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Funding for TIA All But Dead

Shackleford writes "Wired has an article saying that the Terrorism Information Awareness program, which would troll Americans' personal records to find terrorists before they strike, may soon face the same fate Congress meted out to John Ashcroft in his attempt to create a corps of volunteer domestic spies: death by legislation. The Senate's $368 billion version of the 2004 defense appropriations bill, released from committee to the full Senate on Wednesday, contains a provision that would deny all funds to, and thus would effectively kill, the Terrorism Information Awareness program, formerly known as Total Information Awareness. TIA's projected budget for 2004 is $169 million."

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  1. Info ... by Arthaed · · Score: 5, Informative

    An Executive Summary of TIA released by DARPA is available here. An explanation and overview of TIA, again by DARPA, can be found here.

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  2. probably obsolete already anyway... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Come on, now, how hard is most of the information that was supposed to be mined for TIA that hard to get anyway?? For $35US you can look in the yellow pages (or, of course, log into a web site), punch in some data, and get a background check of anyone anyway. This includes

    1. Credit statements
    2. Job histories
    3. Criminal records.
    4. Tax records. ...and so on. Corporations wanting to know everything about employees have already created the tools to mine our personal information anyway...do you really thing the gov't can't?

    Just because the funding is gone, do you really thing the gov't has given up on this? Bad press killed this "initiative" long before this Congress did...but don't worry, they have wizened up. Next time they just won't mention to us that they are doing it...

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  3. BILL OF RIGHTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    since most americans dont even know the bill of rights here it is. amendment IV is the relevant one here.

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III

    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Amendment VII

    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

  4. Re:interesting by Politburo · · Score: 4, Informative

    who really thinks that the DoD/CIA/NSA/FBI couldnt come up with the money

    That's just it. For the most part, they can't do things like this because spending is allocated by Congress. Money isn't just thrown out as "400$ million for FBI" and that's it. The expenditures are broken down, and aside from some DoD/Military spending, mostly public. Note that Congress still maintains oversight of this spending, it is just not public, for security reasons. This is how many leaks about the F-117 and B-2 projects came out; through Congressional offices that had oversight on the project.

    The Federal Budget is a law passed by Congress every year. Agencies cannot just reallocate the money as they see fit. This "Power of the Purse" is probably the greatest power that the Congress currently has. It has used this power to enact a national drinking age, by witholding highway funds to states that don't comply. I believe it was also used recently against states with medicinal marijuana laws, but could not find an article confirming this.

    The people suggesting that this program will just "reappear" are misguided, not "insightful". No agency would attempt to piss off Congress like that. The TIA is dead for FY2004, assuming the bill passes unmodified. Whether it stays dead will remain to be seen.

  5. Re:well... by wik · · Score: 2, Informative

    They already renamed it once from Total Information Awareness to Terrorism Information Awareness:

    http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/

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  6. Forest, meet the trees by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'd feel a lot safer if there were enough people at the docks of the ports to do even a minimal level of inspection of those large sealed containers coming from diverse foreign lands that easily be carrying biological agents, nuclear devices, massive amounts of conventional explosives or any combination of these.

    Oh, and to trump your little anecdote, I'll bring up the Cuban coast guardsmen who piloted their ship directly into a resort at Key West. The men were armed, as was the ship. They docked and walked around (armed) trying to find someone to defect to. Here's a link in case you've forgotten.

  7. Re:TIA is more smoke and mirrors by gmajor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's not forget that Democratic presidential candidate Bob Graham was the primary author of the PATRIOT Act. He wrote the intelligence sections of it, the kind that deal with information sharing between government agencies and such.

    If we're going to blame politicians, don't forget those crazy Democrats. Oh, I forgot - it's only en vogue to criticize Bush.

  8. Praetorian Guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Chances are, the information they will sell is the information necessary to win presidential elections.

    It's been done before.

    Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia describes the Praetorian Guard "a special force of bodyguards used by Roman emperors."

    It goes on to say, "The special position of the Praetorians made them become a power of its own in the Roman state, and its prefect, praefectus praetorio, was soon one of the more powerful men in this society. The emperors tried to flatter and control the praetorians, with the resulting coup d'états and rapid imperial succession. The praetorians thus came to destabilize the Roman state, contrary to their purpose."

    "In 193, the praetorians even arranged an auction for the throne, an auction won by Didius Julianus. "

    Welcome to the Imperatives of Empire.

  9. Private Donations by qtp · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's just it. For the most part, they can't do things like this because spending is allocated by Congress.

    What do you think was going on during Iran-Contra? After congress outlawed the funding of US backed terrorism, the CIA continued thier operations using money from serveral sources, including private donations and selling cocaine

    No agency would attempt to piss off Congress like that.

    See the same links in reference to this statement.

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  10. Re:John Poindexter does his own funding by stanwirth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yah. True. And if you read The Tower Report on Iran Contra, you'd know that it was the IBM mainframe that caught them out in the end, not investigative journalists.

    Basically they were hoisted by their own petard (but apparently not dropped hard enough afterwards). They had an early email system that (wow!) kept backups of everything, including things that they'd thought they'd deleted. So what was so incriminating? The email discussion between JP and other White House Staff concerning how various lies might go over with the public regarding the Iran Contra scandal as it unfolded -- how the story might be changed, how they might spin various half- truths.

    The devil is in the details: you can't read the Tower Report without reading the footnotes, because this is where the real story is: how they were undone by their own words, when they thought everything they wrote could be deleted and or otherwise kept secret.

    TIA profiling comes a little bit too close to Minority Report's FutureCrime and 1984's ThoughtCrime for comfort.