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LinuxTag: 40% Growth Over Last Year

LinuxDesktop.it writes "According to this article on pro-linux.de, LinuxTag 2003 was a success: 19500 visitors, up +40% from last year and the number of journalists covering the event increased twofold -- according to pro-linux thanks to the strong signals that the city of Munich switching 14k PCs to Linux sent through Germany. Exhibitors seemed quite satisfied too because they did not expect that the trade show generated that many business contacts since many reputed it as a more community event rather than a 'where .com meets .org' event."

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  1. ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fact is, GNU / Linux has had much success *inspite of* and not because of publicity. When the whole world was watching powerlessly, LinuxTAG got an injunction against SCO in Germany.

    I guess that's how Linux and GNU ought to be promoted / evangelised whatever. Just do it silently, no press releases, no fancy million dollar ad campaigns etc. People already know the value of Linux - no need to trivialise it by aping Microsoft and their methods.

    Peace.

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    1. Re:ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by RoLi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The opposite is true.

      What is holding Linux back is very often prejudices and unawareness.

      Examples like Munich are very important and already did influence a lot of other organizations.

    2. Re:ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by cloudless.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most people never even heard of Linux/GNU, let alone knowing the advantages. Your grandma probably have seen Microsoft advertisement before, but try asking her what GNU is. Unless you want to keep Linux to geeks, true marketing is necessary.

    3. Re:ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by jkrise · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Examples like Munich are very important and already did influence a lot of other organizations.

      If said organizations were holding up the roll out of their Linux plans until Munich decided to get 14,000 seats - they didn't get the proper message after all. Adopting Linux takes a little chutzpah, and a different mindset than the dog-eat-dog attitude prevalent in society now.

      I'd rather waut for the above orgs to get screwed paying for licenses and Service Packs, yet getting inferior code - and switching to Linux, after getting wiser by their own personal experiences.

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    4. Re:ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people never even heard of Linux/GNU, let alone knowing the advantages. Your grandma probably have seen Microsoft advertisement before, but try asking her what GNU is. Unless you want to keep Linux to geeks, true marketing is necessary.

      You are correct that there are lots of people who have no idea what Linux or GNU are. But there are also lots of people who have no idea what Microsoft or Windows are (such as my grandma :)). If you sit these people in front of a Windows+IE computer and then in front of a Linux+Mozilla computer, they may not actually notice any difference apart from slightly different icons (which are different between different Windows versions anyway).

    5. Re:ssshhh.. let's keep Linux away from the news.. by Spoing · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'd rather waut for the above orgs to get screwed paying for licenses and Service Packs, yet getting inferior code - and switching to Linux, after getting wiser by their own personal experiences.

      Right -- like that will ever happen!

      (No responses please from the humor impared. Thank you.)

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  2. what else is there? by davejenkins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What other conferences are worth seeing? I would submit that the motivation behind attending a conference is to 'discover' something, or to forward your exposure on some field that you (personally) feel that you don't understand as much as you should. This is probably the result of media buzz, FUD, rumor, or a combination of all three.

    Some (negative) examples toward my thesis:
    1. no one goes to a conference about vacuum cleaners or washing machines, because we all understand them.

    2. No one goes to MacWorld outside the religeous MacHeads, because that 'need to know' isn't there (other than the pure followers).

    3. People go to boat fairs, car shows, and consumer electronics to oogle at the latest and greatest. Business people are no better, but this is the one they can justify the cost of going (because they feel that 'gap' in their understanding, or their PHB feels the gap).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad more and more people are coming to these things, but I think there are other factors/inferences to be pulled from such a dramatic shift.

    1. Re:what else is there? by tonywestonuk · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you're interested in IBM iron, then the Common conference (www.common.org) is well worth a visit.

      As IBM now are going Linux/Java, several of the training sessions are geared around this... Well worth it IMO.

      Tony.

    2. Re:what else is there? by CrazyWingman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. no one goes to a conference about vacuum cleaners or washing machines, because we all understand them.

      Actually, people do go to conferences about vacuum cleaners and washing machines. Those of the latter variety are held all the time by GE/Whirlpool/Maytag/etc. to show off their latest models to appliance dealers.

      3. People go to boat fairs, car shows, and consumer electronics to oogle at the latest and greatest.

      And you think people didn't go to Linuxtag for the same reason? I would say you are sorely mistaken, if so.

  3. Two critical notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was there, two critical notes:
    - Too commercial (it needs commercial stuff, but it needed more non-commercial stuff too).
    - 80 to 90 percent of the speaches in German.

