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Michigan's Proposed Spam Law Called Toughest In U.S.

goats_in_boats writes "A new bill (PDF or HTML) was presented to the Governor of Michigan that would require spam sent to residents of the State to be identified as such. Highlights include the requirement that unsolicited email 'Include in the e-mail subject line "ADV:" as the first 4 characters' and that 'a person who violates this act is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both.' An article in the Detroit Free Press calls the bill 'the most stringent anti-spam law in the nation.'"

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  1. ADV: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we just need a few more laws in different states, mandating a different set of initial 4 characters. SPM:, AVT:, etc... That would make it reasonably difficult to send nationwide SPAM with any guarantee of legality.

  2. Can this be effective? by taped2thedesk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I live in Michigan, and am quite pleased to hear this... but I do have to wonder about the effectiveness the bill will have.

    1. Enforcement: How will they actually prosecute (or even find) spammers that violate the law? I'd say there's a pretty good chance that there will be quite a few complaints. Assuming they're even able to backtrack and find the spammers who violate the law, a large number of violations could render this law unenforceable. It takes a good amount of time to review the violation, try to track down where the e-mail came from, etc. If they can't effectivly track down violators, the law won't do much.

    2. Interstate/International commerce: While this should affect spammers in all states (as explained in another post), how will this hold up with international companies? Does this stop a company in the US from sending it's spam through a Canadian e-mail advertising agency? Does it apply to non-US companies at all? I'm far from a legal expert, so if you have any ideas please share them.

    1. Re:Can this be effective? by michaelp99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be more effective to after the companies that the SPAMers are advertising for? Though I haven't researched how SPAMers make their money, but I assume that they all require a credit card if they want your money. IF it is a legit credit card transaction, you can trace it to who collects the money. At that point you have the person to sue....

      Of course you need to enter a credit card number... anyone want to volunteer theirs?

    2. Re:Can this be effective? by David+Hume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Enforcement: How will they actually prosecute (or even find) spammers that violate the law? I'd say there's a pretty good chance that there will be quite a few complaints. Assuming they're even able to backtrack and find the spammers who violate the law, a large number of violations could render this law unenforceable. It takes a good amount of time to review the violation, try to track down where the e-mail came from, etc. If they can't effectivly track down violators, the law won't do much.


      I suspect they will handle this the same way that the IRS handles enforcement -- i.e., a relatively small number of well publicized prosecutions against high profile defendants where they really destoy the defendants.

      2. Interstate/International commerce: While this should affect spammers in all states (as explained in another post), how will this hold up with international companies? Does this stop a company in the US from sending it's spam through a Canadian e-mail advertising agency? Does it apply to non-US companies at all? I'm far from a legal expert, so if you have any ideas please share them.


      I have no doubt that Michigan will take the position that it has personal jurisdiction over any person or company that intentionally sends e-mail to Michigan residents in violation of the statute. I have little doubt that the courts will uphold this assertion of jurisdiction. Traditionally, when a business specifically solicits business in a state via mail or advertising specifically targeted to residents of the state (e.g., advertising in local newspapers, local TV and radio stations, etc.) it is held to have submitted to personal jurisdiction in that state.

      As you can see, this could become quite a mess of conflicting and overlapping state laws. If it does, I suspect that Congress will have to step in and enact federal legislations that preempts the entire area.

    3. Re:Can this be effective? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be more effective to after the companies that the SPAMers are advertising for?

      I've been asking them same question, but taking it a step further and wondering why we're not bothering to enforce many of the existing laws against fraud, bad advertising and so forth as a means to reign in the spam problem instead of the less palatable email regulation laws we've been seeing proposed (and endorsed by many people who otherwise won't run software that isn't GPL'd).

      All the recent articles I've read about spammers basically indicate that spamming is a contract business seperate from the people selling products. As you say, eventually most of this involves a highly tracable financial transaction between buyer and seller, which should enable easy nabbing of people conducting these transactions.

      Get enough serious convinctions for fraud and should be able to put a significant dent in the spam business; do that, and you should curtail a lot of spam.

  3. Why is this being pushed so hard? by metalhed77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as I dislike spam I find it disconcerting that so much focus has been put on it by politicians. Our current government has major structural problems which have been getting little press as of late (such as the bush mandated discrimination against pro-homosexual bureaucratic policies). The fight against spam is trivial, yet has a powerful hold. I think its largely the result of common support from all consumers + it makes politicians look technologically adept and forward thinking. In short, it's low hanging fruit, an easy win. This question has been asked a million times, but, why can't we focus on what's really going on.

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  4. Exemptions seem to be missing by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (a) "Commercial e-mail" means an electronic message, file, data, or other information promoting the sale, lease, or exchange of goods, services, real property, or any other thing of value that is transmitted between 2 or more computers, computer networks, or electronic terminals or within a computer network.

    I can't quite decide if this covers donations and political messages, the usual exemptions you see in these bills.

    I'm guessing the word "commercial" was inserted in there to make the exemption implicit. A shame.

  5. What if by Ken@WearableTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What if a Michigan citizen is checking his e-mail from a server in London, from a hotel room in Tokyo?

    Michigan never enters the scope. Who and what has to be in Michigan for this to work?

  6. Re:Piece of junk by veddermatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, if you wish to solicit by email, you have to put 'ADV:' at the begining of your mail. What's so hard about that?

    Then you are in compliance, and you don't get fined, and people who don't like spam can filter you out.

