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How to Legally Infuriate the RIAA?

An anonymous reader shot us off a link to an article discussing how to use the RIAA's System to Broadcast Music Legally. Now, I'm no lawyer, but if the facts are correct in this article, we're talking about a price point that makes streaming radio extremely inexpensive. There's a lot of worthless spite in this article, but if you can look past that, you might see something worth thinking about.

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  1. stupid strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    When will people get it?

    RIAA has money. They own shares in CNGRS (Congress).

    Worldwide we need a better tactic of defeating them. The laws of all countries (not just USA) are being written by these guys. The world will become more restrictive and of course the general public won't give a shit because hey gues what .. THEY CAN BE FOOLED.

    Can somebody come up with a practical idea that informs the public of the evils of RIAA and the true virtues and benefits of P2P and why RIAA must be stopped in their campaign to destroy the technology.

  2. Change my files?!!?! by Davak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In an effort to stamp out piracy, the software should also do something that most people would find a little offensive, in a spyware sort of way. The software should search all cache directories, and, without the users knowledge, or more controversially, permission, and rename all .MP3s and .OGGs found to the encrypted file types. Guilt is presumed, that should make the $!#£@*rs happy.

    Sounds like a great idea up to this point! What the hell are they thinking? Why would you need to do this?

    Why should all the songs that I personally rip and use LEGALLY be changed to some other format?

    This guy does have a great idea... I don't know why he threw this little curve ball.

    Davak

  3. Re:How to Infuriate the RIAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But the point is doing it completely legally, using *their* system. Following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. The spirit gets STABBED AGAIN AND AGAIN, which is an idea that appeals to me.

  4. Math Challenged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    "A closer look at the webcast rates shows that it charges .07 cents per song per listener. For the math challenged, if you have 100,000 listeners, you pay 70 cents per song"

    huh? .07 * 100,000 = .70?
    uh, more like 7K?

  5. Not a chance... by volkris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's obviously not read the regulations very carefully...

    Among other places where this scheme is legally questionable, the rules explicitly prevent radio stations from doing things like allowing listeners to democratically select which songs to play.

    There are also a whole list of regulations specifying what orders songs can't play in, how often they can play, etc.

    And that's not even getting into the somewhat complicated setup with the actual music houses that collect royalties, which aren't the RIAA itself.

    This guy needs to do a little more research and try again.

    1. Re:Not a chance... by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are there any regulations about what the definition of a "station" is? Or how long something can be cached?

      I picture something like this... I've got a playlist on my computer with a few, or a few dozen, or a few hundred songs. My media player accesses this list, and also monitors a central server that recieves information from hundreds of different webcasters about their current and upcoming playlist.

      Any time one of those webcasters starts to broadcast a song thats on my list, my media player switches over to that station and starts to play it. If someone else starts to play a diffent song on my list while the first one is still playing, my media player will cache the second song and start it when the first one ends. If we're having trouble finding one of my songs out there, the media player will put in a request for me at a random station.

      If I've got a reasoably diverse song list, and there are enough webcasters out there, I'll hear nothing but the music I want to hear.

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    2. Re:Not a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Curious, I have a much better system: I just play the music I want to hear.

    3. Re:Not a chance... by darksaber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point... The fingerprinting service already has a legit use, as proposed by Shawn Fanning, so it's ok, but may not be separately available in his setup. A program for scanning through an audio stream an identifying what songs played when would be good for auditing purposes, those it wouldn't really need the same ~second accuracy. Maybe an indie band/label could use it to verify that a station was paying them the right amount though. Saving and splitting the audio stream up already have legitimate uses, though the format used might have issues. Of course, the little wrapper that combines them all would definitely be a candidate for lawsuits about "contributory copyright infringement".

      So what we really need is for an indie label to provide such a program so you can split up a webcast of just their stuff. That way, they get paid when you first listen to the webcast, and you get to keep mp3s or oggs and listen to them later and skip the pay-per-play part.

      This brings to mind a question about audio fingerprinting... Clearly, the fingerprints are meant (regardless of reality) to be robust to small changes to the content that don't affect the quality substantially. Otherwise, ripping or re-encoding them destroys the fingerprints. Are any of them capable of matching a different recording of the same song by the same band without a high false positive rate? The other recording could just be from a different studio session (for a different CD) or maybe from a live performance (which would probably harder). Here, even an answer of "looks like this song by this band but definitely not the same recording" would be useful.

  6. Distribution of IP? by johny_qst · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IANAL so I would like to know what requirements are set upon the webcaster of audio for purchasing the IP that is being streamed? Must the 'DJ' account for his having purchased and through fair use ripped the copy that is streaming across the net? Can a lawyer help me out here.

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  7. Is his math right? by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It looks like he forgot one multiplication.

    .07 cents per song played
    Played 10 times per cached copy
    4 MB per song
    20 GB total cached songs
    20,000/4 * .07 = $3.50

    .07 cents times 10 plays = .7 cents

    So isn't the answer $35?

