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Apple Hardware VP Defends Benchmarks
He said Veritest used gcc for both platforms, instead of Intel's compiler, simply because the benchmarks measure two things at the same time: compiler, and hardware. To test the hardware alone, you must normalize the compiler out of the equation -- using the same version and similar settings -- and, if anything, Joswiak said, gcc has been available on the Intel platform for a lot longer and is more optimized for Intel than for PowerPC.
He conceded readily that the Dell numbers would be higher with the Intel compiler, but that the Apple numbers could be higher with a different compiler too.
Joswiak added that in the Intel modifications for the tests, they chose the option that provided higher scores for the Intel machine, not lower. The scores were higher under Linux than under Windows, and in the rate test, the scores were higher with hyperthreading disabled than enabled. He also said they would be happy to do the tests on Windows and with hyperthreading enabled, if people wanted it, as it would only make the G5 look better.
In the G5 modifications, they were made because shipping systems will have those options available. For example, memory read bypass was turned on, for even though it is not on by default in the tested prototypes, it will be on by default for the shipping systems. Software-based prefetching was turned off and a high-performance malloc was used because those options will be available on the shipping systems (Joswiak did not know whether this malloc, which is faster but less memory efficient, will be the default in the shipping systems).
As to not using SSE2, Joswiak said they enabled the correct flags for it, as documented on the gcc web site, so that SSE2 was enabled (the Veritest report lists the options used for each test, which appears to include the appropriate flags).
Whoo hoo first post!
Apple just rocks
Why would you put your own links in the article submission? I highly doubt apple would come out and prove themselves becuase of some slashdot discussion
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awww, did someone get fired today?? :( it's ok, there are plenty of openings at the local taco bell. now run along..
I'm gonna may so much fun of people when talking to them about the new macs.
Shit sticks ya know.
Even if Apple is faster than Wintel, the Price:Performance ratio is horrible for Apple hardware and software.
I'd like to see Apple spec that.
Sure thing. See you there! (dibs on the fryer)
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No, the point for Mac users is whether this will come in a fruity life-saver assortment of colors and how superior it will make them feel to use a technically inferior machine, but with chrome trim and various yuppie targetted aesthetic design elements.
It's a shame if Apple have resorted to this sort of thing, I thought it was bad enough that nVidia had produced drivers designed to give false results, but actually crippling your opponents hardware, to show that your product beats it, is pretty low.
Lets hope we can look at some independent tests in the coming days and see which unit is really value for money, because if Dell's benchmarks are correct their unit is 20-30% faster and only 2/3rds the price.
Dear gentle sirs,
I am a switcher of three months, now a happy Mac user after years of Windows computing that just didn't make sense. I don't miss the General Protection Faults and Blue Screens of Death one bit! I can't believe I waited so long to make the change! I bought a Power Mac G4 with Mac OS Jaguar and haven't looked back since. There's only one small thing missing, however.
Gay shit. I want to be a human toilet. I've been looking for the right nasty little boy who can train me and use me like the brown log shredder that I am-- sit me under a toilet seat and go to town pumping fudge into my mustachioed maw. I thought that by buying a Mac I'd get into the scene, and make some hot hookups with colons packed to the gills in crap worms. So far, however, I've been disppointed.
Mr. Jobs and the executives at Apple, I plead with you to release more information regarding getting into the hardcore underground stool swallowing scene. All I can think about is gobbling down an 18" ass-birth fresh from the fart factory. Mac users popping squats over my face and letting loose with a tempest of farts and raining a hail of turds.
I hope you can help me with this issue.
Thank you.
Lets see, shall we?
p.s. Steve Jobs is a genius!
Because I think macs are great I just can't fucking stand fanbois like you.
- Toby
Some people have something called ethical considerations. They believe that only users should have certain freedoms in regards to the software they user. Thus, Free Software should be used, even if it is not necessarily the best tool for the job. Furthermore, this prevents vendor-lockouts and allows users a self-determined upgrade cycle. This explains those who will only use Free Software.
Ok, if you use an inferior tool for a job that pays your bills because you have some philosophical issues with people making money to pay people just like you, than you deserve to get shit-canned right after your inferior solution shows it's true colors.
Having ethical considerations does not make one a zealot, so please stop being so insulting.
Having ethical considerations that cloud judgement, does. I'm not being insulting, I'm being real.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Since the iMac stopped being a hot item, Apple has been stalled.
Then Apple went on the rampage against its non-corporate retailers. I can't find the link, but it happened.
Apple is like the entrepreneur... great at coming up with ideas and getting them rolling, but horrible in followthrough.
I like the new Mac, based on what I've read, but that doesn't make me feel any better about Apple's future. I think, like some others have suggested, that Apple needs to stick to just OS and perhaps some apps, and let someone else do the hardware. And good grief, move to Intel/AMD.
.sigs are for post^Hers.
You window's fucks sure like to bitch!
You guys can stick with your crappy ass Pee-Cee's. Besides, it wouldn't be as fun owning a Mac if all of you owned one.
I'm sticking with my Porsche, and I hope all of you stay away!
10% of the market! LOL
They are at 1.9%, and not exactly with a bullet. If they had any brains they'd toss out a version of their OS optimized for x86, and stop selling overpriced outdated hardware to fools.
Most of the market isn't stupid, and they have money, Apple has no access to these people with their current strategies in the pc area...
I like Apple's machines, the same way I like super computers... "Man, wouldn't it be cool to have one of those (if I didn't have to pay for it)."
Personally, I'm just getting very tired of hearing about Apple... The Apple evangelists (as will as the naysayers) are just so relentless that it drives me crazy... Any time there is a story about an OS, you can bet there will be a post saying that Apple/Mac OS X is so much better, and the same old comment always gets moderated up.
I'm not the Anti-Apple type I assume you were talking about, but I can sympathize with them to some extent, because there are times that the Apple fans look like a bunch of loud mouth elitists, who are ironically acting sheepish themselves. That's not to put down all Apple users, it's just that sometimes I'd be willing to go blow up Apple HQ, and suffer the collateral damage of lossing Apple, if just to shut up the few that make the most noise.
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