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Linux Router Project Dead
An anonymous reader submits: "The Linux Router Project is no more. This single-floppy distro was a great tool for building a number of simple super-low-cost network devices. The maintainer has a lot of bitter words about its demise, and it is sad to see it go."
This was to be expected, as Netcraft recently reported that the already beleaguered Linux Router Project had really low numbers, consistent with the number of Usenet posts.
In all seriousness though, it's sad to see a good project go.
Vonal Declosion
His site is now well and truly slashdotted
"I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
I think it's the smell of burning bridges...
"Dead" is probably a little overstated, but open source burnout is a real problem for small teams. A product that becomes popular makes great demands on one's time, and when times are hard financially, this quickly turns into a losing situation.
Maybe I'll start a counselling centre for desperate OSS programmers...
Q. I feel inadequate, I have thousands of users asking for features, but I can't deliver _and_ keep my family fed. -- Frantic, IL
Dear Frantic,
Even the best software companies take their time adding features. Don't believe everything you hear about "internet time". Good products of any kind take years to build. Relax. Take your time.
Q. I'm working all my free time on project X, but no-one seems to care. Sure, my users love it, but in job interviews, it's worth nothing. -- Pissed Off, CA
Dear Off (or should I call you Pissed?),
Don't confuse art and business, and for that matter, don't mix them either. OSS is art, you do it because it makes you feel great. Only if you are a truly great artist will people appreciate your work, and you usually have to die first. Get a day job on other merits - perhaps a nice tie - and do your art when the inspiration takes you.
Q. how do I make money from my OSS project? -- Destidude, NY
Dear Destidude,
Money? Did you start it for money? Nah. You started it because you thought "hey, I can do that?" Let me remind you of a basic rules of business: if you want to make money, find a group who have money to spend and make something they want. Who are you selling to? Do they have money? Right. Now stop complaining and change your CV to include "Open Source Migration Consultant".
Sig for sale or rent. One previous user. Inquire within.
the linux router project homepage is no more
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Truly an american icon.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
When look to the tooth fairy for help, don't be surpised when you get smashed in the mouth.
Maybe now that project page has been /.'d that more people are aware of its demise and may lend a hand to revive it? Either it will get it's 1-2 days of fame and then be forgotten about or there might be a resurgence in working on it again?
I think we burned a hole in his floppy disk from 9 million drive seeks in 1 second.
Well, as he said, he can't eat boxes with blue power LEDs. He was mostly in need of someone paying him to get something to eat, not machines.
The only people that get paid to do what they love are porn stars.
Yeah, that's what I used to think until I started acting in porn movies. Most of the women I've worked with are seriously f***ed up and no small percentage of them are on drugs. I'm tired of having to cup my hands under their breasts to hide the scars from the implants. I'm sick of getting into all kinds of contorted positions so that the bimbos' tattoos don't make it look like I'm f***ing a biker chick. I dread getting tested for STDs every few months. The "scripts" read like something written by Beavis and Butthead. The pay is lousy if you are a man and even the women don't make as much as you might think. Many of them do the movies just so that they can rake in the bucks at personal appearances where they sign autographs or dance at sleazy strip joints as the "celebrity porn star" of the week. Everybody thinks I'm soo lucky to have a 9" schlong and to be in porn movies. Well, it's not so great as you might think. Okay, I just made up that whole thing, but I had fun screwing with people's minds.
The Linux Router Project is no more.
It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This project is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it'd be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, It's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-PROJECT!!
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy"
Ooooh, a bridge troll! ;)
No, I'm not giving you my money.
Nothing like going out in a /.ing Blaze Of Glory
I don't want a pickle; I just want a Motor-Cycle! A four foot cop arrived with a five foot gun!
Rather than post what you wrote, all I can say is "Bravo!"
This guy'll be sitting on a park bench 10 years from now ranting and raving about his operating system that moved away from all that Unix shit as he feeds the pigeons and drinks his Thunderbird...
