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Study: Wi-Fi users Still Don't Encrypt

Shackleford writes "SecurityFocus has an article saying that two days of electronic eavesdropping at the 802.11 Planet Expo in Boston last week sniffed out more evidence that most Wi-Fi users still aren't securing their networks. Security vendor AirDefense set up two of its commercial 'AirDefense Guard' sensors at opposite corners of the exhibit hall at the Boston World Trade Center, the site of the conference, and for two days analyzed the traffic flowing between conference-goers and 141 unencrypted access points set up by the conference for public use, and by vendors on the floor. What they found was that users checking their e-mail through unencrypted POP connections vastly outnumbered those using a VPN or another encrypted tunnel. Only three percent of e-mail downloads were encrypted on the first day of the conference, 12 percent on the second day."

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  1. WEP is weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First post through my neighbor's compromised WAP gateway. Off to view some porn now. :-)

    1. Re:WEP is weak by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Humour aside, probabky won't be long before we have spam wagons. Spammers in converted trucks crusing the highways to find wireless access points for spamming.

    2. Re:WEP is weak by Golias · · Score: 4, Funny
      Humour aside, probabky won't be long before we have spam wagons. Spammers in converted trucks crusing the highways to find wireless access points for spamming.

      That would be awesome! It would mean that once in a while, an actual spammer would be parked out in front of my house, so they would be in close enough proximity for me to run out and beat the living shit out of them.

      Please spammers, I'm begging you. Try this tactic.

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    3. Re:WEP is weak by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's not a jury in the land that would convict you.

      What about an Amish one?

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    4. Re:WEP is weak by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're telling me the Amish don't get spam?

      where do I sign up!!!?

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  2. Okay ... by Neon_Mango · · Score: 4, Informative

    But with some patience and airsnort even "secured" (ie. encrypted) access points can be used without permission. And MAC address filtering is a joke since I can easily change the what MAC address my airport card uses under linux.

    Maybe it's time for a new, and effective standard.

    1. Re:Okay ... by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And with some patience, very little in fact, your car door can be opened, and your car stolen, or your house door opened, and your house cleaned out... but that doens't mean we run around leaving our doors unlocked and open.

      Furthermore... there are legal implications. Is sniffing out POP passwords in this way illegal? Probably, but maybe not.. but is doing so off an encrypted channel illegal? Most certainly... as there is no logical way you can deny that you kneew the signal was supposed to be private.

    2. Re:Okay ... by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you can guess IPSec keys too, eh? :) There are effective standards, just the majority doesn't use them. 802.x works well when you use a VPN.

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    3. Re:Okay ... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point of this analysis was that when people used unencrypted wifi in public places, they used open and unencrypted channels to communicate sensitive information such as email passwords. i.e. They didn't establish an encrypted VPN session first, or their organizations don't use IPSec/POP3 SSL. The net effect is that they're publicly broadcasting all of their information.

      Of course I wouldn't see it much differently if the conference hall had CAT5 jacks that you could plug into: You still should have no faith in the people running the show, or anyone capable of putting in a wire shunt, who have every ability to log and trace all of you messages: You should always presume that someone is listening. This is just another reminder that the world needs to move to secured application layer transport protocols as mandatory (or blocking external access apart from through a VPN) as quickly as possible, because the human element will always take the easiest route, and the natural human instinct, barring a case of paranoia, is to presume that nothing will ever happen to them- Every victim is someone who thinks it'll only happen to the next guy.

    4. Re:Okay ... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And with some patience, very little in fact, your car door can be opened, and your car stolen, or your house door opened, and your house cleaned out... but that doens't mean we run around leaving our doors unlocked and open.

      A lot of people do leave their doors unlocked. Besides, your analogy is flawed because breaking into a car or house attracts people to the presense of the crime. Cracking WEP encryption is something that can be done in the privacy of your own home.

      Is sniffing out POP passwords in this way illegal?

      Maybe not, but using that sniffed POP password certainly is.

    5. Re:Okay ... by Ryosen · · Score: 2

      Coming into the WiFi game a little later than most, I was under the mistaken impression that filtering by MAC address was secure. Then I followed a link from this thread to the Kismet site and realized just how idiotic that belief was. Encrypted or not, the TCP stack is going to carry the MAC of the sender.

      In the end, I guess it's very much like locking your car door. It'll disuade the casual thief but if someone really wants to get in, they're going to get in.

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    6. Re:Okay ... by Bagheera · · Score: 4, Informative

      Using AirSnort takes time and patience. For a "large" site where you can get a lot of traffic, or where you're trying to crack your next door neighbor's network where you can get a lot of traffic over time, it's practical.

      At a conference, it's unlikely that people will even bother setting up WEP since key management isn't worth the effort.

