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Yahoo Buys Overture for $1.63 Billion

securitas writes "Today Yahoo announced it plans to buy search technology company Overture for $1.63 Billion. The move is seen as a way to compete with rivals like Google and MSN, especally in the paid search and advertising category. This takeover occurs following this article about Google and Overture's race to secure partners for its paid search advertising. Other reoprts at CNN Money, ZDNet/CNet, AP via the Washington Post, Reuters, Bloomberg and Dow Jones via Yahoo. Press release at Overture and Yahoo."

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  1. too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it too late, has google established such a name for itself that people won't try anything else?

    Altavist was popular but full of ads so it was easy to switch because google was ad-free.

  2. yahoo?? by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Didn't yahoo just recently buy inkotomi? I mean geeze it's insane that a college project would even have the ability to pop 1.83 billion at another company.

    Anyways I remember with Yahoo was "partnered" with altavista and it became big enough to be it's own search, hell I remember there being a "search more..." that would link to hotbot and other search engines of the day. Then there was the "partnership" with google, who became big and started to innovate after yahoo promoted them.

    I think Yahoo needs to decide if it wants to be a portal or a search engine, because it's trying to be a one-stop-shop. You got games, music, movies, stock, travel, auctions, email, directions, and the kitchen sink. Is ad revenue really that big for these companies?

    I stopped using yahoo when I realized that google found what I needed quicker with more precise search words. In essence I switched from yahoo to google because google was better.

    Innovate don't just buy out the small fish, that practice is really old and sort of annoying.

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    1. Re:yahoo?? by DeusExLibris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I think Yahoo needs to decide if it wants to be a portal or a search engine, because it's trying to be a one-stop-shop.

      I think you miss the point of diversification. Yahoo doesn't target the techno-literate as a primary customer base. If you ask your mother or uncle where they get their information, though, chances are good that Yahoo is still their home page. Consequently, it makes perfect sense for them to try to be "everything for everybody", even if they aren't the best at any of them.

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      > Is ad revenue really that big for these companies?

      Yes. Take a look at this. Yahoo reported almost $200MM in ad related revenue in 1Q03. Notice also, that they attribute some of that (although they don't say how much) to a deal with Overture for paid listings. My take is that Yahoo did this because it is cheaper in the long run to assimilate the partner than to continue to pay them a slice of your profit year after year. On top of this, it gives them some control over competitors that currently use Overture.

      This looks to be a shrewd business move to me.

  3. This isn't what Yahoo needs by Shinzaburo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yahoo should have saved its pennies. Sure, buying Overture improves its position in the paid placement portion of the search market, but what Yahoo really needs is a search function that is on par with Google. People have been defecting from using Yahoo as their primary search engine for years, and they're not about to come back unless Yahoo can offer search results that are comparable to Google.

    This acquisition isn't likely to help Yahoo do what it needs most: better searching. Until they achieve better search results, people are going to continue to defect to Google and its brethren.

    1. Re:This isn't what Yahoo needs by nelsonal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While Yahoo is using some of its cash, most of this transaction is stock, which is pretty cheap currency. It dilutes your current owners position, but they generally don't seem to mind. Tyco made a business out of doing little more than buying companies and issuing stock for almost a decade. This probably has pretty good cash returns, Overture pulled in about $50 million in cash last year, and Yahoo is only spending $300 million in cash, which is a heck of a lot beter than the 1%-2% money market returns Yahoo was getting on the cash.
      Also this is only about half their cash hoard, so they easily have enough to survive a very extended downturn. Their only major cash use is acquisitions, the core business generates cash.

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    2. Re:This isn't what Yahoo needs by threemile · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yahoo gets its search results from Google and Overture. The results are displayed as such:

      1 Yahoo Listing
      1 - 3 Overture Listings
      N Google Results

      Since the bulk of Yahoo's listings are Google listings, I'm curious as to how they can not be considered "on par."

