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UN Recommends WiFi for Poor Countries

amerinese writes "UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan is now advocating that third-world countries be given funds to implement WiFi technology and 'leapfrog into the future.'"

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  1. Poor countries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's get them food before Internet.

    1. Re:Poor countries... by carm$y$ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the article:
      Some 200 people -- representing technology companies, developing nations, regulators and international agencies -- attended Thursday's conference, organized by the Boston-based Wireless Internet Institute [...]

      Bingo! Food? Forget it! We have stuff to sell, targets to achieve, shareholders to keep happy...

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    2. Re:Poor countries... by Spacelord · · Score: 5, Insightful

      3rd world countries don't need food, they need an economy where they get fair prices for their goods, so they can take care of themselves and don't have to rely on foreign aid.

      Making internet available to them allows them to be at least somewhat competitive on the global market.

    3. Re:Poor countries... by damgx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In most 'poor' countries the problem in not the amount of food, but the distribution of it.

      These so called poor countries often have large money making industries to buy food, or food is being donated to the country. Perhaps a better way to put it is. Food is being donated to the people, but often does not reach the people, but only the rich. (The seem to own all the weapons).

      Money made from industries, such as diamonds, oile, timber and others goes in the pockets of the few in power, again the army is a prime candidate.

      There are exceptions like North Corea, where stupidity and nature makes up a crule reality.

      Look at your own country. (I asume USA). There _is_ food to go around, yet some goes hungry.

      Distribution of wealth is the real problem.

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    4. Re:Poor countries... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, teach a man how to fish..." well, you know the rest.

      Sending food to needy nations accomplishes nothing besides feeding those people for a day or two. That may be all well and good if they're hit by a draught or locusts, but it's not a long term solution. In fact,
      - Food aid helps local warlords, with bribes paid to them to let the shipments pass. Ever wonder why the warlords' jeeps with machine guns are called 'technicals'? Because they are paid for with UN bribe money, the outlay of which is entered into the ledgers as local 'technical assistance'.
      - Food aid sometimes puts local farmers out of business. If the local market is flooded with free food, how are they going to compete with that?

      Does that mean we should stop sending food? No... but we should be more careful about how, where and when we send it. We can just keep sending them food and they'll be in the same mess a hundred years from now.

      The thing to do is help them develop their industry, infrastructure, in other words helping them help themselves. I don't know if Internet infrastructure is on top of the list of things they need, but it sure is a better idea than just sending them more food and going back to sleep.

      As to the idea that the 3rd world doesn't even have an industry and so has no need for an IT infrastructure: look again. There might even be room for their own IT industry, look at India where one region built the infrastructure, education and business climate from the ground up, resulting in thousands of IT firms in a multimillion dollar business. That business helps the rest of the region, creating demand for other goods and services, thereby creating more jobs and improving the overall standard of living there. This might just be what the rest of the 3rd world needs.

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    5. Re:Poor countries... by Kymermosst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh yeah, I forgot how well the Sahara would be wonderful farmland if we didn't put the farmers out of work, how we started the whole Somali famine, caused all of the natural disasters in the world, etc. Nice troll.

      What about the 1 million metric tons of food that we just... give away for free? This link is to just one program... in total, the U.S. gives away (for free) about 9 million metric tons of food to needy foreign countries every year. Where's the "profit" in "free."

      The real problem is distribution. Quite often, the food doesn't make it to the people it mostly needs to go to. Case in point... the U.N. food-for-oil program in Iraq. Saddam kept almost all of it for his government and military, all the while telling the Iraqi people that they had no food because we were stopping the flow of food. Not true... he was keeping it for himself.

      By the way, one million metric tons of food donations equals about 8 pounds per person in the United States. I also happen to donate to local food programs (voluntarily)... approximately 100 lbs per year. Did *you* donate any food this year?

      Oh, and you're wrong about why the WTO is bad: The WTO is bad because it fails to protect workers in the United States from foreign competition and encourages things like NAFTA and FTAA, which put our own people out of work. This happens because labor is a lot cheaper elsewhere (so-called sweatshops, etc), so companies increase profit margin by using foreign labor.