      MAC address filtering is a mixed bag. Yes, it's trivial to alter your own MAC address to impersonate another machine, but the usefulness depends on your environment. A big site probably won't bother with filtering. Too many addresses to track. A small site running MAC filtering may well have a clueful network admin who'll notice homeboy.haxornet.lan's MAC on the air when he -knows- he left that box at the office.

      The point was the insecure protocols used over the wireless links. Web, POP, IMAP, telnet, etc., passwords sent in the clear are trivial to sniff in that environment.

      As some have already pointed out SSL will cure that issue for quite a number of applications. Using SSH to reach your mail server is another simple "fix" to what is essentially NOT a wireless networking problem.

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    7. Re:Okay ... by kentborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You misunderstand. WEP was poorly designed and should not be trusted, but just because WEP is broken doesn't mean that all encryption is broken, and it doesn't stop me from sending securely ecrypted traffic over a completely open access point, or over a WEP access point.

      At the moment I am sitting in a coffee shop with free, unencrypted, 802.11b internet access. My reading of slashdot, and the posting of this message, are quite readable by anyone nearby with motivation, a computer, and some brains.

      But in another window I have an ssh session logged into my basement Linux server. When I logged in my notebook checked that the signature was as expected and therefore there was no man-in-the-middle attack going on. I am typing this on a notebook I control, I have high confidence that that session is as secure as my house (the weak link, my server is there). I don't need to trust the guy sitting a few chairs down, I don't need to trust the coffee shop.

      If I really want to do some web browsing secure from local sniffers I could fire up netscape from my basement but with the display on my notebook. (X has some bebefits.) It would be slow, but it would work.

      Encryption is not a magic bullet, but it is a very valuable tool.

      What can you do? Don't use MS Windows. Don't use telnet for text logins, don't use plain POP or IMAP for reading e-mail--there are encrypted versions of both. Be worried about banking on open wires; if you see a padlock in the corner of your browser window it means (probably means, there could be bugs) it is encrypted and you have a secure connection to the other end--but who is on the other end? Is it *really* your bank? (This is the man-in-the-middle attack.) Think twice before typing important passwords on a keyboard you don't control. Twice in recent months there has been news of rogue technicians putting sniffers on keyboards, I think one was airport kiosks and one at some college.

      Don't use one (or even two) passwords for everything. It is far better to write your different passwords down on a list and keep it in your wallet than it is to reuse passwords in different circumstances. If someone mugs you they can get the list and they might not appreciate its significance, but if you reuse a password one crooked or incompetent web site can leak and now anyone in the world might have your "master key". I keep my list of passwords encrypted with one nasty-ass-long password, and that one I don't write down. Pick good passwords, single words, names, dates, etc., are bad ideas.

      Now think about all this advice. Think it through. Understand why I said what I said and whether it makes sense. There are no easy rules to computer security, you have to stop to understand the problem a bit.

      One of the tasks involved in becoming an adult is to acquire an ability for "common sense", something that children don't have and take years to develop. Well, computer security has hit us and turned us all into children who have to learn a new kind of common sense. Don't just follow rules, learn and think. And don't be too paranoid.

      -kb, the Kent who keeps his ssh related software up to date, and you should too.

    8. Re:Okay ... by iangoldby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You should always presume that someone is listening. This is just another reminder that the world needs to move to secured application layer transport protocols as mandatory

      Of course there is always the alternative view that these people simply didn't care if someone was evesdropping on their email. I know I wouldn't be at all bothered.

      People still send postcards - think of it - in this day and age when paper envelopes are so easily available...

  3. POP3 with SSL by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A similar survey would be to test how many POP3 servers out there support SSL. I suspect that it's on the low side of 3%. POP3 with SSL is a trivial, easy alteration that many POP3 clients support, instantly securing the network without layering on a secondary encryption layer (VPN/PPTP/IPSec) when all you want is to check you email, which is what probably 99% of the users do at trade shows like this.

    1. Re:POP3 with SSL by derF024 · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about IMAP? Is it secure? Does it support SSL?

      both IMAP and SMTP also support ssl nativley.

      I use wifi around my apartment, and I encrypt everything via either ssl (imap, smtp and http) or ssh tunnels. After living on a non-switched college network for 4 years, I've learned to never trust the local network anywhere.

    2. Re:POP3 with SSL by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Informative
      Or just run ssh on the client and server and be done with it, but then again, it's far easier and more efficient to just use pine on the 'pop' server via ssh login when you are away. Or you could be uber-cool and run cyrus IMAP instead, then you are in sync and have all of your mail no matter where you are.

      ssh -N -l loginname -i ~/.ssh/identity_nopass -L 5110:localhost:110 pop.server.net

      In the above, you would configure your pop client to go to localhost as the server on port 5110.

    3. Re:POP3 with SSL by colinleroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      What POP3 daemons support SSL _NATIVELY_?
      Qpopper does.

