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Microsoft Steps Up Anti-Spam Efforts

An anonymous reader writes "Bill Gates announces new focus at Microsoft to abolish spam. Read the announcement titled Toward a Spam-Free Future."

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  2. One man's spam, is another's direct marketing... by jordandeamattson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All, just remember that the definition of spam is fluid. One person's spam is another's direct marketing.

    I don't think Microsoft will eb getting away from direct email marketing to those with whom they have an "established business relationship", but I think they will be working to put in place a process for dealing with UCE - unsolicited commercial email to use the FTC's term. Frankly, if you are using their free email service, I think you should be willing t receive their mailers (TANSTAFL.

  3. Re:bill, look up "irony" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I must remind everyone, the majority of people who orginally saw this got it from an email.

    That they did. However, the difference is that the people who saw it via email purposely subscribed to a mailing list in order to get it. It was not sent out unsolicited.

  4. This Scares Me by gerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows has obviously been trying for the last couple years to control every electronic medium it can get its hands on. And, everything it touches, turns to proprietary. And with the number of MS machines out there, and with the direction the government is running (allowing corporations to be police, ala *AA), I am fearful that MS will be able to dominate e-mail as a whole.

    I can imagine MS trying to persuade the Gov't to mandate MS technology to protect against spam. I find this laughable at first, but given how well the US gov't understands technology, i find it quite plausible.

    Gates is jumping on a bandwagon, where there is already public support. It's what he needs, public support. The tide has been turning against him, with poor xbox sales, Linux becoming better and better, OpenOffice closing the gap, and losing in the server market. He's deserate to gain some public recognition, and spam is an easy target. Be wary of the Vole, for he knows exactly what he's doing.

    While i am forced to use MS for academic, work and extracurricular purposes, I am on a lookout soon for a point. This point is going to to be HUGE. Where useability and ease of use come together to create a Linux and OSS Office product that competes directly with MS's systems for the everyday user, millions will flock to the cheap alternative. It's coming, and Billy knows it. And he's doing everything in his power to prevent it.

  5. Translation (yadda yadda yadda) by weston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are building on advanced work at Microsoft Research in fields such as machine learning â" the design of systems that learn from data and grow smarter over time. This kind of technology is vital to the fight against spam because every defensive action causes spammers to change their attack. Technology, to be effective, must continuously adapt, without requiring a team of people to examine messages one by one. With machine learning, a "smart" spam filter can automatically adjust to spammers' shifting tactics.

    Translation: We've noticed that other people are already incorporating these features into their products (Apple's Mail.app) and that you can get good Bayesian filters pretty much free, so we guess we'll embrace and maybe extend that.

    To help, we have assembled a massive and still growing database of spam, collected from volunteers among our millions of MSN and Hotmail subscribers. This database will prove invaluable later this year when we release Outlook 2003, which will include a new, smart filter that will access the database to recognize and block spam more effectively. The filter in Outlook 2003 also will be updated frequently and easily, as with Windows Update today.

    Translation: Hotmail is a honeypot for spam.

    Our proposal is to create a regulatory "safe harbor" status for senders who comply with guidelines.

    Translation: Maybe we can create the "trusted computing" equivalemt of electronic mail.

  6. Re:bill, look up "irony" by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's even better that he decried spam as being a vehicle for destructive viruses.

    Quick, name a mass-mailing worm that *doesn't* use Outlook (/Express).

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  7. Hotmail? and Spyware? by blunte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I liked what he said, except for where he was touting the Hotmail spam blocking efforts.

    It really doesn't matter how much spam they are blocking. If I continue to get 100+ spam a day, then their spam blocking is worthless. And I do, and it is.

    Spam sucks, indeed, but a new threat looms, and that's spyware. Every non-technical person I come across has their machines crammed full of spyware crap. Machines creep along, popups appear all the time, and other strange things happen. Most users are clueless. They'll just end up buying a new machine because their "PC is too slow".

    I believe Microsoft is largely to blame for this with Internet Explorer. Many users have default settings that do not prompt or reject downloads of unsigned ActiveX objects. So Gator slips right in. And they don't have prompt/reject set for running unsigned scripts.

    This is one reason people need to switch to Mozilla. But I digress...

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  8. Re:The ominous cloud of evil remains by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't give a shit about the well being of it's customers, nor are they looking to benefit the internet community in any way. Any comments by their spokes people alluding to such intentions are purely facade.

    Microsoft is taking legal measures because spammers cost them time and money with their Hotmail and MSN ventures.


    Welcome to the world of business.

    A business is not designed to make friends, engender feelings of goodwill towards puppies, or cure cancer. That, my friend, would be called a charity.

