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Ten Lies About Microprocessors

cloudkj writes "Processor selection too often turns into a religious war. Debunking the dominant myths is the first step towards making a rational choice. Embedded.com has an article highlighting the 10 most common lies and misconceptions about microprocessors."

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  1. INTEL Clarification by trompete · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm glad that the article author clarified just how important Intel is to the entire processor market.
    Those of us who only use desktop machines have a hard time seeing past Intel/AMD/Motorola. Let's face it: the next processor decision I'm going to make is going to be whether I want to stick with AMD or go to Intel for my next gaming machine.

    1. Re:INTEL Clarification by trompete · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes. The point of my post was that most of us never see outside of Motorola/AMD/Intel because we only use desktop machines and don't think about what's running our microwaves.

  2. Top 10 Lies about Microprocessors by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    10. Tin foil helmets will protect us from rays and mind-control particles from microprocessors.

    9. Intel from Mars, PPC from Venus

    8. No, Porky Pig did not give the PPC its name when he tried to say "PC".

    7. Celeron was not named after Celery

    6. Go ahead, you can buy a Pentium 3 without worrying that the Blue Man Group will knock on your door and bore you to tears with their post-modern Bolian-hued Mummenschanz antics.

    5. "It's a chip, does this mean I can eat it if I dip it in bean dip?"

    4. "I paid $2,000 for this screamer back in 1987. It will blow the socks off anything you will put up against it"

    3. "Mine's bigger than yours"

    2. "Intel Inside"? Consider that label to be a warning.

    1. "Get me a microscope. I'm going to open up my PC and look at my micro-processor.

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    1. Re:Top 10 Lies about Microprocessors by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Funny


      Speaking of celery, one of the funniest lines in the book "Ultimate Rush" was when one hacker says to a Fed about another hacker, "He couldn't hack celery with a machete!"...

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  3. GHZ is meaningless? Of course it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Based on actual performance.
    "PPC by design handles better than x86. The Ghz is meaningless."

    Except that it is one of the ways that x86 way outperforms the PPC. PPC is so far behind; the speeds of the current ones were "state of the art" for x86 back in 2001: downright languid.

    Yes, actual performance does not matter. That is one of Apple's main marketing messages when marketing machines with sluggish processors in them to try and fool buyers into thinking it does not matter at all.

    1. Re:GHZ is meaningless? Of course it is by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, actual performance does not matter. That is one of Apple's main marketing messages when marketing machines with sluggish processors in them to try and fool buyers into thinking it does not matter at all.

      Careful, you'll piss off the karma-sucking Apple zealots, a scary and VERY defensive group.

      Anyway, right at the moment, it looks like Apple does actually have the fastest desktop-class machine on the market (at 5x the cost of an Athlon pulling 90% of that performance, of course). However, in typical Apple style, they'll manage a few gens of gradual G5 speed improvements, then fall behind the PC world for another five years. All the while switching from their current "we have faster CPUs" gloat back to the more traditional Apple-apologist line of "well, they ''feel'' faster than PCs and look nicer"

      But no, don't piss off the Apple fans, for they have mod points and always use them to vote down realists (and I say "realists" rather than "PC zealots" because many Windows users would love to run OS-X instead, if doing so didn't result in a machine that costs more, has worse performance (though technically not right at the moment, at least for the high-end Macs), and essentially no real upgrade path beyond "buy a new one").

  4. Heres my top ten by Froze · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. I don't want the latest processor
    2. I am perfectly happy with the one I have.
    3. Having a faster CPU would make me more productive.
    4. I bought the cheapest one because I want to support the underdog.
    5. Noisy CPU fans don't really bother me.
    6. If I get the most expensive one, I won't have to upgrade for a long time.
    7. My life is so much better now that I have CPU x.
    8. I don't envy you your brand new CPU, because mine has a years long proven track record.
    9. Nobody will ever need a 64bit CPU for home use.
    10. I only read newsgroups for the articles.

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  5. Missed the biggest one of all... by smoondog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    #3: Instruction sets don't matter

    I would say:

    #3. The clock speed is a good estimate for processor performance

    They implied it here, but even in this world today, there are competent people that think clock speed actually matters when comparing one processor over another. I had an IT person who controls a pretty big budget actually compare a processor in a 8way Sun server to a 21264 alpha chip using only the magnitude of the clock speed as the only performance benchmark. As most (should) know, clock speed works for ranking processors within a family, but mean very, very little in the real world. It's obvious, but as long as purchasers think this is true bad decisions are being made...

    -Sean

    1. Re:Missed the biggest one of all... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I used to work for a company that had two plants. One of them bought DEC Alphas solely because the CPU clock speed was higher so it must mean that they can outperform Sun machines. It didn't matter to them that Alphas are not as supported in terms of software selection like Sun, HP, or IBM. All they cared about was the clock speed. This plant also decided that VB5 was the best programming language to use on the back-end and that IT development should be handled by each division (Engineering, HR, etc) in the plant.

      Our site bought Suns because they gave us a better deal that HP did. We also decided that Java would be used on the back-end. Each division can do their own localized development (no projects with plant or company impacts), but IT development is to be handled by IT.

      It was ironic that though we had as many staff as they did, they had 20x the number of contractor and consultants and took them years to do what we could do in hours.

