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Filesharing Traffic Drops After RIAA Threats

bryan writes "According to CNN, facing the threat of lawsuits from a music industry trade group, fewer people are using online filesharing applications to swap songs. Internet audience measurement service Nielsen Net Ratings said traffic on Kazaa, the leading filesharing platform, fell 15 percent in the week ended July 6 from the previous week. It was during that prior week, on June 25, that the Recording Industry Association of America said it would track down the heaviest users of "peer-to-peer" services like Kazaa and sue them for damages of up to $150,000 per copyright violation." This follows earlier reports, from the filesharing companies themselves, that traffic was actually increasing.

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  1. Pretty common scenario by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Television evangelist Pat Robertson was overheard stating that the process of natural evolution was impossible, given that it's findings lie outside the idea of Christian creation dogma. All the while scientists the world over continue to compile and test bodies of evidence for it's many intricate workings. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, Pat Robertson's opinion remains firm.

    If Pat Robertson were to tell the truth, he might loose some of his marketshare.

    The file sharing companies want to display a facade that their business is as strong as ever, even in the face of the new RIAA litigations and attempts to prevent the further theft of their products. Saying otherwise might hurt their (the file sharing companies) potential advertising campaign or the planned "pay-per-play/download" strategies.

    1. Re:Pretty common scenario by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Creationism isn't science, and thus doesn't need proof. The theory of evolution, on the other hand, is science, and so requires proof. The whole creationism/evolution thing would just go away if people realized that the two are orthogonal rather than opposing, and abandoned the notion that everyone has to believe as they do.

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  2. Correction by sulli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    According to CNN

    According to RIAA member AOL Time Warner

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  3. Wow who would have guessed by missing000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assumed that everyone just stayed at home and downloaded mp3's on the 4th of July.

    I can't belive that many people really had something better to do than surf the web on a holiday.

  4. Unreliable stats by l810c · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They didn't take into account 4th of July weekend here in the States. A lot of people wnet out of town. 15% decrease with a 3 day weekend is Not a trend or a result of the threat.

  5. Stats by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would not be surprised if the increase in file-sharing was due to a bunch of new folks coming on-line to see what the hub-bub was about, while the decrease is most certainly due to the folks that were sharing large collections with lots of easily trackable bandwidth that got spooked.

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  6. News at 11 ... by Professor+D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet file swapping teens take a break for 4th of July. (15% = 1/7 of the week)

  7. summer time vacations by pbaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe the decrease was because this was the week of July 4th. You know...people are outside setting off fireworks and having BBQ parties, instead sitting inside downloading music. It would be interesting to see if traffic also dropped on the week of July 4th, 2002.

  8. sheesh more twisted truths... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ell 15 percent in the week ended July 6 from the previous week. It was during that prior week,

    Hmmm kinda funny how filesharing drops on the biggest holiday/vacation/camping week in the USA.

    that week most areas had massive concerts, air-fairs, festivals, beer tents, you name it than any other week of the year.

    over 50% of my neighborhood were gone a large portion of that week either to shows at the local music festival or travel to detroit or chicago for their festivals/events...

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  9. easy: school's out by hazem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This can be easily explained. Most universities in the country were finished in mid June and sent the kids home. The kids don't normally have access to that sweet T-3 when they are at home. So of course file-sharing went down.

    I doubt it has little to do with the RIAA threat.

    In other news, truancy drops by 90% after mid June.

  10. Re:who isnt sharing? by Xandar01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or even more interesting, did CD sales increase in the same period? Maybe people were busy doing other things.

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  11. What we must remember about RIAA by djeaux · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They are NOT law enforcement. They are basically a private investigation outfit masquerading as an advocacy group for the "industry."

    If you know any private eyes, you know they lie, cheat, deceive, distort facts, whatever they need to do to get their work done. They are very often only two spits shy of being crooks themselves.

    So, it doesn't surprise me that RIAA takes stats from a holiday week, as has been pointed out already, to show that their threats & intimidation work.

    The big problem that I see is that RIAA has essentially unlimited resources -- all that money that could be paid in artists' royalties -- while Joe Blow P2Per in the dorm doesn't. It will be very interesting if RIAA ever gets an opponent in court who has some financial backing. Of course, that will have to wait until we have a Department of Justice and not a Department of "Just Us"...

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  12. STEAL!!! or the RIAA will do it for you. by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Insightful



    Ok so you dont share files. hundreds of millions of people do, and hundreds of millions of people think its right.

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  13. udpp2p by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fundamental premise of udpp2p is broken.

    Spoofed source addresses do not beget security nor anonymity, especially now that ISP's are required to "cooperate". Properly configured routers will put a dead stop to the practice, and even without that its still trivial for a big organization to backtrace you.

    If you want real anonymity you need something called "plausible deniability" which you can get only from projects such as freenet.

    1. Re:udpp2p by dissy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > No, a properly configured router will only block packets that don't appear to
      > come from that network. That still gives you a lot of addresses to chose from.

      No. A properly configured router is connected to TWO networks, and will not allow traffic to pass either direction unless the source IP matches what it knows of the two networks.

