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The IT Market: Cyclical Downturn or New World Order?
An anonymous reader wrote: "CNN.com is running an interesting story on the heels of a Forrester
Research report concerning the
shift of high tech jobs from the U.S. to places like China, India, and Russia for cheaper labor and got me thinking about the nature
of the current downtrend in programmer demand in the U.S (as opposed to the "morality" of such a shift). While I'm sure the causes for this downtrend are variable, the more important
question in my mind is this -- Is software guru Bruce Eckel correct in
saying that the current downturn represents a temporary blip in the business cycle as jobs are shifted from large and medium companies to smaller companies,
or are Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas correct in recognizing this as
a new reality. Personally I tend to agree with Hunt and Thomas's view (which is not completely opposed to Bruce's opinion, btw) and
I also agree with their viewpoint that protectionist policies like H1B quotas and tariffs won't work to change anything for the better. So what do you think? Is this
just another business cycle or is this a New World Order in IT?"
I knew this was going to happen when I saw Apu reading the Java in 21 Days book...better start checking out the classifieds...
Again, they are only outsourcing the call centers and other jobs for which no skill is required. I mean does it really matter that people will now call India for their first tier support. And if that is your job market them I'm sorry, but you should have learned more skills while you were back in college. just my $.02
..wrote crappy code.
An observation, but one that in my experience has been universally true.
The Russians aren't much better. On the other hand, I have met some first class Chinese coders.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
asshats
Companies move to the country that humiliates itself the most...
Its called capitalism..
In corparate america companies move YOU!
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Look who's fucking talking.
First you yanks almost get us all killed in "nucular" armageddon, then you spread your venom all over the globe for decades with no end in sight. All in the crusade for free markets.
And now.. now that cheap labour in India and cheap steel from Europe is threatening you, then you start bitching and complaining. Raising toll barriers and all.
And for the record, I'm not against free markets, I'm just sick and tired of American hipocrisy.
Face it. What the USA do, you do because it benefits you. You're not shining white knights. You are cutthroat egomaniacs, willing to go to any length just to keep your average 3.5 SUVs per household.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
Nope. English is the defacto thanks to British Colonialism. Not my fucking fault. If you want to learn Hindi to go live in some godforsaken hole in the wall of a country, you go right ahead.
Have fun dealing with all the associated hazards and bullshit that comes with moving out of the US. Let me know when your dirty drinking water, malaria infested hell hole of a country moves into the modern age. Then we can talk about you hiring me and speaking English in my presence.
But america is evil you fucker!!
george fukcing dubya is worse than adolph hitler, how along unti you americans can realize that?? huh? you pig fuckers
i'm an indian Now why is ther a view that for some reason american should get paid more than the indians for doing the same work. Guys.. u were getting overpaid..somebody came along and charged an economically viable price and all of the major companies jumped on the indian bandwagon. i saw a post about someone how used to get paid $33/hr getting dsiplaced by an indian programmer at $9.5/hr . now if you had been willing to do that work at $9.5/hr maybe you could have kept your job.