Ahh come on, admit the real reason... you only used one bit to keep track of the number of projects ;)
June the 24th, 2003, was much like any other summer's day in Peterborough, and David Cinege, a frustrated, unemployed computer programmer, was on his usual way to look for a windfall of money is his mailbox when --- Nothing happened! (dum dum da dum) Scarcely able to believe his eyes, David Cinege looked down. But one glance confirmed his suspicions. Behind a bush, on the side of the road, there was *no* severed arm. No dismembered trunk of a man in his late fifties. No head in a bag. Nothing. Not a sausage. For David Cinege, this was *not* to be the start of any trail of events which would not, in no time at all, involve him in neither a tangled knot of suspicion, nor any web of lies, which would, had he been not involved, surely have led him to no other place, than the central criminal court of the Old Bailey. (muttering voices, Judge's gavel banging.)
But it was not to be (ominous music returns). David Cinege returned to his basement in Dulls-ells Street in Peterborough, at 9:05 a.m., exactly the same time as every other morning!
(door opens)
"Morning, David"
"Morning, Mum"
David's Mum, a middle age but still attractive schoolteacher, couldn't help noticing the complete absence of tiny but tell-tale blood stains on her son's clothing. Nor did she notice anything strange in Mr. Cinege's behaviour that whole morning. Nor the next morning. Nor at any time before or since the entire period since David began his odd morning journeys to the mailbox.
"Have we any more frosted pop-tarts, Mum?"
"Yes, they're over there, David."
(faintly) "Oh..."
But for the lack of any untold circumstances for his mum to notice, and the total non-involvement of Mr. Cinege in anything illegal, the forweight of the law would insure that David "piss off" Cinege would have ended up like all who challenge the fundamental laws of our society. In an iron coffin with spikes on the inside.
Yeah, that can be tiring... ;-)
Perhaps we should start designing a system to get voluntary payments from users to hackers? I'm currently mostly a user, and if simple and secure enough, I would certainly send a coin now and then. Paypal certainly doesn't cut it, so you don't need to mention that...
Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
Move on then. Better still, take up plumbing.
Am I the only person here who is getting tired of all the network types who were too short sighted to realise they were in a boom in around 2000? Why didn't you use some of that boom-money on preparing for the (blindingly obvious) normality that followed.
For Christ's sake, what do those programmers eat?? With a few thousand Dollars, I can eat for a year or longer...
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
In other news, SCO inc. sued the creators and users of Freesco for $1Billion for vague IP infringement which they refused to disclose. Then Cisco suggested the IP in question was probably theirs and sued the Freesco project as well. Then SCO sued Cisco, resulting in an infinite loop which caused all lawsuits involving companies with the letter sco in their name and unix IP to vanish in a puff of logic, and we all lived happily ever after. The End. :)
The point about GPL is that you can't get ripped off. If they rip you off,...
Error number ADR: Contradiction alert!!
Aborting analysis of argument. Invalid opening parameters.
Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
That's only impressive if it was lossless compression.
Just as I wondered how the Internet was supposed to generate money, I ofen wonder how Programmers in the future will expect to be paid...
My prediction is that just like the internet, pornography will prove to be the only way for programmers to make money. Prostituting their bodies online to make profits. I foresee that in time this will lead to a generation of really sexy female programmers who look great but can't code for shit. The programmer version of Anna Kournikova if you will.
I'm not arguing with your main point here, but praise and acknowledgement suck monkey balls. I'm generally "acknowledged" as one of the best at my job in my department, sometimes I'm told I'm the best. I'm "praised" when I find/fix a problem that nobody else could figure out. It hasn't gotten me jack or shit.
I used to get all warm and fuzzy inside over it, but after two years of getting the "maximum" raise of 4% plus the general 3% cost of living raise, I'm about sick and tired of praise and acknowledgement. As a matter of fact, I wish I didn't get either, since it's become annoying to me that I have to pretend to give a fuck. If I didn't, my psychotic managers would start screwing me over at every opportunity because their feelings would be hurt, and I would actually end up being penalized for doing a better job than 98% of the people I work with!