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    4. Re:POP3 with SSL by petard · · Score: 2, Informative
      I use wifi around my apartment, and I encrypt everything via either ssl (imap, smtp and http) or ssh tunnels. After living on a non-switched college network for 4 years, I've learned to never trust the local network anywhere.

      It's good that you've learned never to trust the local network anywhere, but your comment implies that you could rely on a switched network for some sort of added security. You can't. It is trivial to sniff traffic on a switched network.

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    5. Re:POP3 with SSL by APDent · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Outlook Express is SSL-enabled. Googled "outlook express ssl" and found this: How to configure Outlook Express 5.X and 6.X to use SSL (Windows)

  4. At least ... by Gendhil · · Score: 4, Funny

    9% of attendees learned something from the expo. :)

    1. Re:At least ... by darth_silliarse · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...the other 91% were playing Quake 3 Arena

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  5. Good basic WLAN security info... by pir8garth · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is some good basic WLAN security info on AirDefense's knowledge center section of their website...

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  6. Application level encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This only verifies the importance of application level encryption. Every socket communication should be encrypted so that security doesn't rely on the network connection itself.

    Suprasphere encrypts all socket communication using a dynamically generated Diffie-Hellman key exchange. This is much better than SSL because it does not require using a CA so you can set it all up without any administrative overhead.

    Furthermore, all authentication uses a zero-knowledge proof so that a password is never sent over the wire. Even though the traffic is all encrypted anyway, this adds another level of security so that a compromised passphrase at one sphere will not allow authentication at any other. You can store a profile at different places that can only give you access if you can prove beyond a statistically reasonable doubt that you are who you say you are.

    1. Re:Application level encryption by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wouldn't that make man-in-the-middle pretty much trivially easy? All I would need to do is haxor the name server to point you to my evil box. You'd get a dutfilly performed diffie-hellman exchange just before all your data came into my posession. Your plan has no way to verify identity of the endpoints.

    2. Re:Application level encryption by 73939133 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This only verifies the importance of application level encryption. Every socket communication should be encrypted so that security doesn't rely on the network connection itself.

      And one very easy way of encrypting "every socket communication" is via IPsec. And, guess what, you don't need to hack every application to do it. Nor, for that matter, do you need

      Suprasphere encrypts all socket communication using a dynamically generated Diffie-Hellman key exchange. This is much better than SSL because it does not require using a CA so you can set it all up without any administrative overhead.

      OK, so you are putting in a blatant plug for a commercial product. Why not give a URL? Are you afrad the ridiculous web design at suprasphere.com would scare people away?

      As for not requiring a CA, ssh and SSL do not require a CA either. The ability to use a CA just gives you additional functionality that you simply cannot achieve without a CA.

  7. Not surprising by grokBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In my experience 'new' hardware such as this is always the last thing that people think about when it comes to security.

    With all the media hype about wireless, a growing number of people are simply buying an access point and a couple of NICs, flicking through the manual, and then running default configurations, because the average user probably isn't aware that what they are doing *is* insecure, and has never heard of WEP. No doubt this (and newer ideas such as 802.11x) will be in the 'advanced' section at the back of the manual with bluntly technical instructions filled with acronyms and concepts that a non-IT savvy person would simply skip over.

    Once it 'works', the majority set-it-and-forget-it - no different to the populous of home users running xDSL without a firewall, or those who never patch their boxes. A quick drive round your local residential area with a copy of Kismet proves this point for anyone with any doubt =)

    On the flipside of the coin, in the corporate world, sales reps, engineers, and other 'road warriors' should really be given this advice from their support teams, and have their machines configured appropriately in advance by someone knowledgeable - they really can't be held responsible for the lack of action by the correct department.

    1. Re:Not surprising by FattMattP · · Score: 2, Insightful
      With all the media hype about wireless, a growing number of people are simply buying an access point and a couple of NICs, flicking through the manual, and then running default configurations, because the average user probably isn't aware that what they are doing *is* insecure, and has never heard of WEP. No doubt this (and newer ideas such as 802.11x) will be in the 'advanced' section at the back of the manual with bluntly technical instructions filled with acronyms and concepts that a non-IT savvy person would simply skip over.
      Exactly. All of these articles somehow make it seem like the end user is to blame. The IT industry is to blame for most of this. POP over SLL and IMAP over SSL have been around for a while and most email clients support it. Why are ISPs still supporting regular POP at all? Why were wireless networking components manufactured and released without thourough review of the protocols. Why don't wireless devices auto-encrypt without intervention from the user like SSL does?

      The IT industry wants to market things like wireless technology to the average home user but then expects them to enable settings that should have been on and/or automatic in the first place. These people can't program their VCRs.

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  8. Not surprising by airuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in a small iniversity town. Even the shortest bike ride with my Zaurus running kismet finds many access points in businesses and homes unencrypted (war biking?). I often run ethereal for the few minutes it takes me to get up and order coffee at one of the local cafes. It never fails to catch pop and imap passwords, mail, and instant messaging conversations. I always use ssh or VPN, but I don't feel superior. Most of my own non-work related mail is sent in plain text.

