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Mozilla 1.4 Released
Phil writes "MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The new version is pretty similar to today's Netscape 7.1, which is based on the same code, but lacks Netscape's proprietary features. More information can be found in the release notes. The release can be downloaded from mozilla.org's releases page or via FTP. From here on, mozilla.org's focus shifts to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird." The official release news is now up on Mozilla's main page, so let the downloading begin.
You make a fair comment, but this is Mozilla's new stable build, and the last one distributed as a monolithic application bundle. The stories about the RC's were mostly free advertising for last-minute stress testers, because this stable build has to last until they completely separate the innards into separate applications.
You tell me how "whilst" differs from "while," and I'll stop calling you a pretentious jackass.
Mozilla is one of the 'pillars' of OSS software, along with GCC, the Linux kernel, KDE, GNOME, and Apache (I'm probably forgetting some too). It's important to hype it up and keep us informed so we can test and push the technology. If we were all still using Mozilla 1.0 there wouldn't _BE_ a 1.4 release for a LONG time.
Slashdot is the appropriate place to make such release announcements. If you don't like them taking up space here, turn off mozilla stories in your prefs, if you want to track Mozilla closer turn on the Mozilla slashbox.
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Anybody here have an idea how long we'll have to wait for GTK2 builds? I'm spoiled by the 1.4RC1 GTK2 build on RH9.
You're mistaking a lack of guarantee with a lack of testing.
Mozilla isn't guaranteed to do ANYTHING. It's not guaranteed to be Y2k "compliant," it's not guaranteed to cause no damage to your hard drive, it's not guaranteed to cause SOME damage to your hard drive! Nor is it guaranteed to render web pages correctly, avoid sleeping with your spouse, or save the world.
The y2k non-guarantee was put up many years ago, because nearly every organisation on the planet was being hounded with the "are you y2k compliant?" question. Mozilla is just as non-compliant today as they were then, which is to say that nobody has found any issues.
Mozilla HAS been tested to work with four digit dates, and also been tested to render almost all web pages properly (certainly all proper web pages). It has NOT been guaranteed to do these things.
Seriously, download 1.4 and give it a go. I think you'll be very happy with its behaviour.
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"MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
What the fsck! Are the editors even awake! Come one guys, read the damn article! There is nothing in the article that says it's released for those systems, especially not the implication that it's released JUST for those systems. Mozilla 1.4 has been released for all platforms!
The systems that Mozilla 1.4 work on are: Linux (all architectures), GNU/HURD, IRIX, Tru4, BSD/OS, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Windows, OSX, OS/2, BeOS. There are probably others systems as well...
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Firebird has much beter a startup time than Mozilla does at the moment.
If the new Mozilla can import Opera's bookmarks, I'll give it another try myself... (can it?)
1) I still find an occasional page that renders incorrectly. Or maybe what its actually doing is rendering correctly due to spec compliance. But I don't really care what the problem is, I just want them to always render like other browsers.
2) There are weird problems with keyboard keys not working right sometimes. For example, occasionally if I click in the document that has been displayed, the arrow keys will not move the page. Or in forms the home/end keys, etc. dont work. It seems like these events aren't being captured, although I can't find any consistent way to cause it.
3) When I view my rental queue in Netflix, Mozilla crashes completely. This is the biggest problem...other things are just irritating, but I can't get rid of IE while this still happens. Again, maybe Netflix is using improper javascript or something. But, my perspective as a user is only "does it work." In any case, the browser should be able to handle nasty code in a way that doesn't cause a complete crash even if it infinite loops or something.
Despite these kinds of annoyances, I am going to stick with Mozilla. I love tabbed browsing, and I really like being able to bookmark a set of tabs that I may want open for reference while working on a project. 1.3 was the first version I started using regularly because my form filler/password manager finally supported Mozilla, and with googlebar all my needs are met.
I guess I'll go see now if 1.4 has addressed any of these issues...
Is anyone at Mozilla working on a quirks mode for Word- or Excel-generated HTML? Don't even think about Powerpoint!
actually, a few seconds do matter.
speedy startup times is a nice thing, be it in ie or in moz
for instance, as english isn't my native language, i sometimes have to look up words.. would i prefer to launch the browser, wait 10 - 30 seconds to go to dictionary.com, or would i rather have 10 - 20mb ram "wasted" and be able to look something up instantaneously?
most systems today come with 512+mb ram, and what else are you going to do with it? tear out a 256mb stick and give it to your neighbor?
-r
Is there an IRIX version of either Mozilla 1.4 or Netscape 7.1 (as they use basicly the same code base)? I see that there are some links to some older builds of 1.4 and to a nightly build from May, but I can't seem to find 1.4 final. Would be nice to run the latest browser on my cheap "ebay special" Octane.
Type "about:config" into your address bar. (No quotes)
Thanks to the magic of XUL and XBL, you *can* change key bindings. See http://mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html, the "Key Bindings" section, for info on how to change things around to suit you better.
Oh, and don't be fooled by the 'unix' in the URL - most of the info on that page is completely cross-platform.
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Nope. That's an urban legend that's nice to spread around, but it's nothing more than FUD. If you don't have the fancy crap enabled int the shell and don't open any other components (or third party apps) that use the HTML parser/viewer, the first time you click on that "e" icon you load 90% of it (excluding libs already used by the rest of the system, like common controls. On Windows there's no GTK/LessTif/Motif/Yadda to contend with).
I dare you, like I've done before, to show me a single Windows process (excluding the web crap) that has MSHTML and WININET loaded after a clean boot finishes.
Do a few seconds really matter???
Well, I'd wager that if IE loaded slowly this conversation would be very different, but because we're talking about Mozilla, a few seconds don't matter. And BTW, that's the only thing I personally dislike about Mozilla. Other than that it's a great browser.
Any good ideas for how to fix this?
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Are there news on features that let users block any mime type per site, just like images?
Or throttling the CPU usage of Flash/Java applets so it won't grind to a halt when I open a few pages with flash ads?
Breaking up Mozilla isn't primarily about making it smaller, it's about making it more maintainable. The way it is, bugs in the mail component may hold up release of the browser component. Separating them into separate programs means they can be released independently. Besides, many people don't want to use one or the other Mozilla component.
Functionally, Firebird is as full-featured as the Mozilla browser, and there are more extensions and skins available for it (most of the Mozilla extensions just work).
I don't like to criticize Mozilla but they seem to be more concerned in adding flashy cool features like theme handling and smooth scrolling, rather than features that actually provide useful functionality like, for instance, a context menu item to copy images to the clipboard, or flash blocking.