      If your network is 192.168.1.0/24, and your source IP is not, it should drop it.
      If a packet attempts to get in to you and its source IP _is_ in that range, it should also drop it.

      Forging your IP will fail the first test.
      The second test is to prevent others from pretending to be hosts in your network to bypass IP based security rules.

  14. Re:ok... by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kazaa mostly applies to the ignorant public.

    Yup. And that's why it is targetted, just like Napster was. RIAA and others couldn't care about the 50,000 people trading on IRC, BT, and other services. They know that you are smart enough to come up with a new way to avoid them, even if it means a lot more work for you. They care about the 10 million that use Kazaa, a program that a monkey can have up and downloading within 1 minute.

  15. Only time will tell by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I remember that my statistics professor once said that statistical sampling is useless unless the sample size is large and randomized and the population is somewhat uniformly distributed. As others have pointed, the holiday weekend is an example of a nonrandomized, small sample set. Wait a few months to see if there has been any real changes.

    As for me, I've switched swapping methods to avoid detection. This means I have to come out of my mother's basement and swap CDs behind the local convenience store. :)

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  16. Correlation or causation? by Gogl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other possible explanations for the drop in filesharing:

    -- July 4th. Even geeks have lives.
    -- Summer. Same as above.
    -- Summer. Less college students, who tend to be heavy users.
    -- No notable "new" stuff, TV series generally aren't releasing new episodes to be downloaded over the summer.
    -- Simple statistical anomaly. 15% may sound like a lot, but if it's just a weeklong trend it doesn't mean much.

    And there are other possibilities too. Be creative, I'm sure you can think of some.

    Man, the world would benefit so much if somebody would just take out an ad during the Superbowl or something that would explain in simple terms the difference between correlation and causation. Except such an explanation is likely impossible. Oh well.

  17. Re:who isnt sharing? by joe_bruin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    well, let's ask, who is sharing?
    a lot of those who are sharing are college students. the riaa made the "we're suing everyone" claim just as most college students go on spring break. many people that were sharing over their dorm's high speed internet connection are home now, stuck with their parents' dialup accounts. file sharing does historically decline in the (northern hemisphere) summer months, so a decline in file sharing would not be at all unexpected.

  18. Random distributions. by mfh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm going to hazard an obvious guess here.

    If you have a random subset within a larger set [p2p users in the USA], a randomly distributed decrease in the superset will correlate with a similar decrease in the subset.

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  19. you're shitting me, right? by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Does iTunes really do it for you? If so, I'm happy really I am. But it will NEVER match the collection brought forth by Napster or any other file sharing network. Dan Peng's story pokes brilliant fun at the inadequacies and he got it published by the morons as a success story for the RIAA:

    Still, when I hear a timeless Beatles classic on the radio and then go home to look for it on Pressplay or ITunes and it isn't there, I tend to longingly eye the Kazaa icon that still sits on my desktop, beckoning me to return to piracy.

    Can't get a Beatles song? A song from one of the most mercilessly comercialized bands in all history is not on iTunes? iTunes must blow!

    No commercial company can measure up to the file sharing networks. They have lost the recordings, or just don't have money or resources to digitize them. The distributed effort of all music fans created a catalogue of all kinds of music you could never get in a store. That's what you get when you let music lovers share their stuff. Some of the newer music services are gettin good, but none match Napster yet. The comercial services don't stand a chance unless they figure out how to enlist the fans. It is this fundamental failure to make work available by the current "owners" that makes them obsolete, despite legal sucess beyond all reason. People will get around them sooner or later.

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  20. Re:No one by epiphani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, its not like this 15% drop happened to co-inside with a lot of north american holidays (Canada Day, Independence Day) where people are probably shutting down their computers and going camping.

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  21. Re:Taking a poll by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Now let's get with the $5 DVD's and the $29 Photoshop people! Chop Chop!

    I actually had the exact same experience with audiobooks. For the last month or two i've been considering buying audiobooks so i'd have something interesting to listen to during me 30+ minute commute. However if you go to Borders or Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com they cost a bloody fortune. $30 is about as low as they get, and seeing prices up in the $70s and $80s is not uncommon.

    I bought one cheap audiobook (A Wizard of Earthsea) and was impressed, but the price kept putting me off. I was seriously considering looking around on filesharing systems to see if i could grab mp3s of them from somewhere. Most of the tiles i want are books i already own anyways, so i wouldn't have felt too guilty about doing so.

    Then i discovered that i could buy audio files of the same books from Audible.com. Theoretically they have the same list price as the tape version, which is insane, but just about all the files there are marked down to a reasonable price, and if you're willing to sign up for a monthly account you can get any two books a month for $20.

    I signed up for the one year membership since after looking through their library i could find at least 24 books i wanted and that way i could get a free mp3 player. (Yeah, it's a piece of junk player, but if i'm going to sign up for a year anyways...)

    So the book-on-CD people made $30 or $40 off of me once, and then scared me away with the horible prices and the lack of availability of the books i was interested in. Audible.com put things at a reasonable price and just made $250 off me. And i would have never taken the time to find Audible.com if the CD people were pricing things at a reasonable price of $20 or so per book. (About what i'm paying now when you consider the price of CDs.)

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