      It is intersting to see people berate web search when in reality 85% of results come from Google, Overture, and Inktomi no matter what site you are searching on - i.e. web search is already ubiquitous. I suppose it is proof that people are very influenced by interface, hence the preference for using Google.

  4. The part I always find funny? by Corvaith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't really use Google because it returns better results. I mean, it returns pretty good results. I manage to find what I need. But I really use Google because, while they do have advertising, their advertising is not obnoxious. It doesn't pop-up, blink, animate, or pretend to be legitimate search results or articles. It *does* occasionally actually pertain to what I'm looking for, as opposed to Yahoo's continued insistance that I need to lose weight and find a man... using, of course, the insanely-expensive Ediets and Yahoo! Personals.

    So, in the end, Google would win even if it took me a few minutes longer to find what I wanted, because I can *bear* spending a few minutes on Google. Ten seconds on Yahoo, and my eyes are bleeding.

  5. Here we go again... by mnmlst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to this morning's Wall Street Journal, what we are seeing right now with the NASDAQ is consistent with previous boom and bust investment cycles. It seems that there is a big runup, a big fall, and about 2.5 to 3 years later, a revisiting of the now-despised investments. Eventually, that residual boom dies off too. The expert they cited in the story figures the NASDAQ will peak at around 2400, well above its current 1750-ish level.

    Before this is modded offtopic, what this means is that Yahoo!, which has enjoyed a tremendous runup in this recent boom now has some cash to invest. Looks like they are trying to do some expansion like back in the good ol' days when we had AOL buying Time Warner. Look for some other mergers and acquistions unless or until this boomlet ends.

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  6. The tide is turning by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the latest in a series of buyout announcements that have come along in the last few weeks. It looks like the business community is preparing for economic recovery and these deals are meant to position themselves all the better for it. Most significantly, these deals are coming from several different industries:

    Peoplesoft & JD Edwards (software)
    Oracle & Peoplesoft (software)
    Lehman Brothers & Neuberger Berman (finance)
    Yellow Freight & Roadway (trucking)
    Boise Cascade & Office Max (office products)

    Let's see what the next few months bring, but the mood is definitely shifting.

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  7. Re:Yahoo is mad by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never heard anyone who wasn't in a Yahoo commercial use Yahoo as a verb. Ever.

  8. Plain and simple.... by Ian+0x57 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...google gives better results. If now yahoo gives better results i'll switch. The internet is my tool to help me find what i need to know, i'll use the best search engine who ever it is. As for advertising, yes it is nice to see so litle at google but i have learned to ignore all advertising now anyway. A page has them imbedded and I barely notice it.

  9. I use Google... by henriksh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mainly because they have the usenet archives. There's just so much information there, that you can't get anywhere else.

    Also, it really helps that they don't have irritating ads, and that it renders great in lynx.

    How on earth is Yahoo!'s gonna compete with that? Seriously, I'd like to know. By using a state-of-the-art search engine? That's not going to cut it, not by a long shot.

  10. Google is better by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having used Overture, I can safely say that Google will remain the leader in search engine technology.

    Here's an example. Search for "linux" using Overture. The results are all paid results, worthless sludge like "training classes" and "hosting providers."

    Now search for "linux" using Google. You get relevant, useful results with all sponsored links clearly separated from the good stuff. Of course, most people aren't as smart as me, so they might click the sponsored links. I remain convinced that Google is the best search engine ever.

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Google is better by release7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think people Google is counting on people to mistakenly click the sponsored links. Otherwise, they wouldn't have taken the trouble to clearly label their links "Sponsored Links" and space them off from the other links. I've clicked sponsored links knowing full well they were paid advertisements simply because it looked like they had something I was interested in seeing. In fact, I've clicked on far more Google Sponsored Links than I have banner ads. Google is doing it right.

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  11. Re:Names make no real sense... by yerricde · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is Microsoft's software in any way "micro"?

    Before personal computers evolved from 8-bit microcomputers ("micros" for short) to the VAX clones we know and love, Microsoft was making software for micros.