  8. Now that's the way to obfuscate anything! by Mickut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Additionally, the files should be obfuscated in a way that they are not able to be played directly on any media players other than those that are used to collect royalties. Inquirer Labs US proposes that all files have their names changed to .MPx or .OGx to prevent misuse.

    Hold on while I obfuscate my code by renaming all the .py files to .pl as everyone surely knows .pl looks just line noise. :-)

    On a more serious note, how sad is it that a person describing a technical solution comes up with such a method for "obsucating" a file. Or are the MS-world media player dumb enough to ignore the contents of a file if the extension is not known? I know that you wouldn't be able to just double-click on them, unless you tell it (on the first time) which program to use with those files, and most of the ordinary people are too scared to open "unknown" files with any program.

  9. Griping without reading by bpm140 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The author suggests searching all "CACHE* directories and encrypting them. This is an (honestly weak) attempt to limit people from requesting songs and then keeping them on their computer for reuse, which I think would be theft in the RIAA's eyes.

    As long as you weren't ripping your own music into this program's cache directory, it would be safe.

  10. Math Challenged by devnullkac · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A closer look at the webcast rates shows that it charges .07 cents per song per listener. For the math challenged, if you have 100,000 listeners, you pay 70 cents per song.

    Unfortunately, the author is math challenged to the tune of 100x: that's actually 70 dollars per song.


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  11. The better way... by mcgroarty · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The better way to infuriate the RIAA would be to have a "station" that's really a framework to broadcast music contributed by the users, and to then have those users pay the broadcasting fees.

    I promise you that it would cost the RIAA more to process a five thousand 7 cent checks than they'd earn in the exercise. :-)

  12. If you really want to annoy them -- by heff · · Score: 1, Interesting


    Boycott them, dont buy cd's until they stop treating their customer base like garbage.

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  13. ain't no revenge like geek revenge by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Here's what I do to the RIAA. As a professional cybersecurity mastermind, I know how to take down info-terrorists like Mattel, Michael Sims, and the RIAA.

    1. First, find a good contact address like hillary.rosen@riaa.com.
    2. Post the contact address, not munged (as in "sNOSPAMeNOSPAMtNOSPAMhNOSPAMfNOSPAM@NOSPAMsNOSPAM eNOSPAMtNOSPAMhNOSPAMf.NOSPAMcNOSPAMoNOSPAMm") to Slashdot.
    3. Post spoofed e-mails from this address on the Usenet.
    4. Leave negative reviews for the RIAA's products on respected review sites such as Epinions and Amazon.com.
    5. Organize a boycott.
    6. Organize an Internet petition.
    7. E-mail the news media to get them to cover your story.
    8. ???
    9. Profit.
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  14. Umm... no. by buss_error · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Can somebody come up with a practical idea that informs the public of the evils of RIAA and the true virtues and benefits of P2P and why RIAA must be stopped in their campaign to destroy the technology.

    Gee, we could go on that 24 hour news program, CNN. Uh oh. It's owned by Time Warner...

    I know, we can go on National news.... oh, yeah, maybe not....

    Well, there's always RADIO, but then again, I guess RIAA would take a dim view of Clear Channel doing that, and would cut them off...

    Or, I know! We can use P2P to... Oh, yeah, P2P is being villified and made illegal...

    (humor mode on)
    Well, than it's back to what I've been saying for ages. Quit buying RIAA music, tell your friends, and ask they tell their friends. When RIAA members see their sales go down by even 30%, I suspect that they would start putting pressure on RIAA to tone it down.

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  15. I have a better idea by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Set up your streaming web server, and pick a song. Any song, preferably a long one. "Tubular Bells, Part 1" is a good choice, and runs about 24 minutes so you could play it 60 times a day. Every day.

    100,000 people would probably tune in at least once, more for the novelty value than that they like Mike Oldfield's work if I'm guessing right. Then you dutifully send your check to the RIAA . . . for seven cents.

    Actually, if you were into that sort of thing, you could probably run an accounting DOS on them by paying your royalties, seven cents at a time. Make sure it's a check, because those take a certain amount of work to process. Or better yet, pay by credit card, seven cents at a time. MasterVisa charges a certain amount to process a credit card transaction, and it's got to be more than seven cents. (Even if it doesn't if you do it by mail you have to have someone physically open the envelope and at least look at the letter, which takes time and money. And you would, of course want to send it by letter.)

    If people really want to peeve the RIAA a certain amount of old-fashioned monkeywrenching might do the job better than an elaborate high-tech solution.

    Disclaimer: This post for educational and entertainment purposes only. Do not try this at home unless you are a trained professional, and probably not even then. I will under no circumstances be liable for any monetary damage this causes you, including the seven cents you're out. Close cover before striking. Your mileage may vary. The management is not responsible.

