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Next Wave Of Hard Drive Tech: Perpendicular Recording

angrytuna writes "New serial technologies are set to replace standard SCSI and ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment) interfaces over the next two years, even as hard-disk drive manufacturers prepare for an entirely new form of bit storage. Perpendicular recording will replace longitudinal recording in storage devices, placing bits on end instead of lying them parallel on the disc surface, thus dramatically increasing the possible storage density."

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  1. Increased Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am less concerned about the amount of stuff I can put on a hard-drive, and more concerned that the next time I boot up my computer, that stuff will still be there, as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive, how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

  2. And? by CompiledMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the days of 250GB hard drives, who cares? All I'm concerned about is the speed of drives. Lets improve that for once...

    1. Re:And? by Tehrasha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It wasnt all that long ago, I said the exact same thing about my first >500MB drive. If you think about the increase of drive capacity vs speed, and the vast amount of data racing by under those magnetic heads...I think its amazing that they have remained as fast as they have. In the old days it would have been like being at the Indianapolis 500, watching 18-wheel semi-trucks driving around the track at 100mph and picking out the one with 'PIGGLY WIGGLY' written on the side as it passes. Now they are doing the same race around the track at the same speed, but now with mosquitos instead of trucks, and they have to find the one with West Nile as it flys by.

  3. Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by MoreDruid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    HDD manufacturers said they expect to start replacing 3.5in. disk drives with smaller 2.5in. devices in enterprise products sometime within the next year.

    Why would they want to do this? Has it something to do with vibrations (or even shattering a disk) due to the extreme rpm's that these drives are running?
    I don't know much about this stuff, so could someone please enlighten me?
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    1. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      well as it is now the platters in 3.5 inch drives are no longer 3.5 inches, they have been getting smaller as they bump up speed of drives. It's physics, you just can't get speed with a big disk. Since the density of the platters for storage has increase shrinking the diameter has been ok. 3.5 inch drive is more of a form factor at this point, not a actualy dimension for the platters. I think the platters for the WD raptor a 10,000 rpm SATA drive are about 2.5 inches across.

      I like the move to smaller drives, This will be nice as people try to make computers smaller. I would also like to see a mini cd DVD format with mini cd drive only drives, shrink things up some more.

      I'm curious when they will make platters about 1 inch across and stack them on a shaft a few inches long and lay them flat in a drive case, instead of a few vertical slow platters, a whole bunch of horizontal fast small platters.

      The drive is the hold up in speed. It's the mechanical aspects that get hit by physics the most. When they get drives that go faster they can come up with a bus for it without much trouble. But currently why design a interface for HDs that can do say 1 terabyte/s if the drive can't even do 1/1000th of that. The electronics are simple, the drives arn't.

      What ever happen to solid state drives?

  4. Other Three dimensional storage by DakotaSandstone · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Storing bits in three dimensions? Kindof reminds me of Holographic Memory. Also, dual-layer DVD's to a lesser extent.

    Of course, both of these are non-magnetic. And holographic memory is still research-only, as far as I know.

    I wonder, will magnetic storage (in any number of dimensions) ever get eclipsed by non-magnetic ones like these?

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    1. Re:Other Three dimensional storage by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder, will magnetic storage (in any number of dimensions) ever get eclipsed by non-magnetic ones like these?

      Maybe.

      The disadvantage optical schemes have is that the size of a bit's worth of storage medium is the size of a wavelength of light. While magnetic media have limits too, the ultimate density limit for EM devices is the size of a small cluster of atoms (or even one atom) - much, much denser.

      While holographic schemes store bits in a distributed manner instead of in individual buckets, the limit ends up being the same (proof is beyond the scope of this reply; think "Fourier transforms").

      My own bet is that storage of the future will be through some kind of electrical scheme that lends itself to chemical self-assembly (picture a 3D tangle of polymer spaghetti where every crossing of strands can store one bit of information). Magnetic storage has enough of a lead that it will take quite some time for any alternative to catch up, though.

  5. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by HBI · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think RAID is going to come into its own in this environment of the future. Everyone will have an array. The obvious speed benefits of having drives doing tasks in parallel will be hard to ignore with these kind of storage densities.

    Perhaps the next big leap will be creating an 'array in a box' which is sold as a single unit. Imagine how many 2.5" HD mechanisms you can fit in a 5.25" disk drive bay, or even 2 3.5" bays. Then imagine them all operating in parallel.

    That might solve the problem, or at least make things feasible for a while yet.

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  6. Re:In other news... by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...engineers are working with software developers on a way to dramatically reduce power consumption by maximizing the number of 0-bits in memory.

