music or MPAA movies, how does it feel to be part of the problem, jerk?
    To those that are not buying RIAA music or MPAA movies, feels good being a small part of the solution, doesn't it?

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  19. "The artists" by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the have in common, also, is something that really pisses me off - they always invoke "the artist" and the artists rights when they pull this crap. The Sonny Bono act was touted as a victory for, exampled, Harold Lloyd, the silent film star whose films were going to go into public domain. He's been dead for years, but it was being treated as his victory because his grand-daughter would be able to restrict distribution of his old films, and make a profit on them.

    The idea that "the artist" - which is really a misnomer, since the term should be "whoever happens to own the rights to a work" - has some God-given right to perpetual profit from and control of their work - is untenenble. I certainly don't: I do my work for hire, and if I want more money, I have to do more work. But the Bonos and the RIAA and MPAA seem to think that an "artist's" granddaughter not having to work for a living is more important than an open society and a free discourse about the cultural works in it.

  20. Danegeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When the Danes first came to England, they were paid to leave without looting. The next year they were back, saying "pay us to leave again."

    It makes no sense to give anything to these litigational terrorists. Not money, not in taking down a web site, and definitely not in buying their CDs.

  21. Re:No new CDs by devilspgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or they'll just blame pirating on continuing loss of sales, and use it as an excuse to hijack our rights even further.

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  22. This is proof of how sleazy the RIAA is.. by Newer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "My fundamental view is that people should not be able to walk away from a deal they've made.", says RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen in response to California issues over artist contracts. It would seem to follow that the RIAA should understand the concept of a legally binding agreement. If an artist signs a contract and then later decides that they don't like the terms of that contract, the labels should understand now because that is exactly what they did with my dismissal (my dismissal is a legally binding agreement)".

    This quote from his webpage says it all... The RIAA obeys the laws when it benefits them...and flouts them when it benefits THEM!. It's only too bad that they have such deep pockets with which to bribe Congress. Their arrogance will prove to be their undoing in the long run though. Only freaks like Orrin Hatch will be left once that happens..and frankly I think Hatch is so far out on the lunatic fringe that he's more a liability then an asset for them these days