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  6. Interesting, but one nitpick by LizardKing · · Score: 3, Informative

    Definitely an interesting article, and I'm even inclined to read some of the authors stuff. However, he might need to clarify that bit about the Dhrystone benchmark being thirty or more years old. If it is, then it wasn't written to allow comparison against the performance of the Vax as he claims. The first Vax systems didn't ship until the late 1970's, a little over twenty years ago.

    Chris

  7. Good read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Best quote from the article: There aren't many strong brand reputations in the microprocessor business but ARM enjoys one of the best. According to their reputation, ARM's chips are endowed with an almost magical ability to run on bright sunlight or the energy released by rubbing a cat. An ARM processor, two lemons, and some copper wire are all that's needed to build the latest PDA, it seems.

    Some of Slashdot's trolls would do well to pay attention to the cynical wit present in that statement. Overall though it's a very well-written, concise, and informative article. I'll be quoting his statement on MIPS next time a cpu discussion comes up.

  8. Not all Micrprocessor are reliable as each other by plusser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take a 486 processor and the latest pentium 4 and then run them for 4 or 5 years. Due to the way that modern processors are manufactured as the die features are much smaller, then there is a high probability that the Pentium 4 has now stopped working:- The 486 is still likely to be going strong.

    The problem is this, it is fine having the latest technology fitted in the a piece of equipment. However, if you expect that piece of equipment to be operational for an extended number of years, don't select the most powerful processor avialable. Fit one that is reliable and is likely to still be in production for the foreseable future.

    Ahh, some of you would say, surely you can emulate an old microprocessor in the future if you need to. Good premise, but if you are building for an application that is incorporated into a safety device on an aircraft or even a car, you will spend an absolute fortune re-qualifing the replacement software. An if you are only building a a few units for spares, it is one easy way of going bunkrupt.

    and this is before I start talking about whether the microprocessor will operate in the temperature, vibration environment and the effects of atmospheric radiation at altitude.

    Working outside the PC industry, there is a lot more to consider than you would think....

    Plusser

  9. Re:Huh? by ctr2sprt · · Score: 2, Informative
    There is one. The argument he's debunking:
    If performance is increased, the cost will increase; if the cost is increased, the price will increase. Therefore, a higher-priced CPU delivers higher performance.
    The problem with that argument:
    Price and cost are unconnected: the price will move up or down regardless of the cost.
    It's not terribly clear because he omitted a step from the argument, but I suppose otherwise the title for that section would be too long and unwieldy.
  10. Re:rather pointless by neden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For those in a position to select one of these embedded processors, they already know all of this.

    Umm, I believe this assumption is not a good one. Lots of people working in embedded systems believe some of these myths. This article is aimed at making sure everyone in the field is aware of these pitfalls. For example, I've seen lots of CPU selector charts specify Dhyrstone MIPS to indicate CPU horsepower.

    K.

  11. Great article by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It could be summarized as: "Myth #1: IA32 is good." All in all, a great article. Speaking about myself I might add that for me MMIX is the perfect processor (at least the most perfect designed so far) and I always look at every CPU architecture with the most important factor being how close it is to MMIX in certain aspects. I wonder what is the perfect processor for other people here on Slashdot. I bet for most of you it is Alpha, but I may be wrong.

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  12. -1, Troll by Salamander · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The author seems to enjoy dispelling myths but, in this and one of his other articles (RISCy Business) that he links to, he seems to cling rather stubbornly to a couple of his own. For example, I just read twice about how "some RISC chips" don't have multiplication instructions, even though most do nowadays. But hey, it's a convenient club to bash with, just like the one about code density. The guy's a troll. He hates RISC for some reason, and perhaps he has some good points to justify that dislike in the embedded space, but in his zeal he just goes too far into exaggeration and misrepresentation. He also needs to read H&P to understand the real rationale behind RISC, instead of the strawman rationale he gives in the article.

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    1. Re:-1, Troll by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quite right. The choice of the processor should be appropriate to the job in hand. Do you need high code density? Maybe go with CISC. Do you need to execute many simple instructions quickly? Go with RISC. Do you need low power? Choose something simple with a lowish clock frequency. Do you need fast floating-point? Maybe choose a DSP. Do you need to be able to program in a high-level language? Choose one with a good cross-compiler. As with everything else in life, there are no absolutes.

  13. Q3 benchmarks by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    What about Quake3 FPS benchmarks. OMG! *everyone* knows that only the Q3 benchmark can prove with processor is better. To say otherwise is blasphemy!

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  14. But This Goes Up To 11 by Uosdwis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was an interesting article. I enjoyed the 'There is no one answer' stance the article took. Being a mac user I know all about the holy wars and punishment due. Being a developer in the Aerospace embedded market processor choice is very important.
    This goes to show you what (even educated) people think because of TV/marketing. The CPU is the 'brains' & mark of a computer, Intel chips are the fastest, .. etc. I tell most people that there calculators have more computing power than the Lunar Lander, they scoff. If you tell them there are computers in their car, they ask where the mouse & monitor are. Computers are only used to surf and type. Don't even tell them they have uP in their phones.

    People are just like computers, they can be programmed.

  15. Thermodynamics by bobbozzo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the article:
    the wee ARM6 consumed less total energy than the others gave off as heat.

    -1 Redundant

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