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  9. Screenshot of AirDefense software... by pir8garth · · Score: 2, Informative
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  10. Jeez... by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next thing you know, people will be failing to apply patches.

  11. Re:That's it! by Lord+Kholdan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kinda like how's happening with illegal p2p usage? oh wait...

    If people don't think wireless security is imporant and we make a law that forces them to implement it then respect of law will suffer. Just like how it's happening with p2p. And do you really want to waste police resources to triangulate source of wifi signal? And even if they do that they'll still have to get a warrant to make sure the signal comes from the place they think it's coming. Whoops, you can't get a warrant for a crime that only has fines as a punishment. Let's put those who run unsecure wifi to jail! What a great idea!

    Only way to solve this problem is to make it illegal to sell wifi equipment without auto-enabled encryption. People don't care about the issue so any attempt to force them to care will be wasted. Attempts to force them to use will just be met with contempt.

  12. Arriving clue by HBI · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is it possible that most people don't give a shit about encrypting their e-mail because the contents of their e-mail are so inane and you can't trust the intervening steps?

    I mean really - if I want secure transfer of information i'm not going to use e-mail. The effort wasted securing it is truly wasted effort, in my view, because of the lack of a trusted MTA. I don't trust my ISP. They can read this shit. So can every other transit point. Do you? Don't you feel somewhat foolish for admitting that?

    I secure my IM. End-to-end encryption at least has a point there.

    That being said, the article seems to lack point - expecting 'more people' to do something that is fundamentally pointless.

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    1. Re:Arriving clue by jdreed1024 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Is it possible that most people don't give a shit about encrypting their e-mail because the contents of their e-mail are so inane and you can't trust the intervening steps?

      It's not the e-mail that's the problem. It's the fact that your password is sent unencrypted (with a few notable exceptions). And, a large portion of the time, I'd bet your password for the POP3 server is the same as that for a shell account with that ISP. Or FTP access to your web publishing directories. Or, if you're really stupid, it's the same as your online banking password.

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    2. Re:Arriving clue by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2, Informative

      I mean really - if I want secure transfer of information i'm not going to use e-mail. The effort wasted securing it is truly wasted effort, in my view, because of the lack of a trusted MTA.

      Use GPG. Then you don't have to trust anything, except that you have a geniune key.

  13. Wi-Fi? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm amazed that people still use unencrypted anything over the Internet (well, except http. I don't really care if someone knows I read /.)

    A few years ago I was given a demo of TCP-dump by a resident BOFH. First step was to read all of the private communications between a certain user and other people in a chat room. The next was to take a look at some people's emails as they were relayed through the router (including their POP3 passwords). Since that day I have not sent any password unencrypted...

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    1. Re:Wi-Fi? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm amazed that people still use unencrypted anything over the Internet (well, except http. I don't really care if someone knows I read /.)

      What do you care if someone reads your spam?

  14. Need new version of WEP? by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That's great for e-mail, but what about general browsing? Or telnet? Or any other communication that I might use with a public WiFi? And I'm pretty sure the POP3 providers I use have the option of SSL. So what do I do? Either say, "well, it's not safe to check my e-mail," or "screw it, I'll take the chance that someone sees my penis-enlargement spam." The point is that it isn't very efficient, realistic, or even possible to expect users to be securing every internet-capable application on their PC. So why not encrypt at the common gate -- i.e., the point at which all data goes in or out of the PC?

    If you use WEP, but everyone knows the key (e.g., at a trade show so you need to make the key public to let people on the WiFi network), I assume that's the same as unencrypted. However, why couldn't there be a RSA or symmetric encryption for 802.11[x]? So you make the public key for the access point, available, anyone with that can connect, but your PC/WiFi card encrypts every packet going out the door, so the traffic going from the client to the access point is now secure. Similarly, the client gives the access point its public key, so all the traffic coming back to the client is also secure. This probably requires a lot more overhead in the access point and client, but I don't think that it would be unreasonably so.

  15. access point security by ramzak2k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the problem lies more in the way the access points work at the moment rather than the end users not using POP without security. The best you can do with access points today is to set up single key (like WEP) that is shared among multiple users. The accesspoints of the future would hopefully have 2 WEPs: One to allow access to acesspoint and a second second one - dynamically assigned to individual clients(probably recognized by unique mac address) for all data communication between that unique client and accesspoint.

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  16. Re:How can they tell? by ptbarnett · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How can they tell how many people encrypted their email checking when you can't tell what goes over an encrypted link?

    The WiFi links were unencrypted, having been provided by vendors at the show that set up open access points.

    The question was whether the users implemented their own end-to-end encryption with their email servers, etc. via SSL, SSH, IPsec, or whatever. That's pretty easy to recognize.

