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JVC Announces Media-Centric Pocket PCs

An anonymous reader writes "infoSync World writes about two new high-end Pocket PC models from JVC, the MP-PV131 and MP-PV331. Running on Windows Mobile 2003, the Pocket PCs boast 128 MB SDRAM, built-in Wi-Fi and MPEG4 video and audio streaming and capture capabilities. The new devices are also equipped with software for use along with JVC camcorders. The new models will be available in the U.S. in September at $499.95 US and $599.95 US respectively"

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  1. Meh by SHEENmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All PDA development seems to be geared toward media and organization.

    Some of us (geeks/coders) just want a portable UNIX system. I wish the Debian/Zaurus port wasn't abandoned. X11 on such a thing would kick some serious ass.

    Anyways, if you want more than a gameboy/organizer, check out the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500. The 5600 really skimps on RAM, so ignore it.

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    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      X11 sucks on PDA since it make it usable ( meaning run some apps) you would have to install various toolkits which is really stupid considering the size of memory on these devices.
      I mean, it is bad enough without having motif, gtk, qt and some other .so libraries around ....

    2. Re:Meh by mao+che+minh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How economically feasible is it to sell a decent PDA with a portable Unix OS and develop Unix drivers for it's hardware, and then write and/or port applications to it? How much of these could you hope to sell? This is what the open source community is for: if you desire a small niche, take it upon yourself to develop it - or even better, find the rest of that small niche and develop it together.

      As a side note, the intricities of X11 are not well suited to a PDA. It just simply isn't "light" enough.

  2. Re:Too expensive by rice_web · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, when the specs of PDAs aren't "creeping up and up" but rather increasing exponentially, it takes time for the prices to settle. The fact that nearly all the chips are coming from Intel can't help lower prices any.

    This, and a lack of demand in the handheld market has kept prices high. Everybody already has a Palm--a IIIxe or older--and most everyone feels that they have enough.

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  3. Of course by JanusFury · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, the battery will only last an hour if you do anything intensive like that.

    I don't see any reason to buy a PDA if the battery only lasts a few hours under heavy load, and that's what I've seen of most PDAs these days. I remember when people would run their PDAs on AA batteries and they didn't need to replace them more than once a month.

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  4. Convienence by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, they (cheap PCs) can. But, that cheap 233mhz system also utilizes and IDE drive, a PCI bus with a PCI video card with at least 16MB of memory, a large operating system complete with at least 200MB of files, and a myriad of drivers and programs. A simple low-end PDA doesn't have the luxury of these things. Pocket PCs or "high-end" PDAs like the $400+ Sony Clies have all kinds of innovations that can. These innovations cost money.

    Besides, you can't lug a cheap 233mhz Pentium system around in your pocket. You pay for convienence.

  5. Re:I smell a smash hit. by rco3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I smell something less savory.

    Even consumer DV cameras use 25 Mbit/s video streams. You might (might!) get one channel of video over an 802.11g link. To do multiple angles means multiple access points - that's a separate ethernet run over to the access point, which has to be fairly close to the camera... and trust me: even relatively inexpensive camera cables are more durable than Ethernet.

    This is all assuming that the Pocket PC is capable of actually taking the DV stream in and firing it back out over WiFi - presumably 802.11b, which can't handle the datastream anyway.

    I'm betting (having been there, thanks) that very few small TV stations are willing to trust multicamera setups to DV and Windows of any stripe.

    It's a nice thought, though. Maybe in 5 or 10 years, OK?

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  6. Funny, I'm not at all excited.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, unless it's just me, I sense a general malaise about the whole PDA thing. Companies keep launching the "next greatest thing in pocket PCs", but I just don't see mass numbers of people adopting/using them.

    Basically, they still feel like "toys for the man who has everything" and "nifty prizes to win in a contest" more than "must have" items.

    I'm still using a Kyocera 6035 combo cellphone/PalmPilot, and I really don't find myself needing such things as "128 megs. of RAM" or streaming video in it. I simply keep a few important addresses and phone numbers in it, use an applet every once in a blue moon that turns the phone into an alarm clock, and regularly read news items on it via "AvantGo" software.

    As people keep saying (but the manufacturers don't seem to be listening), long battery life is more useful than thousands of colors and tons of storage space. When I need a computer, I want a full-size keyboard to type on and a screen large enough to read easily. I'll deal with the extra size of a slim laptop. When I don't, I just want something with the basics in it - and no extra flash.

    1. Re:Funny, I'm not at all excited.... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Agreed.

      What is great about simple Palms is great batter life and reliability.

      I need an alarm, TODO list, pim, calander, and maybe a game like Tetris. Thats it.

      PocketPC's alarm system is not reliable, the battery life is limited, pocket word/excell really suck( especially without a keyboard).

      You also have to ask yourself how much video's and mp3's could you fit in a pda?

      It supports dvd playback. WOOAA. But how can you play a dvd on it? You probably need a big bulky external device.

      The newer handsprings have video, color, and audio support, internet browsing, extra, and have all the apps.

      If you need a pda and I mean pda, not a laptop then a Palm is a good buy.

      If you need all the features described above then maybe a full laptop might be better suited.

      Long live Palm.

  7. Check out those prices by Pettifogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Did anyone else notice that these prices are creeping awfully close to that of a laptop? I know they're bigger, but laptops are getting thinner and are usually fully-fledged computers. If I wanted to watch movies and do heavy media applications, I'd much rather have a laptop.

    I don't have a PDA (I still keep a spiral bound small calendar, nothing I've seen beats it so far, though I keep hoping) but if I did, it'd be more for scheduling/calendar and keeping track of phone numbers.

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    1. Re:Check out those prices by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is all marketware by Microsoft in order to kill Palm.

      I agree. If you do professional video editiing, an Apple Powerboor or Ibook is a much better buy.

      Come on guys. You need storage and not a 64 meg stick to do video editing.

      I pefer palms because they are best at what they are designed to do. That is act like a pda.

      The apps are great too, including the browser for the color handsprings, free vnc, ssh, and vpn clients, etc. Try that with a pocket pc?

      The most important thing is battery life though and I am sure these dvd playing large Apple Newtons, grrr I mean pocket pc's have shitty battery life if you try watch mpegs all day with them.

  8. Re:Too expensive by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Belive it or not, Pocket PC prices have been falling steadily over the last few years. The JVC device costs less that $500 and includes 802.11b and several card slots, but a first generation iPaq cost upwards of $550 before you bought the expansion sled. To spend that kind of money on a Pocket PC now, you'd need to buy a Phone Edition version, and even that's getting pretty hard.

    This is because of the economics of the device market more than anything else. Customers will pay a premium for useful features like 802.11b, but the BOM cost is heavily driven by the screen, the battery, and the CPU. It's more profitable to take a sloppy but reliable reference design and simply slap a few premium features on it than it is to do the extensive optimization of circuit board layout and power supply to make a profit at the low end.