    For the rest, it was okay, liked maddog's speach and seeing Linux on X-box ;-)

    1. Re:Two critical notes by seasunset · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Being in Germany what language would you expect the speeches to be done? French? Dutch? Italian? Or is any other language on your mind?

    2. Re:Two critical notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> I was there, two critical notes:
      >> [...]
      >>- 80 to 90 percent of the speaches in German.

      Well, when I (as a German) go to a conference in the US I also want them all to speak German.

      *sigh*

      Dont you think its normal that they keep conferences in Germany on a German event in German?

    3. Re:Two critical notes by Espen+Skoglund · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Dont you think its normal that they keep conferences in Germany on a German event in German?

      Not necessarily. If they want to reach a broader community they might want to make, e.g., the speeches more accessible by having them in a language that more people can understand. Considering that Karlsruhe (the place where Linux Tag takes place) is only 15-20 minutes away from France, and a few hours drive away from Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands, this might not be a bad idea.

      [Sorry for my last post. I happened to press the submit button involuntarily.]

    4. Re:Two critical notes by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 3, Funny

      At a Linux fair? Why Suomea or Svenska, of course.

      YAW.

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    5. Re:Two critical notes by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those wouldn't all happen to be countries where a large percentage of the population speaks German (as well as their native tongues, English, and likely something else on top of that), would they?

      The conference was in Germany, hence the language should be German. Or do you think that the next Linux Expo in California should be held in Spanish as to reach a broader audience?

      This is one of the reasons I get really pissed at other Americans when I'm overseas; when I'm in Germany, I speak German -- it's only polite. Thinking that the rest of the world only exists to accomidate your linguistic needs is arrogant ethnocentrism at its worst.

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    6. Re:Two critical notes by geschild · · Score: 3, Informative

      The French the Americans are more alike than they know: neither will speak a foreign language, even at gun-point.

      [RANT]
      Let me enlighten you on the state of affairs in Europe, taking the countries you named to make an example:

      1. Switzerland has the following national languages. (The first three are official, see this site for details.)
        • German (Sweitzerdeutsch, a dialect of German)
        • French
        • Italian
        • Retro-romanian (Rhaeto-Rumantsch, last place where this is spoken, like Basque it is completely different from all other languages in Europe).

      2. Belgium has the following national languages:
        • French
        • Dutch (Flemish, a dialect of Dutch is actually spoken but in school official Dutch is thaught)
        • German

      3. In Luxembourgh, the following languages are in wide spread use:
        • Lëtzebuergesch (A derivative of German, spoken only)
        • German
        • French

      4. To close it off, in the Netherlands, us poor souls have only one official language (Dutch) and one language local to a region (Fries). However, since we have been trading with the whole wide world since $DEITY knows when these languages are thaught in school to all children for at least a few years:
        • Dutch
        • English
        • German
        • French
      Now if you look closely at this list you will notice one thing: German is in all of these countries... The reason? because we are all only a few hours away from each other!Please remove your xenophobic head from your xenophobic behind and get a few language classes. Or just decide to stay at home and go to a local conference. Given the fact that the whole point of this article was that the attendance is high, despite most topics being in German, I doubt that you'll be missed.

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  4. The next killer application... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... is simply Linux itself. We have moved from the early adopter stage to the mass market stage, and we can expect exponential growth of Linux adoption by business until only the late-adopters are still using old-fashioned stuff.
    For once this IT wave won't create an economic bubble: it is more like the waves of standardisation that hit new industries after their initial bubbles. Think railways in the 1850s(?) and standardized track sizes.
    The real economic boom will be in products and services that make use of this standard and modernised platform.
    If I was investing in IT today, it would be in communications systems that rely on a standard OS across multiple arbitrary systems. Think of 'your work anywhere', but relying on Linux on your PDA, mobile phone, desktop, etc.

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  5. So what... by Bio-Hazzard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux is a better product and is growing like hell in both the server and client market. So... Anybody who knows anything worthwhile about computers knows about Linux, and anybody who is into computers in a heavy way uses Linux. Old news, but what MS doesnt get is that the growth of Linux is inevitable. It's free (MS cant compete price wise), It's stable (everybody sees what it does and because the codes there somebody's gonna know what wrong and a patch can get produced real quick) and YOU CAN CHANGE IT YOURSELF! (goverments love this).
    It isn't "Will Linux rise?" it's "How long is it gonna take?"

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    1. Re:So what... by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Linux is a better product and is growing like hell in both the server and client market. So... Anybody who knows anything worthwhile about computers knows about Linux, and anybody who is into computers in a heavy way uses Linux.