  17. Use encryption! It's easy. by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Encryption might take a while to set up, but it's a very good thing. Not only for your own data.

    I'll explain. Many of us run web servers and let friends have sites or mail accounts on them. Now, I'm pretty sure that in most places reading your user's mail is illegal. Suppose you're logged in on your server trying to solve some problem by looking at what's going on with a sniffer like tcpdump or ethereal. Accidentally you see a friend's private email scroll by.

    Now, of course, this wasn't intentional. But what if you make a slip? The email could have been about some event you didn't know about. Then, a week later you forget where you got that information from, you ask that friend about whether his grandma got better. The friend then asks "How do you know that? You weren't reading my mail, were you?". Depending on how this person feels about you, you might get into some trouble.

    This is why on my server I provide IMAP accounts only though SSL. I never look in user directories unless needed. And I tell everybody who gets an account that if they want to be completely sure their data stays confidential that they should use PGP and that I can explain how to use it.

    It's not that hard to set up, anyway. Set up a mail server with SSL and you'll be able to check your mail safely from anywhere. Install SSH for administration. Install Apache SSL even if you don't need it much, to give the users who want it the ability to log in with an encrypted connection. Use an instant messenger like Jabber with a SSL connection too.

    Don't worry about self-signed certificates. A certificate from Verisign provides a rather small increase of security which people tend to ignore anyway. If you just want to avoid your traffic from being sniffed, it should be enough.

    Excepting web browsing, most of my data is encrypted. I even found that I can browse kuro5hin.org throught https. It's a good thing too, when I login my password won't be sent in clear text.

  18. and? by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So perhaps this *may* mean that only 3-12% of the people feel that what is contained in their email is important enough to encrypt. Why does this article assume that VPNs are necessary in every case?

    You know, it is sometimes good to be "paranoid", but often it is just that, paranoia. Do I care if someone sniffs my unencrypted "penis enlargement NOW!" emails? Security is not always the primary design factor, and sometimes is disregarded altogether in the face of getting things done.

    I can't help when I think of "security" of the push/pull battle that the U.S. Army had with the Manhattan Project personal. The Army, of course, say bogeymen under every rock at Los Alamos, but the scientists soon discovered that to aid in the project, many "security" concerns had to be circumvented...

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    1. Re:and? by volsung · · Score: 2, Informative

      I generally don't care whether my email messages are encrypted, but I do care about whether my email password is being sent out cleartext. Something like digest authentication would be fine, but I don't think IMAP or POP3 does that, so I have to go all out and use IMAPS.

  19. Universities are the worst by volsung · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Universities are probably the worst places for wireless security:
    • Many are installing public (or at least semi-public) WAPs all over campus.
    • They are generally not even using WEP because of the overhead and because the goal is to make it as easy as possible for people to jump on the network. (Yes, I realize WEP in most cases is worthless anyway, but it at least raises the bar.)
    • There is a high density of wireless users checking their email.
    • Few use IMAPS or POP3S either due to laziness or insufficient computational resources on the email servers.

    This all adds up to make it really easy to sniff usernames and passwords just by sitting in a campus hangout area with a packet sniffer.

    I have whined at my University for IMAPS support and was told that, while they were interested, they couldn't roll it out because their servers couldn't handle the extra CPU load from all that encryption/decryption. I suspect the answer is the same in other places.

    1. Re:Universities are the worst by Enry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We use Blue Socket boxes behind our WAPs, so while anyone can get an IP address from our WAP, you won't be able to get anywhere until you authenticate (via SSL). Since the wireless network is outside our firewall, you have to either use a VPN or SSL-web access to get your e-mail.

  20. Nah/Re:Need new version of WEP? by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Insightful
    However, why couldn't there be a RSA or symmetric encryption for 802.11[x]?

    Doesn't really work in this case. It's the network at these shows that is untrustworthy not just the airwaves. The only thing the WEP (if it works right) is good for is keeping people you don't want off your network; it doesn't actually add any significant security for the user from the network. So as a user in 99% of all cases you want end-end security, not point-point; because at each of these points the traffic is unencrypted and can then be sniffed.

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  21. Yes.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but not as trivial as sniffing on an unswitched network.

    Furthermore... if I'm the sysadmin, and I catch you running a sniffer, well, I probably won't care.

    If I catch you doing arp poisoning in order to intercept traffic on a switched lan, I'm going to yank your connection / get you fired / expelled / press charges for hacking.
    One involves listening. The other involves messing with stuff and deliberately breaking how things work.

  22. There doesn't need to be a study for this! by hardwire_bogomip · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its plain to see! Take my hometown.. right next to a beautifull mountain range. Just get on top of one of the mountains and use a dish tolook down.. 72% of the 180 networks that showed up within 5-6 minutes were all unencrypted!

  23. Because by CausticWindow · · Score: 2, Informative

    802.11b is slow enough already.

