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Afghanistan Closes Videogame Stores

Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to the UK Guardian's report that authorities in Afghanistan have closed hundreds of shops where children played video games. Authorities claimed they were "reacting to complaints from parents that their children spent time and money in the shops instead of going to their schools", and also cited alleged gambling and alcohol drinking in the stores as "corrupting the morals" of young people. The story links this move to increasingly conservative elements in Afghanistan's post-Taliban government, mentioning that cable television was also recently banned by an Afghan supreme court judge.

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  1. Uh-oh by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    They keep slipping back to hardline Islam like this and we might have to "liberate" them all over again!

    GMD

    1. Re:Uh-oh by trompete · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It just goes to show that the conservativist attitude was not just that of the Taliban but of some of the residents too. We should take note of that when we "liberate" people.

    2. Re:Uh-oh by FroMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      but this country was founded on separating that from the ruling government.

      Common misinterpretation of the 1st amendment.

      Actually, "spearation of church and state" was not thought about until a certain (forget which) supreme court ruling. Read it again:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      It simpley says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of." So, infact laws saying that employers cannot discriminate against folks based on religion are indeed unconstitutional. It also means that laws against having the 10 commandments in schools or court buildings are unconsitutional.

      The reason the clause was put into the first amendment was to prevent a "church of england" ans such issues. Many of the first settlers who first came the the new world were fleeing persecuting governments because of the religion they practiced was not the state religion. They however did not wish for a necessarily atheistic government, they simpley decided that there would be no state endorsed religion.

      However, this has been twisted to attempt to even outlaw folks from practicing religion. Such as the fact that Bush, Ashcroft, and others often hold prayer meetings (not required to go to them, and on off time) are still challenged by folks because they think that they are somehow endorsing a religion as the state. Quite the opposite, since they are doing these optional and offtime, it is upto the people to attend. These folks are allowed to be Christian, muslim, hindu, taoist, whatever on their own time. It would be wrong of the state to refuse the people the right (constitutionally protected) to practice their religion.

      However, many, even here on slashdot refuse to see that. They harbor such a hatred of Christians that they would rather stomp on the first amendment instead of uphold it for people they disagree with. The first amendment used by the anti-christians is to suppress ideas and thought. It is no longer "I will disagree with everything you say, but defend to the death your right to say it." More likely now it is, "I disagree with everything you say, but I will stomp on the first amendment to stop your right to say it."

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  2. Boiling Point by wynterwynd · · Score: 2, Funny

    With all the available outlets for emotional expression and stress relief available in Afghanistan, it's no wonder that it is such a peaceful haven.

    What happens when you attempt to relieve growing pressure by sealing it off?

    Wynter

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    "Not all who wander are lost" -- JRR Tolkien
  3. How uncivilized by lightspawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Soviet America, government just tries to make it illegal to sell the hardcore stuff to kids instead of shutting down the whole industry.

    Unconstitutional? Sure, the courts will stike down the law, but in the meantime we turn parents into voters because we let them know how much we care. It's like using taxpayers money to fight religious battles. Sure, it seems pointless, but if most of your potential voters are christians who will appreciate your devotion to the almighty while anybody who opposes you is obviously in league with lucifer, and it doesn't cost you anything, why not?

    I'm sorry. This is half off-topic (hence no karma bonus) but I just needed to vent. Shouldn't there be any consequences to passing laws that are struck down as unconstitutional?

  4. A bit vague by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, what with the increasing presence of Linux in Afghanistan, soon there won't be any more need for videogame stores as that niche is fille by Tuxracer, xbill and obsessive repetition of 'emerge sync && emerge -up world'.

    Seriously, though, while the writeup talks about "Afghanistan", this story is limited to Jalabad. The Taliban mentality is still strong in certain parts of Afghanistan but it's a huge exaggeration to suggest it's dominating the country.

    Come to think of it, isn't the most remarkable news that Jalabad, in the most fundamentalist part of the country, already has over 300 video game shops to close down?

    1. Re:A bit vague by lightspawn · · Score: 2, Informative

      isn't the most remarkable news that Jalabad, in the most fundamentalist part of the country, already has over 300 video game shops to close down?