      How about people (such as you and me) just donated a bit of their time to make the system better instead of praising it like a Borg drone programmed to repeat a message. I guess that might be too much to ask for some people, but I'm asking anyway. The constructive way is to investigate what makes people use other systems (like MS Windows, MacOS, or Solaris) and enhance free systems to comply with the needs of these people.

    2. Re:So what... by ctve · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Good point. And even you can't code, there's plenty else to do. Like checking a few Mozilla bugs are valid and not just down to an old build/dodgy HTML.

      Or installing and using stuff, showing it to their friends and advocating it on their websites etc.

      Or writing documentation for the projects.

      The biggest thing IMO is getting people onboard the OSS software train, and keeping them there.

    3. Re:So what... by Lord+Kholdan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even if I'm not a Linux user/advocate I'll still throw my spoon into the soup.

      Help people use Linux! Camp the #linuxhelp in IRC network, check the message boards. Helping people is good and fullfilling thing to do, even if you don't have a (socio)political axe to grind.

  6. Translation by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 4, Informative

    The organizers report an enormous increase in attendance at this year's
    LinuxTag. Two hours before the end of the convention they drew a
    preliminary conclusion for LinuxTag 2003: over 19,500 visitors were counted,
    more than 40% more than last year.

    The many international guests, for example John 'Maddog' Hall from the USA
    and Utaka Niibe of the Free Software Initiative Japan, ensured full
    presentation rooms. Also content-wise the presentations were predominantely
    high class.

    The exhibitors expressed themselves throughout positively surprised
    and satisfied. There were "extremely many business contacts" registered.
    Many exhibitors saw their expectations fullfilled. Whoever had seen
    LinuxTag still as a community event with relatively few business customers,
    saw themselves better informed.

    Oliver Zendel, the head of LinuxTag e.V., sees LinuxTag as a large success
    that proves that Linux and free software can also suceed in the field of professional
    business. LinuxTag is the largest Linux convention in Europe and
    according to his words, a "world-wide leading convention for free software."

    Highly visible was the effect, that arose from the decision by the city of
    Munich to use Linux. According to information from Pro-Linux the number
    of accredited journalists doubled from that of last year.

  7. Re:German article by Hrshgn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Translation of the original article:

    The organisers of the LinuxTag are reporting an enormous growth of this year's LinuxTag. Two hours before the end of the fair they are giving preliminary results of LinuxTag 2003: more than 19'500 visitors were counted, an increase of 40% compared to last year.

    Numerous international guests like John 'Maddog' Hall from the USA and Yutaka Niibe of the Free Software Initiative Japan generated full auditories. Also in terms of content, the talks were mostly high class.

    Almost all exhibitors were positively surprised and satisfied. "An extreme number of business contacts" was registered. Many exhibitors saw their expectations fulfilled. Whoever saw LinuxTag as a community event with relatively few business customers was disabused(?).

    Oliver Zendel, head of the LinuxTag e.V., sees the LinuxTag as a big success which proofs that Linux and free software can also persist in the area of professional business. LinuxTag is the biggest Linux fair in Europe and according to his words a "worldwide leading fair in free software".

    Highly visible was the announcement effect of Munich's decision in favor of Linux. According to informarion from Pro-Linux, the number of accredited journalists has doubled compared to last year.

  8. Windows XP Professional on the X-box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > seeing Linux on X-box ;-)

    Hey -- this is old news. But I even saw Windows XP
    Professional on the X-box!

    Well, it was the new NX client
    for embedded Linux systems, which worked like
    "out of the box" on the X-box.

    It allows you to connect to any Linux or Windows
    system over the internet, and display that
    workstation's screen locally. It can use
    RDP/rdesktop (for Windows), or RFB/tightVNC (for
    any platform) or the NX server (on Linux). The NX
    server is the fastest, allowing even for a full
    KDE session running over 9600 Baud modem
    connection. X-box "developers" had the schock of
    their life when had turned their backs to the toy
    for a minute and this was enough to connect to
    Rome/Italy and display the WinXP Prof screen from
    there fullscreen.... ;-)

    I think, NX was the absolute innovation hightlight
    of the show. The excellent CUPS talk was even held
    using a remote NX log-in into a Linux/CUPS server
    from a WinXP client. Performance was excellent and
    not distinguishable from a locally run Linux
    session. I have now downloaded NX (the server is
    freely available for testing) and I am very
    pleased with the results.

  9. Linux Growth Statistics by thelandp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    That's an interesting statistic for gauging the success of Linux.

    I tried to find other more general stats like say the market share of Linux and so on. They are very hard to find for various reasons. But here is one that's as good as any (especially since we win!): Linux vs Microsoft.

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  10. Highlight of Technical Innovations: I nominate "NX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I even saw Windows XP Professional on the X-box!