    Try streaming a DivX over wireless with encryption, it doesn't work. It barely works when you turn it off.

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  24. WEll by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Informative

    the point of WEP is misunderstood, as well. Yes, it was poorly implemented.. but it was not supposed to be the data security layer anyway... just "wired equivalent"
    That means.. it was supposed to be roughly as hard to get access to the actual network packets as it is when someone has a wired lan.

    The wire is not secure, as you know. Wires can be tapped numerous ways, invasively, or passively. Yes, the logic is kind of flawed, the situation is different.. but it just makes it harder to sniff, not impossible.

    IT wasn't supposed to be a replacement for using secure protocols.

    1. Re:WEll by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. WEP is good, if you have a situation where it's easy to set up, anyway. Copying those keys from one computer to another is quite a pain, and it's just plain impossible if you do a lot of roaming. Personally I have WEP on my home network, but I try to treat the network as though it's completely unsecured. Part of that means putting a random "answer" to those "recover your password" questions that my bank has. My email account is far too easy to break into to trust my life savings to. In the unlikely event that I forget my password I'll wait a week to receive a new one by mail.

    2. Re:WEll by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree. WEP is good, if you have a situation where it's easy to set up, anyway. Copying those keys from one computer to another is quite a pain, and it's just plain impossible if you do a lot of roaming.

      I agree.

      I have yet to actually get WEP to work for anything beyond a brand X access point talking to a Brand X card. There are actually 2 or 3 different notations vendor's use for WEP keys. I'm just to lazy to learn one more level of obfuscation that is cracked with a tool downloadable from sourceforge!

      Besides, in my place we have live jacks all over. I just assume that wireless is as vulnerable as a hardline. Anything one honestly cares about should by SSL encrypted. Besides, SSH also takes care of spoofing and man-in-the-middle attacks.

      Just because your access point is secure doesn't mean badness doesn't await you past the next router.

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  25. Overreaction by DoorFrame · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people don't care all that much about their home wireless networks (or their personal email) being encrypted, because there's no major threat. Sure, corporations need to protect their ever so secret information and precious bandwidth, but if someone near my house wants to go ahead and use my wireless connection, as long as it's not crippling my connection speed, so be it. Not a big loss for me. If someone is going to go through the effort to snoop my network, you're not going to find anything worth stealing that you couldn't get easier from Kazaa. If someone's going to be reading my personal email, well, they're going to be plenty bored. It's just not worth hacking into my computer, there's nothing of non-personal value on it.

    Security isn't a major issue for home users. That's why they don't treat it as such. Sorry guys.

    1. Re:Overreaction by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I mean
      it's not like home users access services at work, bank accounts, online shopping, credit cards, in house file sharing, personal financial correspondence, IP phone calls, and so on... they really have nothing to worry about.

      Hey.. why not stick your filing cabinet in the front yard with all the papers in it and say "free shit!" too!

      Home users don't treat security as a big deal because they don't KNOW the issues, because they are a bit too technical.. because joe average doesn't have time to get into the details.. not because he doesn't care about security.

    2. Re:Overreaction by Cyno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No?

      Fine, well, if I were to hack some corporation or person on the net I would do it through a wireless connection to some open network like yours, then hack through one of your systems and trash your system on my way out to delete as much evidence as possible. Its virtually anonymous and it doesn't matter whether your data is valuable or not. I'm not interested in your data, I'm interested in anonymity.

      You can trust 99% of the people, but it only takes one like me to ruin your day. And I think that is what all this paranoia is about. I exist. :)

    3. Re:Overreaction by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but if someone near my house wants to go ahead and use my wireless connection, as long as it's not crippling my connection speed, so be it. Not a big loss for me.

      Sure. Until he sends some kiddie porn to his buddies, and it gets traced back to *your* network and IP address.

      Prove it wasn't you.

  26. The Power of Defaults by sgarrity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This shows the power of defaults. Anyone who has done any wardriving will notice that a lot of networks have the SSID "linksys" or "default".

    Take it out of the box, plug it in, and it works. That's the beauty of wifi.

    I'm sure we'll see a move my manufacturers towards secure-by-default (as secure as possible, that is) as we've seen Microsoft trying to do with IIS in Win2003.

    That said, there is certainly a place for unencrypted open networks.

  27. yeah, wardrive and prove it! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 5, Informative
    I went wardriving the other day through a rich neighborhood in NJ. Good ol kismac, my Ti, and the stock Airport card/ antennas. After a 10 minute drive, we discovered nearly 20 open networks. A mere 5 of them using WEP.

    I was surprised that I was able to pick these up from the street. Also surprising was the names of some of the networks, I mean kittyNET, c'mon!

    Also, it's amazing how many people have linksys.

    USE WEP, PEOPLE! Or at least configure your router to only accept your computers' MAC address! jeez.

