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Apple-Quality Intel Laptops?

arashiakari asks: "I have to buy a new laptop soon and I am having trouble settling on a brand or model except one that I cannot use. Apple's iBook laptop is beautiful, functional, lightweight, and made of high quality materials. I would buy one today except that I am a professional programmer and MUST use the same platform my compiler targets: Intel. So far each Intel-based laptop I have looked at is both grossly over-decorated (Compaq, Toshiba) and made of cheap flimsy materials (Dell), or has the combined problem of being overpriced and under-powered - with external bays for everything (Sony). IBM is expensive, but they are as close as I've found to "right" ... with Toshiba in second place. It seems like Intel-based laptops are either hot ugly tanks or oversized PDAs, there seems to be a scarcity of balanced well-thought-out and produced machines. Does the Slashdot have any suggestions?"

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  1. Find a good trade-off, and choose. by Flying-Cow-Man · · Score: 4, Informative

    What I've always liked about Apple's notebooks is their ability to make the right compromises between size, weight, cost, speed, expandability, etc. I'm not saying they're perfect, but I agree with you that they're usually a lot better thought out than most of the wintel notebooks out there. You're better off asking yourself what your priorities are in a portable machine, and then picking a box that was built with the same priorities as you. As you said, the VAIO line is well designed, but often lacks features and speed. Do you need that extra speed? If you're looking for a devel machine then maybe you should just bite the bullet and buy a chunkier box.

    Another poster suggested testing your apps in VPC on the Mac, but I think a virtual machine is the last place you want to be debugging test code. Any chance you could move to high level development? That way the test platform wouldn't really matter, just use your OO language of choice.

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  2. Did you check out Fujitsu--Offline? by dotcomian · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was roughly on the same quest as you a year ago. I spent too much time searching for online product reviews that it eventually crush my head. I decided to go to a local computer mall, and browse around the products that I've reviewed online. The product that I actually picked was none of that I thought was good (based on the reviews), it was a Fujitsu Lifebook S Series (6010); as I expected it's the closest thing that can come to iBook's quality, screen is definetly the best of all other notebooks I've used (Dell, Compaq, Toshiba, Vaio, Acer, Gateway, etc), the magnesium alloy screen cover is very solid. And oh, it has a superdrive--the same one used in ibooks!

    All in all, it's the tiny bits of design detail that catch my attention on this well built pc, fujitsu actually manufacture it themselve in Japan, unlike others that usually outsource their production line to taiwan.

    I would suggest you to go and check out the physical product yourself, ask for a live demo, try launching programs, use the disk, connect to an external mouse just like how you'd use the computer; a 20 minute of physical test is much better then a 2 weeks of reading online reviews.

  3. Alienware? by E1v!$ · · Score: 4, Informative

    With all the big names flying around, have you considered an Alienware machine? They're not the lightest in the world but they look to be fairly high quality.

    They bill for games, but performance is performance.

    1. Re:Alienware? by Coke+in+a+Can · · Score: 4, Informative

      Alienware resells Cleo (?) laptops, just like Sager and a few other manufacturers. Sager notebooks are the same quality, and $600 less in the case I configured. The exact model is the Sager 5670 (that alienware sells as the Area 51m). The support from powernotebooks.com, one of Sager's resellers, is really amazing.

      sager: sagernotebook.com
      powernotebooks: powernotebooks.com

  4. Sager by MrProgrammer · · Score: 5, Informative
    I use a Sager notebook. Sturdy, inexpensive, and extremely powerful.

    Sager laptop owner forums

    Sager reseller

    It may be a somewhat unknown brand, but I have been totally blown away with it. Check out the specs and the forums.

  5. This is expected... by OneFix · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thing you have to do is understand why IBM and Apple are at the top of their markets.

    One reason...they build their own Notebooks...take a look at this page and then you'll understand why...

    The short answer is Alienware, Toshiba, Dell, Compaq, etc are all made by the same companies...chances are they are all the same laptop.

    Sony, IBM, and Apple all used to design their own notebooks...Apple kind of has to (yet they still use ODMs to assemble their boxen), and Sony and IBM have started to slip recently (using some of Quanta's ODM systems).

    But if you want to find out how good the notebook is, find out who really made it.

    Of course, you can always buy from the site that I linked to. They will sell notebooks without an OS and even have a Linux Forum. Not to mention they have unmatched customer service.

  6. Ways to get Thinkpads for cheap by John+Harrison · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Find an IBM employee. They can give you access to the "friends and family" store. Sometimes the discounts are amazing.

    2. Become a stockholder. Stockholders also get access to discounts.

    3. eBay. The IBM store on eBay has some sweet deals.

    If you save enough money you can go out and buy a cheap iBook as well. Have the best of both worlds.