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  7. Re:The ADV: is not of much use. by gvonk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how many lines of code would it take to block the whole message at the mail server? This could be an option the user could enable, and then the server itself only downloads the header before rejecting the message.

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  8. the detroit free press and fearmongering. by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    i don't like spam. it is annoying and a waste of bandwidth and disk space. however, the detroit free press article is a flagrant piece of fearmongering. here's a short quote (don't worry, it's short enough to classify as a "thumbnail"):

    One mother told me that when she found pornographic messages in the family's e-mail, she immediately suspected that the teenagers in her house had been up to no good. The broken trust took weeks to repair.

    and that's the basic tone of the whole piece: spam is a trojan horse rolling sexual material into the living rooms of godfearing, wholesome americans.

    of course, it's not worse than the detroit free press who provides for the solicitation of prositution....

    1. Re:the detroit free press and fearmongering. by jdreed1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not justifying the newspaper's stance, but consider this: How much of your spam is porn (or, "stuff kids don't need to see", to include the Viagra, russian brides, and breast enlargement stuff)? In my case, quite a bit. In fact, now that the mini-RC car and Iraqi playing card crazes have died down, I'd say about 70% of the spam I receive is of an adult nature. And of that 70%, at least 50% has a subject line that gives no indication of this (ie: "Missed you last Tuesday", "Fred gave me your e-mail"). And if I had kids, you can be damn sure I'd be upset about it.

      Now, if I were a parent, I'm clueful enough to know that a e-mail from "Candi", with the subject line "Forgot your IM?", and pictures of naked chicks attached does not mean that my kid has been soliciting sex online. But a lot of folks don't understand that. So the situation described in the article is not that far-fetched. (Again, I'm not justifying it.)

      On a related note, I think "adult" (porn) spam will get worse before it gets better. Why? Because I'm willing to bet it's the product that gets the highest response rate. Mortgages/loans? Even Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel knows that you get a loan from a bank, not from joe@spammer.com, who advertises with the professional subject line "Reduce your rate by 5pct ashdjkas zhgyaia qhuiehi". Pyrmaid Schemes? OK, grandma who just got a new e-mail account and gets screwed by Publisher's Clearing House anyway might participate, but not that many other people. The other products? Who's going to by a mini-RC car from some guy online, when you can get them cheaper at the local toy store? How many people are clamoring for the "Banned CD" from the guy who "is contributing to the moral decay of society"? With the exception of the adult goods & services, everything else can be purchased at a brick & mortar store. The viagra and other stuff lends itself to the faceless environment of the Internet, and before too long, I think you'll see that it will be the only thing they're selling.

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  9. Re:Out-of-state by DMDx86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If someone out of state sues you (or a DA charges you with a criminal offense) in an out of state court, what can they possibly do to make you show up?

    They can't send a Michagan State Trooper to Florida to serve papers or forcible bring someone into court (Look at the incident in Texas with the Legislators who left the state for a few days to break quorom, which is a violation of the law, - the state police knew where they were but could not arrest them because they were in Oklahoma).

    This is why we need spam laws to be at the Federal level, but even then, our reach won't cover asian spammers (Unless you can get Dubya to declare war on Weapons of Mass Spammage).

  10. This law's fatal flaw by jbs0902 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From Sec 3 of the Act:
    "an e-mail service provider that the sender knew or should have known is located in this state or to an e-mail address that the sender knew or should have known is held by a resident of this state"

    Requiring willful conduct or intent as this law does (in Sec 3, not Sec 4) puts a huge burden on the prosecution/plaintiff. With email addresses that have no physical correspondence to the receipt's real address, how is the spammer supposed to "know or should know" if the resident is in Michigan? Once this, nearly unprovable, element is part of the crime, the crime becomes nearly unenforceable. And, all the draconian requirements that got this law the press coverage may be ignored.

    I guess the real battle is "can you assume that if a Domain Name is registered to a MI address that the email server is physically in MI?" After all, the Domain Name's mailing address may be a corporate headquarters and the server may be located in Florida.

    Sec. 4 of the Act is a good old strict liability requirement (no intent or negligence needed to prove the crime). But, the requirements imposed by Sec. 4 aren't that odd, just standard "truth in advertising" applied to email.

  11. Something nothing by poptones · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In government, doing something is often worse than doing nothing. As evidence I cast a hairy finger toward a law called the DMCA. And another called COPA. And another...

    It would be nice to see someone enforce these laws. Every one of these spams leads to someone making money from them - that's why spam exists. Every one of those websites selling viagra knock-offs, or porn, or selling mailing lists can be traced to someone who profits from these sales. Those are the people paying for the spam; make them accountable - cut off the money - and the spammers go away.

    California has had "antispam" laws for quite some time - can anyone point to a single prosecution of these laws?

    Well, at least "something" in this case isn't worse than nothing... yet... but the way Michigan has been heading, that end seems inevitable.

  12. The problem with laws like this one by bweinman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any law that says you must label spam (e.g., put ADV: in the subject) has two major flaws:

    1) It only addresses half the problem, and it's not the important half. It does nothing to ease the burden on the mail servers that must transport the spammer's trash.

    2) It sanctions what would otherwise be an illicit act.

    As it is today, the act of spamming may or may not be illegal, but once a law is enacted that says "label it", the spam becomes sanctioned by law. Without that law, a hosting company can dump a user for spamming. With the law, it becomes more difficult because the spammer can say "I followed the law!"

    IMHO: We're better off without laws like this.

    --Bill