    There's lots of reasons to close your network to the outside. The main one being that you don't want to give people access to your LAN. Most people don't password their computers from other machines on the LAN, since they figure it's secure, but it's not. Also, I tried the default linksys password ("admin") on a couple of the networks, and would have been able to change router settings. Imagine setting up a dreamcast w/ wifi outisde of someone's house on their external power outlets and serving warez off their connection. sheesh.

    these routers should come with little pamphlets about wireless security.

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    1. Re:yeah, wardrive and prove it! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 4, Informative
      btw, screenshot:

      WARDRIVE!

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    2. Re:yeah, wardrive and prove it! by EchelonZero · · Score: 2, Informative
      actually, that MAC is for an Apple Extreme Airport:

      00-03-93 (hex) Apple Computer, Inc.
      000393 (base 16) Apple Computer, Inc.
      20650 Valley Green Dr.
      Cupertino CA 95014
      UNITED STATES

  28. ugh by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Informative
    The best you can do with access points today is to set up single key (like WEP) that is shared among multiple users.

    WEP is a horrible thing. I use it msyelf, but that's mainly to keep my non-techie neighbors from turning on their laptops one day, have windows xp realize there's a wireless connection in their range, and start using my bandwidth. I have no delusions that my data is secure since anyone could, with a little patience, use airsnort to find out what my key is.

    The accesspoints of the future would hopefully have 2 WEPs: One to allow access to acesspoint and a second second one - dynamically assigned to individual clients(probably recognized by unique mac address) for all data communication between that unique client and accesspoint.

    As another poster pointed out in this very article, it would be much better to have some sort of PGP encryption in the access point, where you send your public key to it, and it encrypts the data back. Problem with doing anything based on mac addresses themselves, is that you can change your mac address in both windows and linux

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  29. yeah, but ... by BigBadDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... did they mentioned that some access points go down to modem speed if WEP is on? The on board CPUs simply cant keep up doing WEP/64.

    I think you should forget about WEP and use IPSeC and VPNs instead

  30. Re:Not surprising (for other reasons) by The+Real+Programmer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ask that question again, "why would anyone target me specifically?" It sounds like you use Windows. It also sounds like you don't know what a script kiddie is. It really sounds like you haven't got a clue.
    There is a low likelihood that someone will engage in a targetted attack against your machine. However, with batch attacks being run by adolescents, targetting entire IP address ranges, you b0x could be 0wnz0r3d by such an attack.
    Your...question, "My point is, sure, if someone went to the effort, I guess they could hack my computer, but why would anyone target me specifically?" is the same view most people have. The problem is that your are clueless, and don't believe that it takes no effort at all to 0wn j00r b0x.

  31. Re:Interesting... by pe1rxq · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't about wep....
    Its about people using an insecure method to access their mail.
    The wireless access points were ment to be open to the public.

    Jeroen

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  32. The overall scope of security is more important by cenobita · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see this as too surprising..most people think that by installing ZoneAlarm and buying a Linksys router, they're immune to any form of attack or subversion. This extends to both wireless and traditional setups.

    As I see it, there are two very fundamental reasons for this: lack of awareness and lack of comprehension. The average day-to-day user doesn't even know what a firewall is..what are the chances that they'll have a clue about encryption? I mean, c'mon..we're living in a world of users who largely think that SSL means that they're safe as can be, that security is something you purchase, and the only difference between wireless and a traditional connection is a lack of cables.

    Awhile back, I was going on a pretty big BSD advocacy kick..y'know what finally made me give it up and shut my mouth? One girl had a bunch of questions, so I tried to answer them as best I can. I also wanted to make sure that I made clear the differences between Windows and BSD, as most MS users aren't accustomed to the file system, configuration, etc. So, naturally, I bring up firewalls, and how you essentially write your own rules for it by hand (in this particular instance, I was covering ipfw).

    Rather than take my advice, she immediately became defensive, ranting off about how she's not some AOL kid, and how she already has ZoneAlarm, so she won't need to worry about a firewall on BSD. I could go on and on with stories like this.

    I realize that this isn't just about wireless, but I don't think the issue is that limited in scope. Computer security is taboo to a lot of people, and unfortunately, it's a problem that needs to be addressed...or taken advantage of by those with a greater sense of what the fuck is up.

  33. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    WEP is useless security-wise. It's much better to leave your AP open, but require VPN authentication and encryption to get onto the actual network.

  34. WiFi Worm Challenge? by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wonder how long it will be before someone rewrites an a worm that checks for a 802.11 card and if so also uses a sniff/infect mode?

    Someone could cause chaos by strolling through a downtown with an infected system.

