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SETI Gains Respect, NASA Funding

securitas writes "After having its funding cut off by Congress a decade ago, the SETI program has just received a NASA five-year grant (Google link) to participate as a lead team in the NASA Astrobiology Institute, which investigates the origin and future of life in the universe. For more information, see the Astrobiology Institute's announcement and the NASA press release."

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  1. NASA funded? by inaeldi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I didn't know NASA had enough money to donate, with all the cutbacks and whatnot.

  2. this is great news by PhysicsExpert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its about time that SETI got some serious funding, its mainly been kept going by enthusiastic amateurs over the last few years and at one point in the early 80s it actually looked like it was going to close.

    One thing they should be able to do with is money is investigate the interesting readings they've been getting from proxima centuri, where several M class planets have been discovered. The chances of it being life are small but the fact is that the 55Gev readings they've been getting are a complete mystery so even if the're just coming from a tachyon field it should produce some interesting new data

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    1. Re:this is great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, I still call this government hipocracy. They dropped funding and turned their backs when nothing was seen coming from the project. And not that a few hundred scientists have started finding interesting stuff (55Gev) in their spair time, the government is ready to walk in and calm the victory themselves. So typical.

      Anyway, about the 55Gev, it's really interesting, I've heard stories that whatever it is, the civilization that made those stuff (if one existed) would have now vanished. Incredbile thinking we are looking at intelligent lives that are no longer around, scary at the same time makes you feel kinda lonely and depressed.

  3. Re:Waste of money by NicenessHimself · · Score: 5, Interesting
    SETI is important because it:
    • seeks to answer an important question: are we alone? Statistically, probably not. But finding that 'first contact' will have a world-altering impact upon technology and religion etc
    • gets punters involved in science
    • utilises information already gathered and processed for other astronomical research. It really is about making maximum use of the data gathered by the radio telescopes of the world
  4. Chance or Design? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is important to note here that the U.S. government through its agency NASA has officially thrown support to the adherents of evolution.

    If there is no evolution, then there is no chance that life would exist anywhere else in the universe because it would have had to have been Created only here. The New Testament of the Bible (in which most Creationists readily and eagerly believe) repeatedly claims that there is only one Son of God and that only through Him is salvation possible. This would mean that if by some chance that there were lifeforms elsewhere in the galaxy that they would have to be perfect beings or destined for Hell. Since a loving God wouldn't create beings guaranteed to spend eternity in the flames of Hades, it stands to reason that God would have only created Life here on Earth (where, again, He sent His Son).

    But with NASA supporting the search for ET life, the government has implicitly thumbed its nose at the Creationists.

    It's about time, if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Chance or Design? by Kinniken · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He was human incarnate, not human. Why couldn't he have been "Ugly bug-eyed monster from Proxima Centauri incarnate" or "Betazed incarnate"?

      You can be absolutely certain that if intelligent life were discovered tomorrow, on Earth or anywhere else the scriptures of most of the major religions would prove flexible enough to accomodate it.


      I have no doubt that at least some churches would adapt, but it would be far more difficult than what you say. For a start, any alien life would be most likely very different from our own ; not only physically, but in terms of psychology, values, organization, beliefs... simply "transposing" the Bible to their civilization and thus making them "human equivalents" would most likely be totally impossible.
      Even supposing that they look and behave enough like human for such a transposition to be possible (or more likely, that not enough is known about them to disprove it and that the churches chooses to believe it is the case), you are still left with some big, big problems. For a start, Humanity is no longer the sole "summit of creation", as claimed by the Bible. We are no longer "created to God's image". And even with your idea of a "Christ-incarnate" in the different alien races which solves the problem of having multiple sons of God, that still means that the Crucifixion and the Resurrection were not unique - they happened a number of time in different alien worlds.
      I suppose Religions, including Christian one, would adapt, but definite proof of the existence of Alien civilizations would require massive updating of the Churches' beliefs.

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  5. Finally.... by VladTheBad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I never understood why it was so hard to give funding to a program that could make the most important discovery yet.... (except for oil on mars... that'd be the only thing that'd get us off this rock faster...)

    At least they got the 24 hours of time to point Arecibo where they wanted before... now maybe they'll get more time, more radio telescope data to send out as workunits.

    The whole program seemed to be a great use of national money to me when I first learned about SETI, and its still a good place to invest money I think.

    Of course, I could be wrong....

  6. What about seti@home? by Lispy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, with all the infrastructure and the servers running smoothly I personally believe this to be a very promising effort. So are they in or are they out of the funding?

    cu,
    Lispy

  7. Re:Waste of money by DarenN · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As much as i would love to support the search for life in the galaxy sometimes its not a good idea. Although i do think that as humans we should try to search any money we put into a project like this is as good as gone and in finacial hard times like this we cant afford to throw around much.


    At the risk of starting a flamewar (I'm in an asbestos suit :P) attitudes like this piss me off enormously. All this stupid "we shouldn't put money into this, that and the other because of hard times/the poor/the children" is spurious.

    Fact: Agencies like NASA can stimulate the economy, by virtue of their sheer size. The same, but more so goes for the defense establishment

    Fact: many items which we take for granted today would not be a reality if it wasn't for the research money the governments provided

    I believe the single greatest hope for the eventual equality of all (which is somewhere in the american constitution, right?) is technology. You may or may not agree with this, you might say education, for instance, but more effiecient and cost effective ways of teaching and learning will come out of research.

    The "I don't want to pay so my descendants will benefit" attitude is an attitude that would have wiped out the human race, or any species, for that matter, if it was rife. If you are bemoaning your contribution, there is nothing stopping you disappearing into the hills and living as a hermit (except that wouldn't fit in your comfort zone, would it), while the rest of us go and make progress for the benefit of the species as a whole.

    This is also the reason that 20 new types of disposable wipe a year piss me off so badly.

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  8. Re:Waste of money by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "seeks to answer an important question: are we alone? Statistically, probably not."

    Statistically, almost certainly. Barring accidents or idiotic governments that totally devastate the human species, we will have colonised the entire galaxy in a million years or so, and be conducting engineering projects on a massive scale that would be visible from many light years away: the odds of the only two intelligent species in the galaxy evolving within a million years of each other are probably pretty slim, so if they existed they'd be here by now.

    I run seti@home just on the offchance that we're lucky and there is someone else around, but statistically, if there really are aliens out there, they should be as difficult to find as a million-strong herd of penguins running around Manhattan shouting 'Phear The Penguin Horde!'.

  9. Re:Waste of money by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think that if you really wanted to save money, SETI would be one of the last programs you should cut. The total budget is $10 million a year not including the cost of building new telescopes which were privately funded. The article doesn't mention how much the grants are worth but I don't think the amount is going to come anywhere near their budget. The US government alone has spent $60 billion dollars on a missile defense system that doesn't work yet. Compared to other programs, SETI is extremely cheap. Cutting funding to them to save money while useless programs 600x as large still exist is ludicrous.

    Unlike missile defense, SETI has at least succeeded in their original goal of mapping out 1000 stars. Their next goal is a million stars. Alternatively, SETI has succeeded in a another field. Because of their lack of funding, SETI's need for computing power helped to pioneer the use of grid computing. Although, this is a side benefit, SETI first showed how massive grid computing is possible at a minimal of expense.

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