      It's the same reason that hiring illegal immigrants is bad: It gives a job away that could be filled by a higher-paid, tax-paying, protected-by-labor-law American worker. And, the argument that "they do the jobs nobody else would take" is bullshit. If nobody took the jobs, and they needed to be done, the offered pay would increase until people would take the job for the money. Instead, illegal immigrants are exploited because they can't get a normal job, and fear getting busted.

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  2. wireless develpment in third world countries by DrRiffic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since these countries don't already have ancient, pre-existing infrastructure, they can roll out wireless faster than if they had a bunch of copper lines to every home.

    look at estonia; ten years ago they were communist bloc peasants, now they're the fastest growing tech sector in eastern europe.

  3. Wifi uh ? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about giving reliable electricity, then computers to poor third world countries first (and also drinkable water and sufficient food, since you're there) ?

    Not everything in your home country looks as shiny as your UN office Mr. Annan ...

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    1. Re:Wifi uh ? by carm$y$ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their logic is strange:
      Laptops are rare in the developing world and the money to buy the needed electronic gear is scarce.

      Then
      Wi-Fi allows users of laptop computers and other gadgets to access the Internet without electric cords or phone jacks.

      Ok, i'd like one of those laptops powered over WiFi...

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  4. How about real industry first? by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would be much more realistic to establish real industries first and then create an environment that would support an information infrastructure. If an high tech infrasture is put in place before industrial, educational, and commercial infrastructures are put in place then it would essential just go to waste. For example, there is no reason to have IT in Africa when they don't even have a textile industry in place that could benefit from more efficient practices.

  5. This does not make sense by dybdahl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since when is it cheaper to use wireless than to plug in a wire? Price is very important in 3rd world countries, and I don't think they are willing to pay for the luxury of not having to put a cable into the computer.

    Besides most laptop come with a wired ethernet adaptor, but not with WiFi. Therefore, a wire-based system makes a lot more sense.

  6. Translation by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article :

    Pat Gelsinger, chief technology officer for Intel Corp, the world's biggest computer chip maker, said Wi-Fi was cost-effective, growing rapidly around the world and particularly appropriate for developing nations because it was neither government-regulated nor licensed and was built using industry-wide and worldwide standards.

    Read : Pat Gelsinger, CTO for Intel Corp, recently visited Kofi Annan to do a sales pitch that went successfully.

    Hey Pat, how about Intel donates some WiFi equipment to third world countries, to jumpstart the market if nothing else ?

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  7. Technology is not a panacea by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is IT always seen as some sort of miracle fix? Kids aren't learning in schools? Give them all computers to 'learn' on. People are living below the poverty line? Give them WiFi, that'll fix their economy.

    What's that big tall white thing? Oh, it's an ivory tower.

  8. Italy a poor country ? Italy's silly wi-fi law ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As an italian I understand why Italy is severely technologically underdeveloped compared to the US.

    To protect big Telco monopolies and cellphone companies that have invested billions in UMTS licenses, Italy has made laws that make it illegal to use wi-fi for implementing long distance links or to let private persons or small firms becoming a Wireless ISP.
    You can become a WISP or do long distance wi-fi between your firm's sites but you need to ask for permission (and there is no assurance that the'll grant it to you) and possibly pay a yearly fee.

    When I see communities like Seattle Wireless I'm sad because such things will never be possible in Italy (without a change of the law).

    Italy is composed of many rural areas where there will no DSL for years because of the italian telcos unwilling to upgrade switches and equipement because the low return of investment.
    Imagine many small towns of a few hundred people where only 5-10% will subscribe. It is economically unviable for the telcos to bring DSL in those places.

    With wi-fi and small WISP it would be much easier, use a long distance wi-fi link, a a T1-like leased line or satellite and then give connectivity locally through wi-fi (point to multi-point: omni antenna at the distribution point and yagi/parabolic that the subscriber's home).