    Well, it was the new NX client for embedded Linux systems, which worked like "out of the box" on the X-box.

    It allows you to connect to any Linux or Windows system over the internet, and display that workstation's screen locally. It can use RDP/rdesktop (for Windows), or RFB/tightVNC (for any platform) or the NX server (on Linux). The NX server is the fastest, allowing even for a full KDE session running over 9600 Baud modem connection. X-box "developers" suffered the shock of their life when had turned their backs to the toy for a minute and this was enough to install NX client and connect to Rome/Italy and display the WinXP Prof screen from there fullscreen.... ;-)

    I think, NX was the absolute innovation highlight of the show. The excellent CUPS talk was even held using a remote NX log-in into a Linux/CUPS server from a WinXP client. Performance was excellent and not distinguishable from a locally run Linux session. I have now downloaded NX (the server is freely available for testing) and I am very pleased with the results.

  11. Being silly by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just from
    """
    19500 visitors, up +40% from last year and the number of journalists covering the event increased twofold.
    """
    We conclude there were ~14000 people last year, i.e. 5500 more people turned up.

    Imagine if last year there were 8500 members of the public, and 5500 journos. And this year there were 8500 members of the public, and 11000 journos.

    Sorry, there's no conclusion; I just wanted to insert some deliberate distortion. I in particularly like the idea of journos outnumbering their readership!

    YAW.

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  12. I loved it ;)) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I was the first time on the LinuxTag and I absolutely love it ;)

    I have realy enjoyed the talks, people, presentations, the atmosphere ....

    I am advertising it to my friend allready for the next year ...

    I can not find a single minus ;))

    Iztok (Slovenia)

    I also loved the kebab store on the corner of hotel ... they make excelent kebap's ....

  13. Still got to get over MS Orafice by ratfynk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wish it were true, but there needs to be effective software Linux training for it to succeed in North American business. I do not see any institutions teaching the Linux system as a replacement for MS Access. I can see that a logical replacement for Access is already in the Linux system itself. One could develope an integrated user multi-tasking, paging, db quiery system from what Linux already has available to root and extra Gnu sources.

    The problem is business courses at all the accredited institutions are run exclusively by Microsoft trained people.

    So until training in Linux user control, db quiery and simple software admin becomes common we here in North America will need to bow to Redmond six times a day. If we want to work in any form of business other than Inet Server Admin.

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  14. Some other statistics by parbot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being a Linux user myself I really like the idea of Linux gaining market share.

    But.. Can somebody explain why according to Google's zeitgeist Linux is still at 1% market share? According to Google's statistics, the market share of Linux hasn't change since at least August 2003.

  15. Re:Don't forget the "free family tech support line by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This reminds me of what happened with my parents. Probably about a little over a year ago, they were having major computer problems (Windows ME I think). Although I think they had always used Netscape, apparently, my brother had tried to install the latest version of IE on the computer. During the install, a blue screen came up or something and the system crashed. Afterwards, the OS was basically toasted and would only start up in safe mode.

    Anyhow, the next time I was in town, I wiped the drive and reinstalled Windows. However, I also installed Mozilla and told them to just use that in the future and said it's really just a different kind of Netscape.

    Well, I was home again over Christmas and they were ranting and raving about how great Mozilla is. Apparently, they had had conversations with neighbors and friends about this "Mozilla thing" and how it crashes less, blocks pop-ups easily, etc. Of course, none of these people had heard of it, but their interest was immediately sparked. Maybe they're Mozilla users now even...

    The point is that Mozilla is a piece of free software that even my not-so-tech-savy parents can evagelize about, because it's a good product for a wide range of people.

  16. Linux is not an MS Access replacement by heironymouscoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uhm, one is an operating system, the other a database. Compare MySQL to MSAccess, if you like. Anyhow, I disagree with the substance of your comment: there are many companies that provide Linux trainings, and there are hundreds of books and thousands of web sites providing guides. I suspect the wealth of information is significantly wider and deeper than that available for Windows. I also suspect the same is true for MySQL (for instance) compared to MS Access.
    The problem of training and culture is one that affects new products in their early adopter phase. Linux is past this phase. No-one seriously asks for manuals for an OS, any more than you ask for a book with Windows (last time I checked, the book was about 25 pages long of which 24 were the license).
    The problem of accreditation is a false one, since the 'accredited' institutions are simply ones that have paid Microsoft for a license. It is a circular argument: the vendor is simply reinforcing their own image. Most businesses choose their suppliers on cost and performance and reputation, not simple credentials. MS do a lot of marketing to push 'accreditation', but it's a sham and stops working as soon as the pressure drops.

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