    The grain of truth to this joke: There is a well-known technique that reduces the number of 1s in words transmitted on a bus by inverting words that are more than half 1 (and setting an extra bit indicating that the word has been inverted). The idea is to reduce the number of transitions on the bus lines, as a change in state is what dissipates power.

  7. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
    At current and near-future access speeds, searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year.

    That's assuming current speeds. Well, as data gets more dense, the access speed inherently gets much faster, assuming the RPMs stay constant. If physical size stays the same, random access can't really get too much slower. So what is it that is going to be bad about terabyte disks?

    we only have a factor of 100 left in density--then the Seagate guys are out of ideas.

    So what? All that means is that it's about time for solid-state storage to come into it's own...
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  8. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    those allready exist, and pretty common to. Many companies sell 2 drive raid setups with firewire connections. Also I have seen people put 4 2.5 inch HD's in a raid setup, and inside a Shuttle XPC of all places.

    I agree on the raid stuff though. I think soon i'm going to start making all my computers with at least a raid 1 setup and even better a 0+1 setup. HD's are getting cheap. RAID interfaces are getting very common, and SATA seams to be bring RAID with it. 4 WD raptors in a box could make for fun. And noise :(

  9. Re:Details? by HiggsBison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, to answer your question then:
    Instead of the magnetic field changes being lateral, they are vertical. Don't worry, the substrate is deep enough. It's really just another way to write smaller. Instead of long skinny areas being charged front to back, or back to front, the areas are oriented up and down.

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  10. how bits on end would work........ by Sean+Johnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have seen a few posts from folks not quite understanding how the "bits-on-end" approach works. Some were speculating that it might be holographic, multiple layers, or 3D and such. It is not at all that complicated as they are making it out to be. I heard it best described from Alan Shugart who started the company called Seagate. On an episode from "The Computer Chronicles" back in 1984 he described it as standing the magnetic particles on end to fit more in a given area, which is similar to how a cord of wood could fit into a given smaller area by standing them up on end instead of laying flat. So it really is simpler than you might imagine. Of course the implementation is anything but simple. This is especially evident by the fact that this idea was known as a way to increase storage density back in 1984, when even 200 million bits per square inch was not in a consumer product yet. It was merely in labs with thin film head technology poised to become the next big thing in a short time from that year.
    By the way, you can see old episodes of "The Computer Chronicles" at the Prelinger Archives collection.
    http://www.archive.org/movies/preling er.php.
    I believe Slashdot had a story about that a while ago. Good stuff! Great info can be had through those old episodes about computer history.

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  11. Re:Because by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They also talked about drive sizes changes (3.5in -> 2.5in)

    Bah, why always smaller???

    Current HDDs store 50Gb/in^2, and area increases with the square of the radius. That single inch decrease results in literally half the platter area (not counting the spindle). OTOH, with even current areal densities we could have 1TB 5.25" HDDs. THAT would make me a happy consumer.

    But no, that would make too much sense. Instead, they'll shrink the drive, requiring radical new (and untested in the wilds) technologies just to keep up with the same overall size.

    Hey, I can appreciate smaller in most aspects of technology. But as long as we store data on spinning platters, where surface area matters, bigger, up to the width of a typical case (ie, 5.25in), makes a WHOLE lot more sense. Hell, use 10" platters and design the case around the HDD lying parallel to the MB for all I care, as long as I have obscene amounts of drive space.


    Then again, I probably count as one of the few people who considered the Quantum Bigfoot series a great idea - Large, cheap, somewhat slower drives. For most uses, as long as a drive has a "reasonable" seek time and transfer rate (ie, within an order of magnitude of other modern drives), size matters more than speed. Most of us don't do realtime DV processing, we store tons of what amounts to largely offline content (ie, a huge CD changer would do just as well, other than for the drive we keep our OS on).

  12. Re:Come again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You can develop the negative yourself very quickly and cheaply. The slow and difficult part of photo developing is transferring the image from the negative onto paper. But if you are scanning the negative directly onto the computer this isn't necessary - The negatives are a far higher resolution than printed photos in any case.

  13. Re:a shame then by Lebannen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's... odd.

    When you say uncompressed DV resolution... why use a format that isn't even DV if, by all likelihood, you're using something that came off DV? Is it to preserve the 32bpp? Or is this something you rendered yourself?

    Excuse the qusetions, just a curious video n00b... I though working with DVs ~215MB/min was bad enough... less than five minutes of footage per gig! Aaargh! High Density resolution is going to murder hard disks! ;)

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