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TV Brick - Open Source TV Streaming?

Anders Jacobsen writes "Nexedi has released the TV Brick - an open source-based box for TV capture and streaming over the Internet. Primarily targeted towards Japanese families living in France (seeing that popular Japanese channels like Yomiuri TV and NHK Sogo are unavailable outside Japan), the idea is that is you plug one of these boxes to a TV antenna and a broadband connection in Japan, and the other to a broadband plug and a TV in France; instant 'magic' happens and all the goodness of Japanese TV is in your living room." We also covered the OpenBrick project a few months back.

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  1. So the Japanese in France are saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We get signal!!

  2. Watch out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats not a brick, its a tentacle!

  3. Market size by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Funny
    Primarily targeted towards Japanese families living in France

    Okay, now that is definitely what I call a niche market. Heck, why not go all-out and also market it towards Brazilian families living in Slovenia?

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    1. Re:Market size by Andorion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if "targeted towards" is the right wording - there's a good chance that they were the inspiration for the product, but I doubt "Japanese families living in France" would be the only ones interested.

      ~Berj

  4. TV? Brick? by medscaper · · Score: 4, Funny
    TV...Brick...

    What a concept.

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    1. Re:TV? Brick? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Elvis. A man ahead of his time.

      (OK, he shot the lousy box, but it's the same idea)

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  5. silly muggle.... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 5, Funny
    instant 'magic' happens

    I hope that I don't open a VNC window with you around. You'll probally think that I opened a portal to the other computer.

  6. heh by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    ..all the goodness of Japanese TV is in your living room.

    Heck, if that sentence fragment isn't enough to send everyone running out to buy a Brick I don't know what is.

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  7. Free satellite access! by indros13 · · Score: 3, Funny
    So, if you just want to get access to a whole bunch of free channels, set this sucker up on the DirecTV display at your local Best Buy store and beam it to your home computer!

    "Turn on the Fun!"

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  8. Excellent technology by 403Forbidden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a great use for video capture.

    Now people can view foreign programs, use their computer+tv at the same time, as well as a number of other things and the TV execs can't do much to morally sway users against it as it would have all the commercials intact.

  9. Been there, done that by sosume · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The process is really easy. Get a TV tuner card that is supported under your favourite unix-like flavour, for instance a Hauppage BT 878. Open a remote X session and start the TV application. Voila. (maybe some reencoding should be done to get it all the way to france- 100 mbit works if you don't mind :)

    In other news, I wonder what a beowulf cluster of these would take for bandwidth..

    1. Re:Been there, done that by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm... so you say you might need to encode the video due to bandwidth limitations. Well, that throws out using straight X (what you're describing) (and, no, compressing the X protocol is not sufficient... it doesn't meet compression requirements AND it introduces latency for which you'd have to compensate).

      So, we'll have to encode the video at the source and decode at the sink. Oh, and then there's audio. We gotta transport that, somehow, too... sending it in the raw would be silly, since bandwidth is still an issue. Well, we'll encode and decode that, too. And while we're at it, we might as well write some software to set up the transport pipe, enable the capture device, encoders, decoders, etc, etc...

      Oh, wait, I've just re-invented the TV Brick...

  10. Poor name choice? by ...+James+... · · Score: 4, Informative

    How long until they get sued by these guys:
    VBrick Systems

    Seems like it's essentially doing the same thing and, to me, the name seems awfully similar...

  11. That is a great idea by JazFresh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    especially for expatriates. I've lived a few countries and I'm always miffed that I'm missing out on some TV shows I grew attached to in those countries. Now I'm moving from the US soon and so I'll miss out on HBO's The Wire. I'll have to wait for the season to end and for it to come out on DVD before I can see what happens!

    The alternative is to get friends to tape the shows and send them over/digitise them (an imposition on them) or waste hours of time trying to get net copies. And neither of those options are helpful if the show you like is esoteric.

    I had thought about setting up a Tivo (esp. now that you can manage Tivo via the web) and pulling the data off it, but you need a big upstream link for that, plus a 'co-lo' in a friend's house. But at least it's not so much of an imposition.

    1. Re:That is a great idea by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, being irretrievably AWAY from U.S. television is one of the things I like MOST about going overseas.

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  12. Must control fist of death...... by TJ6581 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not entirely sure what that website sells but I know that I want to punch the crap out of it.

