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Australian Gov't Moves To Block E-commerce Patent

ColaMan writes "Surfacing in the Australian version of GoogleNews, moves are afoot to block a patent covering (it seems) general ecommerce practices on the internet. This comes after the recent strongarm tactics against New Zealand businesses by D.E. Technologies , holder of the patent overseas."

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  1. Patents by rf0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its good to see a county actually opposing stupid patents. Now if australia would only apply the same sort of logic to its monopoly on telcos.

    Rus

  2. Re:e-Commerce patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How is it possible for someone to patent something on a nationality-less object like the Internet?

    The western, industrialized nations are the biggest ecom players, so it really doesn't matter if some 3rd world nation is using the same patented methods with their software. You have to follow the trail of money on this one. It's a double-edged sword. You can get away with it, but then you can't conduct business in places where the trademark is effective (consequently this is where the biggest market is)
  3. Re:Abuse, once more... by cioxx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I guess that if you can't find a good way to make money, just patent something, and sue the hell out of everybody...

    Which is really depressing, considering there are firms whose sole purpose is to beat the game and patent inevitable technology ahead of everyone else, which in turn, hampers technological progress.

    The whole system is fucked beyond recognition.
  4. Re:e-Commerce patents? by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is it possible for someone to patent something on a nationality-less object like the Internet?

    That is kind of like asking "how is it possible that the government locks everyone with the letter 'e' in their name to prison?" Stupid things can be done. If a government agency grants a patent to such a method and other governments in the world agree and assist with enforcing it, then it is possible.

    This has, of course, nothing to do with the purpose of the patent system. The purpose of patent system is to make inventors to share their inventions with the general public. In return, the general public grants the inventor an exclusive right to the method for a limited time. However, nowadays the idea of benefit to the general public has been completely lost.

  5. Re:e-Commerce patents? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's rather simple , you just patent in all the countries that have internet access.

    In this case , D.E. technologies has patented this method in 32 countries so far.

    How the hell this could get past 32 patent offices without getting the great big "Get Fucked" stamp on it is beyond me.

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  6. Patent Approval == Death to Small Businesses..... by The+Head+Sage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This move doesn't surprise me, but if this goes through, it will certainly mean small businesses like mine will die because many cannot afford the cost. Come on Australia! Rally and fight this patent!

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  7. Not too suprising by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That patent is incredibly stupid. It should never have been granted anywhere.

    By the way, I've been wondering about something. In general a patent covers a specific method of doing something. Like, a mouse trap is only covering that specific system, not the concept of catching mice.

    With that MSN IM translation patent, shouldn't it only cover that method translating IMs? So if you were to figure out another way to do it, you'd be in the clear? Or with the one-click patent, does that patent cover "A method of buying stuff on the internet (with one click)" or is it "A method of buying stuff with one click (and here's some software to do it)"? If you implemented one-click shopping via some other method, wouldn't you be in the clear?

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  8. Re:Questionable step. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to state the obvious, but as an Australian living in Australia, I don't give a crap about how US companies might lose money over a pathetic patent that is almost certainly a huge ambit claim.

    I've seen US protectionism in IT year after year, and the entire world is locked into US-led companies such as Microsoft. Just last week, an Australian state wrote to reassure a software 'choice' thinktank (headed, of course, by Microsoft) that we wouldn't look at open source, but would lap up their software, pay through the nose for it and wag our tails like good doggies.

    You'll have to forgive some of us who may not believe that the interests of the US are somehow magically the interests of the rest of the planet. Certainly the US feels no compunction to act honorably on any other agreements we may sign with them.

    Think being a US ally gives us any advantages? Well, we're entering another round of 'free trade' negotiations (really, trying to get the US government to be a little less blatantly protectionist in regards to their agricultural and livestock industries) so we'll have to wait and see. I have a hard time seeing any favour we gain, over and above nations such as China (with their appalling human rights record, but their massive potential market).

    We certainly don't get cheap oil, or if we do, the consumers never see any benefits (maybe the foreign owned oil companies get those benefits, flowing the profits back to England and the US). Our prices at the pump are higher than the US (allowing for exchange rates), so I'd have to say that you're wrong on that too.

    Lastly, if the Australian government is looking out for Australian interests, that's actually a good thing. I know that the US gov't does the same thing for US interests, at the expense of any other nation.

    If it comes down to screwing a US company over, then I say it's about time. I'm sick of seeing our business fail because of US gov't money propping up business that can't really compete on the level playing field that the US promotes but never actually attempts; I'm sick of seeing our gov't do every single blasted thing the US asks without question; I'm sick of seeing US interests driving our IT departments across this nation.

    Apart from that tirade though, this is a horrible thing to patent, and makes a mockery of the entire patent system. Last year, someone managed to patent the wheel as a joke. This is a bit more complex, but is almost as foolish.

  9. Re:There goes my business by okeby235 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What someone needs to do is sue the patent office for damages. It was their negligence in awarding a patent (that had no technical merit) in the first place that costs you money.