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  35. Re:Is there really any point to encryption? by Meowing · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The WEP stuff is still useful as "windowshade privacy." It's not useful so much as a security measure but to keep out accidental glances at your naughty bits, and it does at least put observers on notice that they're not supposed to be there. That's good enough to keep out most people, who are basiclly honest. To work on the remainder, who can either be an overly curious set of those bascicaly honest folks or even plain old bad guys, you can use a VPN, SSL/TLS and so on. WEll actualy in many cases you can't do that, because the networks or servers you want to use haven't been set up to offer those facilities. I know it's fun to blame those silly ignorant end usrs for this, but the responsibility really does fall with admins on this one, to at least make encryption available, and perhaps even mandatory.

  36. How to add WEP to your WAP by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a simple guide to setting up WEP on your WAP:

    1. Visit this page -- it will generate 13 random hexadecimal digits that you will use for a 128-bit key.

    2. Copy the resulting digits into a text editor and strip out all of the whitespace between the characters.

    3. Log into your WAP router and go to the Wireless configuration settings. Select the "128-bit encryption" option, and enter the generated key into the WEP key field.

    4. The last step is OS-dependent... In OS X, you would log on to the WAP as usual, except that now it will ask for a password. Select the dropdown box labeled "password" and change it to "128-bit Hex", then enter in the generated key. I believe OS 9 users will need to enter a "$" before their hex key for it to work properly. It won't let you paste the key in, so you will need to type it carefully. I don't run my Linux box via WAP, so I'm not exactly sure how Linux users would do this -- feel free to reply to this post and add other OS instructions...

  37. Possible solution for the average home user by seismic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The average non-technical user is happy enough just getting things working.

    Home users want to take their notebooks anywhere in the house and be able to surf. Business travel through airports (interoperability) may not even be their priority.

    Why should they be concerned about mac addresses or hex keys? Firmware upgrades to make things more compatible?

    Lets make it easy for them. Vendors should sell wireless home networking kits that have all the encryption turned on in advance by default, with drivers that assume this also by prompting for the prepackaged keys at install time.

    Joe user could buy a box containing an access point with two pcmcia wireless nics. By default those two nics will be the only onces that can access the access point. The shiny box that says "easy install" will be what clinches the purchase.

    Of course an advanced user could still change the defaults to suit their needs.. but that requires effort.

    Joe User will always assume the defaults are good enough for him, and they should be.

  38. Doesn't bother me. by man_ls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't bother me if my wireless traffic is sniffed...anything important I'm doing over a wireless connection (Secure HTTP for online purchases, SSH for shell access, etc.) is already encrypted at a higher level than WEP works at. There's no need to encrypt the entire network, if you don't care about someone reading your e-mail.

    Even if you do care, IPSec is probably a better choice than WEP is.

  39. Backupping fileservers... by mousse-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A good friend of mine has an interesting hobby - he's looking for APs and checks whether there's a mostly open file server around and then proceeds to copy the contents to the laptop, burn a CD or two and drop them into the phyisical mailbox of that company or office.

    In at least two cases, he got the contents of a lawyer office. Some people were supposedly not amused, but at least they accepted his help in securing their networks.

  40. hmm.... by 10bt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why is it that i am not surprised at this stat? the problem with the current state of wi-fi is that it is generally insecure by default. if you want to increase security you have to fudge around with cryptic configuration settings, and if you don't know what you're doing you can make your network even less secure or fubar the whole thing. the mass market consumer -- and this would be the target audience if wi-fi were to really take off -- should not be expected to know what vpn stands for or what a tunnel is besides the big holes that trains and vehicles go through.

    in an ideal world secure protocols would be built in and invisible to the user. out of the box all security measures would be enabled by default, so if you want to turn off encryption you'd have to turn it off manually. the dream of ubiquitous computing would be a nightmare without ubiquitous security.

  41. War-Flying / Monitoring Unencrypted Radio by zimmermantech.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My father and I have gone "war-flying" at 500 feet above residential areas in his Cessna 120 (2 seater airplane) and have literaly picked up HUNDREDS of open and unencrypted AP's within minutes. From what I understand, it is completely legal to listen in and monitor any radio frequency, so long as it is not encrypted and you do not publish any of the content.

    For fun in college, my buddies and I used to terrorize our fellow dorm mates by listening in on their cordless telephone conversations using a police scanner. We would call them back and mention parts of their conversation in amusing ways. We were always kind of hoping that we would overhear a girl say "I'm so horny right now" and then go knocking on her door at just the right moment. We were pretty pathetic...

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  42. Wireless or not -- secure email on the road by cait56 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Agreed. Anytime you are checking your email on the road it should be secure. ssh tunneling is one method, secure webmail is another.

    What amazes me is that so few firms understand that their "road warriors" are their weakest link in their security. You frequently see firms where engineers are told they cannot work from home, even with ssh tunneling, "for security reasons", but the companies' road warriors are zipping in and out of airports with detailed business plans and spreadsheets sitting on their unsecured laptops.

    Hint to sysadmins, if you're letting them fetch their mail over a clear connection, you'd probably let someone else pretending to be them send email through the company mail server.