      From the article:
      "People would gamble and drink alcohol in those video game shops"
      "Besides playing video games, customers watch DVD movies for a fee."

      These places aren't an equivalent of your gamestop or electronics bootyq. They sound like small time combination bars/movie rental/arcades/game rental businesses. They may not even offer anything for actual sale - I find it hard to believe that the corrupted kids even have PSOnes in their homes.

      And it's not even clear if children were allowed in those places like the first paragraph suggests, or if it's only "young people" who were corrupted. Or what percentage of the corruption was caused by the games, how much by DVD movies, and how much by alcohol. It's even likely that many of these places were completely movie oriented - imagine the market demand after the population is exposed to movies for what may well be the first time.

  5. Another point of view... by ae0nflx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this really such a bad thing? It may be from our reference point, but it may not be so much from theirs. It is likely that in a soceity that has recently endured so much that the social services such as education are not as in place as they should be. It may be quite easy for kids to just blow off school and play video games. Therefore they may have to temporarily shut down parlors.

    Also, we all that has gone on in recent history, we should give the Afghan society some time to grow. It must be really darn hard for so much to be introduced into a culture in so short a period. They've got to slow down a bit so that the masses can change along with everything else.

  6. They need to deal with this... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is something the Afghanis need to work out for themselves - we can't attack them for it and we can't make them embrace our social mores. They aren't used to having a country that is open to expression - they need to learn how to deal with it. Some of the hardliners will react - the Afghanis must decide what to do for themselves.

    Perhaps they want a more hardline government than we would like them to have. Time will tell. Their elections are scheduled for June of 2004. Let's see what happens then before we condemn them now.

  7. Just in time by August_zero · · Score: 2, Funny

    it's really a shame to see such a peaceful nation ruined by the scourge of video games. I'm glad they did something about them before the whole country got devastated.

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    On Wall Street they say "buy low, sell high" On the pad we say, "buy high, sell high" Isn't that somehow better?
  8. They have a right to ban games... by HardcoreGamer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... especially if they are an integral part of a destructive subculture that is detrimental to society at large.

    I like games and I'm all for letting kids and adults play age-appropriate games and engage in age-appropriate social activity.

    Is it really such a bad thing to remove children from an environment that encourages them to participate in vice -- drinking and gambling -- instead of going to school as the article mentions?

    We're talking about a country that has seen its culture and heritage destroyed, and remains essentally lawless as a result of over two deades of brutal war and occupation. There is no infrastructure of any kind to speak of -- governmental, social, utility or otherwise -- and heavily-armed private militias still control the majority of the country and are still the predominant opportunity to earn an income and obtain food, clothing and shelter.

    Would you really want a bunch of uneducated, underage alcoholic gamblers traumatized by war -- who have daily witnessed how cheap life is, have easy access to guns, and view the world through the latest first-person shooter -- running wild in the streets?

    The other thing I'll say about this ban is that it's not for us to dictate to another culture the kinds of entertainments and pastimes they should engage in.

    And before anyone gets too up in arms about this ban and starts making disparaging comments about anyone's faith or culture, I'll remind everyone that we have a LOT of efforts in America to ban minors from buying or playing video games, and none of it has to do with anything as serious as kids skipping school to get drunk and bet on the games they play.

    Here's a recent post I submitted that was rejected:

    A federal judge has temporarily blocked a Washington state law that bans selling violent games to minors under 17 , and would fine retailers $500 for each game sold to minors that depicts violence against law-enforcement officials. U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnik said the law (slated to take effect July 27) is too all-encompassing and too targeted, and seems to violate free-speech rights since games' complex plots, original musical scores and detailed art deserve the same free speech protection as other types of media.

    And that's only the latest example. Here are a few of many more:
    Violent Video Game Restriction Struck Down
    Congress To Consider Age Limits On Violent Games
    Indianapolis Bans Violent Video Games

    The point is that in Afghanistan the games seem to be concretely linked to a subculture and environment that is detrimental to society at large and the efforts to rebuild civil society. Unless and until they can figure out a way to put games in a more appropriate social setting and context, banning them seems like a logical step.