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How to Legally Infuriate the RIAA?

An anonymous reader shot us off a link to an article discussing how to use the RIAA's System to Broadcast Music Legally. Now, I'm no lawyer, but if the facts are correct in this article, we're talking about a price point that makes streaming radio extremely inexpensive. There's a lot of worthless spite in this article, but if you can look past that, you might see something worth thinking about.

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  1. Re:Odds of being trampled on by zebras ? by KDan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only problem is the guy who wrote this blatantly has no idea how statistics work. There's about 300'000'000 ppl in the US. If the odds for someone of being "trampled by a herd of zebra above the Arctic Circle, while being hit by a meteor and lightning" were 1 in 10'000 (say per year, but you can adapt this to any period of time), the odds would of course increase as you go south - so they would be even greater (read 10'000 gets smaller) in the US. Imagine they stayed the same. This would mean that every year 30'000 people would get "trampled by a herd of zebra, while being hit by a meteor and lightning". Obviously completely stupid. The odds of all these things happening at the same time are much, much smaller than 1 in 10'000.

    So basically, the author of the article needs to go back to secondary school and learn some basic maths. The odds of getting snuffed by the RIAA are pretty significant. 1 in 10'000, given 35 million file swappers, would mean that about 3'500 will get caught, put in prison, fined large amounts of money. And the ones who are most likely to be caught are, sadly, the ones sharing the most music (logically). The conclusions seem pretty straightforward, and unfortunately are not good for file-sharing.

    Daniel

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  2. Re:Math Challenged? by kikensei · · Score: 2, Informative

    .07 CENTS. IE: 7/10th's of a cent. So, yeah, 7000 cents, I get $70 dollars.

  3. Register's referrence by SoSueMe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Register also has an article on webcasting and the RIAA. The two articles together show how webcasting may be the RIAA's Achilles heel.

  4. Ridiculous by theNote · · Score: 5, Informative

    He links to the rules regarding royalties, but the method violates virtually every regulation governing webcasts:

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#11 4

  5. Re:Poking a few holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The church of the RIAA gets it't tithe of $0.007 per song streamed. Now if we do the math(Not that I like math).

    43200 Minutes a month
    3 Three Minute songs on average.
    14400 Songs streamed per month.
    100.8 bucks paid per month

    That will give you the ability to stream to one person a single file for an entire month.

    What he is getting at is to create some software to make use of this setup. So while you are listing to music you are also serving it out, thus nullifing your per song obligation. Meanwhile you pay a monthly fee that will be rolled back to the network and used to pay the RIAA tithe.

    And all will be happy, and stinkiness will be purged from denmark.

    Fscking with MP3's on the users hard disk is a side effect. (Like throwing a bone to a dog (Bitchas of the RIAA)

  6. There is software by BlueTooth · · Score: 4, Informative

    no current internet radio software allows you to pick the songs you want to hear

    False.

    It is called Otto.

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  7. Re:Not a chance... by Therlin · · Score: 4, Informative
    Among other places where this scheme is legally questionable, the rules explicitly prevent radio stations from doing things like allowing listeners to democratically select which songs to play

    Actually that's what this XM station is all about. People vote for their favorite songs (online or on the phone) and the top 20 are played. Then the votes are counted again and a new playlist is generated.

  8. Sigh... by jareds · · Score: 2, Informative

    And $0.0007 * 100000 = $70, which means literally "seventy dollars", not "seventy cents."

  9. You should have seen the other links by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 2, Informative

    There were a few things that were edited out of the origional, and a few things that should have been, but weren't. First, thanks for the complement, I was giggling my ass of when I thought of that.

    As for the stuff cut, there was a link on Mussolini dying that doesn't take much to guess the contents of, and a proposed one to the editorial policies that I will save for another day. :)

    Additionally, I found out the use of the phrase of P*gF*ck*rs gets censored on the Inq.

    I didn't mind any of these changes though, some I expected, others I agreed to.

    -Charlie

    (yes, I wrote the origional)

  10. Re:Math Challenged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    .07 cents means 7/100 of a cent, not 7/10 of a cent.