Fuck praise and acknowledgement, fuck them in their stupid asses. Show me the money, and stop making me work 'till midnight on Friday.
"Verbing weirds language." -- Calvin
Giving away code - good code - has many other benefits:
  - Gain respect from your peers
  - Social aspects - make useful contacts, meet like-minded people
  - Improve your skills
  - Take advantage of the debugging/design power of peer review
  - Forestall possible attempts by others to patent ideas you've discovered independently
  - People will send you free computers
  - If you're good enough, expect to be invited to join organizations, speak at events, etc - it's fun.
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T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
You know, I've heard about guys like this, but I've never actually met one, or (knowingly) used any of their software.
Frightening... "technically" a convicted felon? Car chases? "Kill a cop"? Now, all the evidence we have on this is a few Usenet posts... anyone in the Tampa/St. Pete area care to verify that this is the same guy? If he's a felon, there's gotta be a public record of such.
And this guy is writing software I've actually explored using? We've got some unconventional thinkers in the Free Software movement, but I've never seen anything like this.
You know, you have freedom of speech in America, but you don't have freedom from other people's opinion of your speech. This is particularly important if you are dependant on the goodwill of others, or the public, for your livelihood (Helloooo Hollywood... Garafolo, Penn, et al). If you were an employer, would you employ an openly a radical Klansman, or a government-hating radical that advocates violence?
The answer is not only "No," it's "Hell no."
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
...since you obviously don't know how to use it.
Well gee! Fame isn't a recognized currency with an exchange rate and a central bank to back it up?
Well, I'll just have to throw this fame in the bin with talent, allure, shrewdness, ingenuity, dexterity because I can't get a lousy exchange rate at the local bank.
What am I going to do?
Seriously, aren't you in the business of converting your trolls into clicks and those clicks into currency?
I'd figure if a guy like you can convert trolls into currency, you'd have no trouble with exploiting fame.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
so incredibly automatic that it's nearly automatic
As, apparently, is my phrasing. A few bugs to work out there....
So he did he finally get around to legally changing his name to Linux Torvalds! I knew if would happen eventually. Now if only he could change that "Torvalds" to something catchier and sexier... perhaps "de Beaumarche".
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
Dear Sniveling Brat:
So you couldn't hack it as an Open Source hacker. Too fucking bad. Why do you feel these companies are entitled to give you ONE cent? You're the one that released your stuff under GPL, you only have yourself to blame. You either get to profit from your code, or release it to the world -- not both.
That being said, you're also unrealistic. The goals you laid out for your system are totally unreasonable! Why waste your time writing things that have been written already? How would you plan to have a universal packaging system when different distributions put files in different places?
If you want to do something that really benefits the community, GET OVER YOURSELF. Obviously you're not the uber-haxor you thought you were -- it sucks to realize that, but it happens to everyone.
Seeya! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
To make a long story somewhat shorter, Mr. Cinege unilaterally declared himself the "official" maintainer of portslave when I refused to blindly accept any patches he sent (which he did not create himself; the LRP was mostly, I believe, created from other people's work). He then added some very unprintable comments to his
This guy was and is a raving loon. I think his website posting is a plea for attention so he can feel more like part of the down-trodden anti-microsoft Linux-using masses, and because he thinks the world owes him a living, and wants charity.
I pity the next person who gives him a job.
If he was hit by a car tomorrow, I'd be worried that the car was damaged.
Am I being clear enough on my feelings here?
Erik
See?
Man, if its about the money, I hear they're hiring at Microsoft.
All people breathe, All people also sleep - therefore breathing causes sleeping - and everyone sleeping is also breathing at the same time!!!! WOW!!
Stupidhead, corelation is not causation, and this was a stupid logic error on your part.
(note: just because the logic stunk worse than M$ FUD doesn't mean it is wrong either, do the 'real' math and figure out the truth for yourself)