    There are a couple of small towns where pilot projects where implemented but the actual regulation hinders small businesses of becoming WISPs.

    sad sad :-(

    any prediction for Italy ?
    Should we just ignore the reglations and start to build community networks ?
    Just like in the filesharing case: you cannot put millions of citizen in jail.
    The 2.4ghz spectrum is unregulated and we want to fully use it (like in the US).

    Thoughts ?

  9. WiFi, or, CONNECTIVITY in general is good. by jlehtira · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay, so you say give them food first, then WiFi or other technology. You are wrong.

    First; in many places most people aren't dying of hunger in their status quo. It's a flood, draught, war or whatever that makes people die in numbers. So, get them food all the time? No. Get them food when disaster strikes? Yes.

    Second: in many places, the poor people are the ones who have no (profitable) profession. In today's world people can farm food much too efficiently to need everybody on the fields. What do the rest do? Drive rikshaws, play (or are) disabled, make themselves (or their kids) disabled, sell themselves (or others), or beg. There's a huge workforce with no skills in the poor countries. And, even if they had the skills, they usually don't have markets.

    Now, tourism is a big player in any poor-and-warm country. To be successful, local guides et cetera will have to speak good english (education!), market their services abroad, do things so that western (or eastern) tourists will want to pay to them. In tourism and other professions innovation will also come in handy.

    So, they need education to succeed. How can WLAN help that? Connectivity. In some places they have e-mail but no telephone, or the telephone is a crappy radio something, and the post office doesn't always work reliably or fast. People want to talk to each other. Second; with a somewhat fast WiFi connection, the good teachers (which are few) can teach students going to other schools. Third, the internet is a vast resource of learning material, especially when there aren't many (or good) books. Imagine volunteers teaching from their western living rooms. Or, far-away places reaching potential tourists over the internet. Or, even, people organizing their work or selling their products over the internet.

    WiFi is cheaper than cable. I think I paid $2 or something (tourist price) for a 1-litre aluminium can that I turned into an antenna once.. a connector and a piece of rod made it into a nice antenna capable of over 1km. It is used between two villages 1.2km apart in Nepal, in a place where the shortest path (on the ground) between the villages is maybe 5km. WiFi tech is also being used there, to bridge distances of over 40km, with volunteer-made amplifiers.

    There was a story about the place I'm talking about here. Also, I've been to the place =).

    So, consider the cost and determination needed to ship useful amounts of food against the cost of helping education etc etc. One day, even the third world can count on electric communication nationwide, and that will benefit them a lot.

  10. Ignorance of the stupid idiots here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This fscking shit argument of food for third world countries instead of technology is the most ignorant oppressive crap I see consistently being spouted on slashdot (of all places).

    I am (originally) from a "third world" aka developing country. I grew up in the "third world" let me tell you this with authority. THEY DO NOT NEED DONATIONS OF FOOD. What they need is (in order of importance)

    a) get rid of corruption /serial killer dictators
    c) roads
    b) capital to buy equipment (farming/industry)
    c) cheap communications (internet, cell phones) e) free trade so their people can buy technology cheaper
    d) reforms in education system (no memorization)
    f) health care
    g) security
    h) Snoop Doggy Dogg
    i) food

    Donating food is the worst thing you can do to a country (except when there is an actual emergency/disaster)

    Also what I hate is people running around claiming the govt. donates so much to the third world and now they dont have jobs/medicare etc. here. That's plain BS. The ultra miniscule drop of your tax that goes to "foreign aid" is not having any effect on any economy .. yours or theirs.

  11. they are about to become poorer by zogger · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lot of this food aid being exported there is in the form of propietary grain crops -GM mostly-that very poor farmers will try to plant, and have crop failures then. They will be locked into to the globalist agrimonopolists cycle, and won't be able to save seed year to year, instead being forced to purchase seed, and already they are on subsistance level incomes, having to pay for seed will doom them to perpetual serfdom fpr the most part, even worse than it is now. It's the exact reason the forward-thinkers in those nations are trying to refuse "food" aid even when they desperately need it, they know it's a temporary fix, just like drugs, ie "the first hit is free". There's wheels inside of agendas with *free* "aid".