    .07 cents * 10,000 = 700 cents, which is $7.

  11. Re:Not a chance... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are some details:
    • No interactivity - Program can not be created for the user. Requested songs not played within the hour or at a specified time.
    • No more than 3 songs in a two hour period from the same album/CD
    • No more than 4 songs in a two hour period from the same artist or box set
    • No advance notice (published) of music, unless the format is classical and you have a history, prior to 1998 of doing it.
    • Archived programs must be at least 5 hours long and not available for more than 2 weeks.
    • Webcasters can't allow user, if feasible, from scanning for a particular song.
    • Webcasters can't encourage users to copy/record music. If webcasters use a system that helps to prevent recording of the webcast, webcasters must enable the copy prevention option.

    There are others in the linked text, and in the law itself.

  12. Re:My biology was right, but my math was off. by Jonathan+the+Nerd · · Score: 3, Informative

    It uses a loophole in the law to pay them a lot less than what they want ($1 per month per user for unlimited downloads, rather than $17 per user per CD), and there's nothing they can legally do about it, unless they change the law that they themselves lobbied for. Plus, it takes control of distribution away from the RIAA and puts it in the hands of the users. That's what will really infuriate them.

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  13. You got it. by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is basically the point. The RIAA would think it is theft, but it most likely technically lives up to the letter of the law. The hope was that any brain dead monkey could go in, copy the files, and have an MP3 collection from it. *THAT* would be illegal though, but the company has nothing to do with it, and frowns on cache tampering, just look, it is in their terms of use. :)

    -Charlie (The articles author)

  14. Re:Not a chance... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is MTV2's control freak. (OK this is tv)

    Yes, and as such the content is already licensed under a negotiated license.

    Radio@Netscape Plus has CD listeing parties and some songs are on a VERY heavy rotation

    Maybe they have a license. Maybe they're breaking the law. I bet if the RIAA found out about it they'd send a cease and desist.

    launch.yahoo.com - Lets me view "any videos" of my choosing in their catalog.

    Again, videos are not covered by the statutory license. So I'd bet that yahoo has a negotiated license with the copyright holders.

    netscape or something similar also has CD listening parties.

    You said that one twice, right? What is the selection like? My quick look at the site seems to suggest that it's extremely limited. If so, I'd bet they have a negotiated license. Remember, you only need to follow these rules to get the statutory license. If you get permission of the copyright holders, you can do anything you want.

  15. Fuzzy Math by dentar · · Score: 2, Informative

    A closer look at the webcast rates shows that it charges .07 cents per song per listener. For the math challenged, if you have 100,000 listeners, you pay 70 cents per song. It's seventy DOLLARS per song. 100000 listeners * .07 cents = 7000 cents.

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  16. Re:Poking a few holes by Helter · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're getting hung up on the details, and not understanding them.

    What he's describing is little more than Kazaa, but with an accounting feature that will track file dowloads and pay the RIAA .07 cents per download. Basically, it's a P2P system in a radio stations clothing.

    This way file sharing would be charged at the same rate that radio stations do.

  17. Already been done... by Prep · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out LaunchCast
    They've been doing this for several years now (create a personal radio station). They get by the rules that which "explicitly prevent radio stations from doing things like allowing listeners to democratically select which songs to play" by letting listeners rate music, which performs two tasks: 1) a rather TiVo like function, using your ratings to find new music you might also like and 2) to help decide what songs you get to listen to. Note that listeners aren't saying "I'd like to hear song X next." Instead, listeners are simply showing preference for a song, artist, album, genre, or other member's preferences. The best feature is the "Red X" option, to ban a song, artist, or album from your station. It's quite swank. Best of all, it's free for basic service, and an actually reasonable subscription for enhanced features.

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  18. Re:I have a better idea by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uhm, but see, if you send them a check for 7 cents, they'll send you a bill for the other 199,993 cents. And if you feel particularly inclined to spend the time and money to divide that $2,000 fee into 28,572 seperate checks, you probably have enough time and money to do something effective with it, like lobbying congress or contributing to the EFF.