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  9. Re:OK, I give up Bill. by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a whole new mail system protocol based upon the Palladium security model

    Or it could be the countless gigabytes of traffic (hard drive space, admin time, spam filter programming, insert another cost due to spam here) their online service wastes on spam. ... you have heard of MSN, no?

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  10. 3000 years old documented knowledge by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The funny thing is that this is one of the oldest known management principles in the world, and yet so few STILL master it.

    It was documented in "The Art of War" (Sun Tzu), worded something like "defense everywhere is defense nowhere", with the explanation that at every single time you need to focus, prioritize, and take calculated risks on what NOT to focus on. If you focus on defense everywhere, then you are not defending anywhere.

    And people still haven't learned it. Makes you wonder why people write books. :-)

  11. Knock, Knock by saberworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop selling all those hotmail addresses to spammers, that might help reduce spam!

    Seriously, it's like the phone company. They sell your phone number to a zillion telemarketing lists and then they charge you to buy a box that blocks telemarketers (as if they're doing you some huge favor by offering it). They are profiting on both sides here, it's disgusting.

  12. Re:One man's spam, is another's direct marketing.. by eaolson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    All, just remember that the definition of spam is fluid. One person's spam is another's direct marketing.

    No. The commonly-accepted definion of spam is (1) unsolicited (2) email that is (3) either commercial or bulk in nature. (1), (2), and (3) must all be present for something to be spam.

    In my observation, only spammers try to define spam to anything else.

  13. Re:Listening to the user community and acting on i by joe_bruin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    microsoft could start by allowing the *option* of disabling the viewing of html email in outlook and outlook express. linked images are used by spammers to verify if an account is active and if an email is being viewed. not to mention the huge-font headlines found in your average spam message and/or images (sometimes not-so-safe for work).
    but microsoft does not want to give users this option. why?

  14. Re:One man's spam, is another's direct marketing.. by jordandeamattson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I am not a spammer, but I am making an observation on what I have seen in terms of folks behavior.

    For example, I have seen people that have signed-up for offers from a company (I saw them do it) turn around and start complaining that they are being spammed.

    For most people, spam is any email that they don't want in their mailbox at that moment in time. If it is something I don't want - even if I set up a relationship and asked for it - then it is spam.

    I detest Spam. I get tons of it and hate the resources I spend on my mailserver dealing with it. It should be dealt with somehow (I think a scheme with a 1/100 of a cent charge would deal with it effectively). But the reality is that people's definition of Spam really is that email that they don't want to see cluttering their mailbox at that point in time.

  15. We have dehumanized ourselves with this nonsense by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A business is not designed to make friends, engender feelings of goodwill towards puppies, or cure cancer. That, my friend, would be called a charity.

    Or a Community. You know, these cooperative things people lived and took part together in, which when combined together created civilizations?

    Let's face it, when the American people chose to embrace the radical right agenda that is in many ways epitomized by Ayn Randianism back in the 1980s, and exchanged their status of citizens for that of consumers, and their sense of business ethics went from a "let's find a win-win approach we can both benefit from" (positive sum game) to "let's make a fast buck, whatever the consiquences to others" (zero, or more commonly, a negative sum game), we lost our communities and became little more than faceless wage slaves serving our faceless corporate masters. Most of us are lucky enough not to live in the small southern towns our corporate masters chose to dump their toxic waste in (thanks, Monsanto), and those that are unfortunate enough are generally dead and so not a concern (thanks Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Baby Bush, for gutting the EPAs ability to be at all vigilant).

    It should be no surprise that when one redefines humankind's humanity as "charity" (with all the negative baggage that implies) and humankind's inhumanity to itself as "nothing personal, it's just business, and businesses exist to make money, not friends", one loses one's own humanity in the process. What is surprising is how long American culture has managed to survive and even thrive, after having dehumanized itself and its people to such an appalling degree. One can only hope that the rest of the world retains a little more wisdom, and that emigration isn't a complete impossibility.

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  16. Re:Definite irony by IronicCheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sign up for a throwaway Hotmail address. Never give the address out to anyone. Never use it for registration. Just let it sit there for a month or so. Then log into it and see the mountains of spam it contains. Since you never gave this address to anyone, the only possible way the spammers got the address is because Microsoft sold it to them.


    Nonsense. Ever heard of "guessing"? -- Generate likely hotmail addresses by dictionary lookup (common words, common names and common integers). That and some concatenation and a sendmail script and you're off to the races without having to buy a single address.

  17. Re:Hotmail? Spam City! by Jadrano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long was that name? The hotmail space is so overcrowded that not only dictionary attacks, but also brute force is used quite efficiently by spammers.