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  13. Working on this device by .Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting



    I did some work on this device - although, admittedly, my involvement ended a few months ago. The article doesn't mention the biggest problem we had working on it - the lack of a real "tv standard" on the internet. Consider that the stream may have originated from either a PAL, NTSC, or even something else (though we concentrated on those two only) and on the fly conversion between those two to a PC codec of sorts is not something trivial. Basically frames need to be discarded dynmaically in order to sync with the given display unit. Unlike other conversion devices, we didn't have the luxury of selectively removing/doubling frames based on what looks the best, we had to do it on the fly with streaming data. Basically what we did was sacrifice a small amount of compression for the sake of image smoothness, allowing us the freedom to guess the appropriate frames to manipulate. I'd say I'm about 95% happy with the results, but if you know what to look for you can see the artifacts. But it is open source, so improvements will be implememnted over time.

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  14. Here's what you're missing on Japanese TV by mr_majestyk · · Score: 5, Funny

    This page provides an overview of some typical Japanese TV shows:
    * A game show in which a grandmother has to answer questions about pop culture in order to prevent her grandson from being catapulted into the air by a bungee machine.
    * "Guess what's on your head!"- a game show in which contestants try to guess what type of insect or reptile is crawling around on the top of their heads.
    * A show called Super Jockey in which people with products to promote (usually beautiful women) play a game where they have to change into a skimpy bikini before a curtain drops which will reveal them if they haven't finished changing, and then they have to sit in scalding hot water. For every second they manage to stay in the water, they are allowed to promote their product for one second

    1. Re:Here's what you're missing on Japanese TV by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Here's what you're missing on Japanese TV

      And you know what? All of the stuff you listed sounds pretty damn funny, and certainly original.

      That's two qualities the American media seems to find desperately hard to achieve, probably because they spend too much time trying to spit out something that will appeal to absolutely everyone, which of course is impossible.

      So as a result, we have 5 billion sitcoms about a middle-age couple with 2.5 kids, a dog, and an SUV. The husband is a passive-aggressive jerk always getting into trouble with the missus because he's a moron, the wife is a no-bullshit woman, and the kids are very young, quiet and never say a word(very realistic). The other half of the primetime lineup are murder crime shows convincing the american public that they're going to get murdered or blown up by the zillions of terrorists running around(as a side note, anyone else notice that crime shows seem to be the place to break the public in on more and more invasive "crimefighting" technologies? Joe Q. Public sees all that wonderful technology at work- it's instant, always catching the bad guy, etc...it's like Ashcroft's personal heaven.)

    2. Re:Here's what you're missing on Japanese TV by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 4, Funny
      A show called Super Jockey in which people with products to promote (usually beautiful women) play a game where they have to change into a skimpy bikini before a curtain drops which will reveal them if they haven't finished changing, ...

      I don't know if you were trying to put down Japanese television, but that "Super Jockey" show idea has me desparately searching for a friend in Japan I can ship a brick too.

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  15. Japanese TV by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, I wouldn't want to miss the latest in cruelty TV if I moved away...

    Can you win this box in a contest? ;- )

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  16. Two problems for average US consumer by irving47 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. MPAA who?
    2. A lot of cable modem users are getting bandwidth limits imposed on them. Some companies (like cox) are limiting home users to 3 GB per month down, 1 up... How many hours of this TV Brick thing would that be?

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  17. I wonder how long it'll take before... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...some court finds that this is a circumvention device on the broadcasting rights that are limited to Japan, and declares this illegal. Any slashlaywers care to comment? ;)

    Kjella

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  18. some more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Since it looks like they are currently watching Japanese television and have no bandwith for a Slashdotting, here is more info from the site:

    TV Brick Systems > en > affiliate > TV Brick Systems > Personal Multimedia > TVBrick
    Home Server

    TVBrick: it's like Home! Watch all Home TV Channels from abroad by connecting to
    your Home TV antena from abroad.

    Features

    TVBrick is a Home Server designed for International Families who must stay abroad
    and who need to keep a tight relation with their Home country and family.