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  16. But wait, there's more by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way it was worded, it also sets up a folder that contains an 'encrypted' cache of songs, ostensibly to ease bandwidth. This encryption involves changing the last letter of the filename. How long do you think it will take people to come out with a one button, highly illegal, program that loots this cache, providing you with an easy way to legally download lots of MP3s at 7 cents per hundred. If it takes 5 minutes, I will personally e-mail the authors and deride them for being so damn slow.

    There are other benefits also, but the two you pointed out are some of the better ones. I was aiming to screw them with their own rules. Go nuts people.

    -Charlie

  17. Wow, what a great idea.....:-( by lost_n_mad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, so we talk about setting some songs on some computers with a bit of clever hiding so it won't be d/l'ed, but streamed it to users on demand. Wow, what an idea....sure wish we had that for the Mac, oh wait we did, and it got broken and turned into a P2P technology.
    It really was a good idea the daap:// protocol hidden in iTunes and allowed anyone to connect to a playlist and play it the way they wanted to, but then someone got greedy and wanted to copy the songs they were listening to, so iLeech was born. Took all of a weekend for it to start appearing. Once this guy get's his distributed streaming going for Window's it would be what, all of a day or two before someone has hacked the protocol so that the stream is a d/l?
    I want a legal way to share music, and there to be a way for me to pay the artisits for their work, but until the RIAA is bankrupted I'm sticking with concerts, and only the twice a year CD purchase.

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  18. Re:Poking a few holes by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What am I missing that makes this legal?

    What you're missing is that he is proposing paying the $0.0007 fee per song they have written into law. (The fee is several times higher than radio stations pay.)

    On the otherhand, you're right about pokinh holes into it. He just looked at the fee structure and ignored the other 99.44% of the law. For example the fact that the law forbids listeners the ability to select what they hear or even to know what is coming up. He also completely ignored the $2000 minimum fee per broadcaster. I doubt you could consider the entire system to be one broadcaster. It doesn't matter what the per-song fee is if each person has to pay $2000 per year.

    I'm sure he trips over several other parts of the law, but those are the first two points to pop to mind.

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  19. Re:My biology was right, but my math was off. by The+Cydonian · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Perhaps you want to read the whole sentence; the guy's saying they don't herd above the Arctic Circle and that too due to deforestation (in an apparent attempt at El-Reg-style humour).

    Sheesh, you'd think reading posts carefully was simpler than googling and posting pointlessly.

  20. Rhapsody, Pressplay, etc by Greyjack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's do some math. Say you have music of some sort playing most of the time during the day while you're working at your PC, either at home or at the office. To make the math easy, let's say 10 hours a day, 10 songs every hour, 25 days out of month. (this is typical for me, at least)

    So.... 2500 * $0.0007 = $1.75. Let's call it two bucks, just to make things easy.

    On top of that two bucks, what other fees would be involved? Let's see... if we're streaming the feeds at 64kbps, over 250 hours, I'm using 8GB of bandwidth. If we're paying, say, $0.25/GB bandwidth for broadcast, that's another two bucks per month.

    So, we're already at four bucks per month, just for bandwidth and music licensing. What about the other overhead costs -- servers? Software? Sysadmin detail? Even if we're doing this in an open source fashion, our time still has value; let's say that by distributing the work amongst Free 'net community, we manage to keep it down to another two bucks of cpu/server/development/admin per user.

    So, we're at six dollars per month for the ability to listen to audio webcasts. Which, by the terms of the RIAA's license agreement, means we're talking web radio here -- someone sets the playlist, and you get to listen to it. You don't get to control the feed. You *can* switch feeds, though, so you could conceivably maintain a central server list of what's playing where, and what's upcoming, and automatically hop from feed to feed -- but, that's either gonna be choppy, or you're going to have delays while you're waiting for "Lose Yourself" to start playing on JoeBob's homebrewradio after "Mmmmmbop" finishes up 17 seconds from now.

    What if JoeBob decides to shut his webcast service down so he can max his framerate in Halflife2? *foop!* your song just cut out halfway through.

    What if you want to listen to Pepesito Reyes' La Guantanamera, but nobody else is streaming it?

    How does all the music get into the system in the first place? Or does it rely on people's own personal collections?

    So... $6 per month can get a fair amount of music broadcasts, but not without a fair amount of headaches.

    Contrast this with Pressplay and Rhapsody, which provide access to hundreds of thousands of songs on demand, through easily installed software, for $10 per month. Download, install, listen to whatever you want.

    Are the commercial stream-on-demand services enough better to justify the extra $4/month?

  21. Piss them off illegally by dygital · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have high doubt of any massive legal action from these idiots. You can't stop piracy, they induced it by having high exorbitant pricing. I stongly support the Apple's "$1 a song" thing built into it's media player. That is a nominal fee. Anyways, I still use kazaa, and I have no fear. They wont prosecute me. I can say I didn't authorize them to penetrate my firewall to scan my ports for file sharing. I remember seeing a news article stating since the recent threats from the RIAA, sharing went up 11%. I hope their threats backfire. Let's keep sharing! :)