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  12. Re:Yahoo -- Overture by BlueTrin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem comes also when:

    some people/businesses with really deep pockets is interested by your bussiness, as you emitted new shares, the part of the company that you and your associates are holding is lowered.

    your shareholders see that the value of their shares is going down

    everybody is realizing that you need money and they start to investigate on the validity of your projects

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  13. It's just the right time by chia_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not too late at all. First, consider how the different search engines changed in popularity over the years. Lycos was big for a while, Alta Vista...no need to list them. I remember getting an email from a friend..."Google has over a million pages indexed!". That was the big news, then I started using it. As have many others. Times can change. And they will. Just because Google is number one now doesn't mean they'll stay entrenched in that spot. It's not like buying software for your computer and then not wanting to switch because you'll have to buy new stuff. Plus, you can always TRY another search engine, and if it's better, then you switch and tell your friends.

    This is also interesting because of how all the different engines depend on each other in one way or another for their rankings.

    Think about how many web developers, designers, consultants, etc are all bragging about their search engine placement capabilities. Obviously it's the next thing to make money on. The big boys want to make sure they're in there as more and more people are relying on search engines for business.

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  14. What's the point by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    of a 'better product' unless there's more people using it? They're giving it away for free in hopes that people will view ads, so *of course* they want more visitors. If google had a $10/year version with no ads, I bet they'd make a load of money off that, AND save bandwidth and processing power (or fit more *real* results in the same bandwidth). Sadly, I suspect that anyone that did this would price it higher than most could afford. $9.95/year *feels* like a good price point to probably a majority of consumers, but I think it'd be priced at $24.95 or $39.95/year or $14.95/month or something insanely greedy. :)

    Probably what'll happen is google (or maybe teoma or someone smaller) will try 'ad-free' pages purchased in bulk - like $5 gets you 1000 ad-free results pages or something like that, so I can use them when I want, not on a timed basis (doesn't slashdot have this in place now?)

  15. Re:Yahoo is mad by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The interesting irony is that if their results turn into Inktomi with Overture ads on top, that'll be exactly what GoTo.com, the company that eventually renamed itself Overture, was.

  16. Re:Oh, great. by DeepRedux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This IPO decision is more in the hands of their venture capital backers (Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers and Sequoia Capital) than in the hands of the founders. A VC wants to cash out at some time, not hold forever. Once the market for tech IPOs picks up, Google will go public.

  17. Good Move by Yahoo. by sirrube · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I currently use overture to advertise one of my online products. The fact is it would take so long to get my page up on the search rankings that I would miss loads potential revenue for people doing a search for my product. Using overture it costs me $.10 - 1.50 per click depending on the search but the coverage is really good. I pop up on sites I didnt even know existed and I get more downloads then I expected. It is a sad fact but this is the direction the web is going to go. You will have to pay to be seen on the internet or hope that you get the 20,000+ hits to your website to even start to rank in the search list.

  18. Yahoo should focus on their other features by Moskie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As with most everyone else here, Google is my web- searcher of choice. Years ago it was Yahoo, but that is no more.

    However, Yahoo is probably the site I use the most. They have tons of other features (news, games, (fantasy) sports, mail, address books, etc etc...), and most of them are free. I haven't found another site on the web that has anywhere near as many comprehensive and well-designed features as Yahoo. So, in the end, I couldn't care less about Yahoo's searching ability, because I don't think of Yahoo as a search engine any more. They're something different. And perhaps it is time for Yahoo to realize that also, and not spend billions of dollars improving the aspects of their site that no one needs anymore.

  19. Re:Yahoo -- Overture by miratrix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the real question is what will Yahoo! do with all the search engines it now has. If I remember correctly, Yahoo! bought Inktomi not too long ago. Add Overture + FAST/Alltheweb + AltaVisa...

    It seems like the market is consolidating into Google vs. Yahoo! vs. Microsoft (There have been rumours of Microsoft developing its own algorithm-based search engine) and couple of other players like AskJeeves.