    Current Features:
    * View all Home TV channels from abroad
    * Connect to the Internet by Wireless network when you stay at Home
    * Improve communication with your family when you stay abroad

    Future Features
    * Talk by Internet Phone with your family for free
    * Share digital snapshots of life abroad with your family in your Home country

    System

    In order to watch Home TV channels from abroad, a TVBrick Home Server appliance must
    be installed at your Home in your home country and connected to the broadband
    Internet access of your home family. It becomes then possible to watch all Home TV
    channels from abroad by connecting to your home TVBrick either with a standard PC or
    with the optional TVBrick player. A password will be required to connect to your
    home TVBrick in order to make sure that only people of the same family can access
    Home TV channels. Because reproduction of home TV channels happens in a private
    manner within the same family, the use of TVBrick to watch home TV channels is
    compatible with international Copyright Law.

    Easy Setup

    Using the TVBrick appliance is very easy: remote users connect to the TVBrick secure
    home page with a standard PC and Web Browser which can be operated anywhere in the
    world. It is also possible to connect with the optional TVBrick player which
    includes a joystick based user interface similar to a video game. Once the TVBrick
    home server is connected to family broadband Internet access and to television,
    there is absolutely nothing to change.

    World Class Technology

    TVBrick uses the Linux Open Source / Free Operating System developped by American,
    European and Japanese engineers. The TVBrick appliance is based on the OpenBrick
    platform (www.openbrick.org). Because it includes no fan, no hard disk and no moving
    parts, TVBrick is 100% silent and can be operated 24 hours a day. This is a major
    difference with other Home Servers: the use of TVBrick when you stay abroad will not
    disturb your family asleep because TVBrick simply makes absolutely no noise.

    Service

    NipponBrick TV is sold online by Nexedi (www.nipponbrick.com). After ordering and
    paying your NipponBrick TV home server, Nexedi will ask you some information about
    your broadband Internet connection in Japan. In case your family in Japan does do
    not use yet a broadband Internet connection in Japan, Nexedi will assist you to
    subscribe to a high quality broadband Internet Connection. Nexedi will then
    configure your NipponBrick TV home server in our laboratories and test it. Once it
    is fully tested, we will ship it by UPS World Wide Express. Your family in Japan
    will then receive your NipponBrick TV home server by Takkyubin, UPS partner in
    Japan. Nexedi native Japanese staff will then call your family in Japan to assist
    them connect your NipponBrick TV home server to the Japanese TV network and to the
    Internet. Nexedi will test connectivity to make sure your NipponBrick TV home server
    is fully operational. Our international staff will then contact your family abroad
    to provide assistance how to use OpenBrick, either with your personal computer or
    with the optinoal NipponBrick TV personal view. Our international staff can speak
    the following languages: Japanese, Engl

  19. Kill Your Television by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I think of "TV Brick" it's usually in a different context. (replace hammer with brick) Generally after watching yet another Laci Peterson segment on CNN.

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  20. Re:Limited value? by Pii · · Score: 4, Funny
    Quite right...

    So many possibilities squandered.

    For instance, there should definately have been a crack about French authorities busting heads over the fact that this streaming Japanese content wasn't properly voiced-over in French, with Japanese subtitles... Preserving their culture, and all that.

    **chuckle** French Authorities Busting Heads! Sometimes, I kill myself.

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  21. Tab A? by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Primarily targeted towards Japanese families living in France

    Yeah, reading and following the setup and assembly instructions is gonna be no problem.

  22. Japanese people have enough bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Keep in mind that for a few years already Japan has straight-to-the-home 100MBit Optical Fiber Internet Access. And it's cheap. The initial installation fee is about $300. After that, it only costs 60$ per month.

    And you thought DSL and cable modems were fast.
    Wow, America is still so far behind. They've only just started trials for fiber-to-the-home(FTTH) in Silicon Valley recently. $2400 install fee + 75$ month I think.

  23. Legal? by bc8o8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How long do you think it will be before the Cable Companies convince the govt to make this illegal??

    Think about it. If you could set this up on one system, and have hundreds of people access it (which if it's not possible now, it soon will be) then why pay for cable?? Find a server somewhere that plays some shows that you like, and watch them from there.

    I'd be willing to bet that within 6 months of the first one being sold in the US the Nexedi will be in court.

    It's a shame though, I could have some fun with this!!

  24. 9FPS?? by indole · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the FAQ:

    How good/bad is the image quality?
    The sound quality is very good. The image quality is poor. This is due to the fact that international Internet connectivity is not yet fast and stable enough to transmit high bandwidth streams. TVBrick is now tuned to provide a sub-VHS quality image at 9 frames per second.[emphasis mine] ...This is expected to change within 2 years.
    Oh yeah, this is a real viable alternative.
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