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Next Wave Of Hard Drive Tech: Perpendicular Recording

angrytuna writes "New serial technologies are set to replace standard SCSI and ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment) interfaces over the next two years, even as hard-disk drive manufacturers prepare for an entirely new form of bit storage. Perpendicular recording will replace longitudinal recording in storage devices, placing bits on end instead of lying them parallel on the disc surface, thus dramatically increasing the possible storage density."

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  1. a shame then by toddhunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    that there is such a crackdown on file-sharing. If they take that away from us, then whats the point of having that much space?
    I wonder which side of the debate the hard-disk manufacturers are on?

    1. Re:a shame then by madsenj37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not having to compress video and audio, thus not degrading the quality, is one use we would not mind having. It is good for both pros and average users alike.

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    2. Re:a shame then by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Informative

      a crackdown on file-sharing. If they take that away from us, then whats the point of having that much space?

      Legitimate content.

      It's easy enough to end up with tens of thousands of photographs on your machine if you're in the habit of carrying a digital camera around. Now, think about what happens when you snap video clips the way you currently snap photographs.

      This is already happening. With cameras being integrated into phones, it's growing even more.

    3. Re:a shame then by James_G · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just stopped on the way home and did some photo shooting. I took 57 photos in about an hour. At 7.2MB per shot, that amounts to ~414MB of files from just an hour of shooting.

      Post-editting results in TIFF files that are approximately 10MB in size. All told, this one shoot now occupies over 800MB on my fileserver - from just one hour of shooting.

      Oddly enough, people do in fact use vast amounts of storage space for reasons other than sharing mp3s and movies. As technologies improve (cameras increase resolution, video cameras likewise, millions of other reasons), the demand for space will increase as it always has done.

  2. Ahh, now I understand... by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Funny

    If my drive bit is standing up, it must be hard. Ergo, hard drive.

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    1. Re:Ahh, now I understand... by divide+overflow · · Score: 3, Funny

      >Oh! Haha! A PENIS joke! That was funny!
      >Seriously, though: where did all you sickos come from?


      Apparently you've already forgotten that you are reading Slashdot.

  3. Increased Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am less concerned about the amount of stuff I can put on a hard-drive, and more concerned that the next time I boot up my computer, that stuff will still be there, as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive, how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

    1. Re:Increased Reliability? by l810c · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Not to mention backing up that data. Why does backup technology lag so far behind drive technology? 100+ CDR's to backup the typical Hard Drive in today's systems. 25 DVD's, but still WAY too much. A tape sytems to backup the typical hard dirve in a reasonable amount of time costs in the thousands.

      I'd like to see Redundancy And Speed hit the consumer market more than the current volume. RAID 0+1 should be standard in at least mid level systems.

    2. Re:Increased Reliability? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why does backup technology lag so far behind drive technology?

      You know, drive technology IS backup technology. Just backup data to hard drives instead of tape or CDs. Also, I believe a big reason is the density of data. No longer can you have something like floppies, where punching a tiny hole in the media won't cause a problem. Now, a speck of dust making a tiny microscopic scratch would ruin megabytes of data on a HDD platter, so they can't make unsealed media like DVDs or tapes that dense, now can they?

      I personally never understood why sealed media never got popular. CDs with caddies would be far better, but people stuck with bare-assed, easily damaged CDs instead. Same problem with DVDs. Minidiscs aren't very popular unfortuanately.

      It's possibly that tightly sealed media could be much higher capacity than currently seen, but who's going to be the one who suggests to their boss that they should try doing something that has failed every other time it has been tried?

      Zip-style disks could potentially provide very high capacities, but they can't expand as quickly as hard drives... To do that, you'd need someing with it's own controller, like CompactFlash or hard drives.

      RAID 0+1 should be standard in at least mid level systems.

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "RAID is not a backup technology." When your main disk gets hosed by a virus, a clumsy user, or a system crash, that corruption is coppied to the other disc at light speeds... So what's the point? Offline backups are what is needed. RAID provides a solution for hardware problems, which is important with critical systems, but if the hard drive in my home PC crashes after a year, as long as I can restore a recent backup, and only be down for a few hours, it's not really a problem.
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    3. Re:Increased Reliability? by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot 32-bit, 33 Mhz PCI bus @ ~150M/sec.

      Faster hard drives would need a faster bus to operate off. I went looking for a non-server board the other day with PCI-X (for gigE), and couldn't find one in a store.

      Drives aren't the only bottlenecks.

    4. Re:Increased Reliability? by Mooncaller · · Score: 4, Informative
      as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive

      Talk about ignorant moderation. Sheesh.

      Hard Drives technology is very mature. Every innovation has involved incremental improvments to the same basic tech. So the notion of Hard Drives getting more high tech is false. Second, the reliability of Hard Drives has been steadily increasing in a nearly linear fasion since their introduction in the 60s. There has always been instances of a particular Drive model or model family having difficulties. These are special cases from a statistical point of view. Saying that these models represent the quality of all Hard Drives is like saying that terrorists represents all Irishmen. On top of this, many HD reliability issues are realy HD handeling issues, i.e. originating with the PC manufacturers, not the HD producers. So the second part of the statement is also false, in fact way false.

      how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

      If you bothered to read the full artical, you would know that one of the hold ups of this new approch is quality concerns. The HD manufacturers will not deploy it untill it is suitable for their high end ( i.e. most reliable) Hard Drive lines.

    5. Re:Increased Reliability? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The whole point of tapes/cds/dvds/etc is to decouple the data storage from the reader.

      No, it is just a techical decision to do things that way... Hard drives are too bulky and expensive for small ammounts of storage, and tape drives are too expensive to have one tape per drive, not to mention the bulk.

      Thus the data is often stored in a solid state medium making it less succeptable to failure while the reader often contains lots of moving parts making it more prone to fail.

      In the real world, that isn't really the case. Your tapes are more likely to be damaged than a hard drive, mainly because the hard drive is extensively sheilded. Moving parts are only a problem after a long long run-time. If a hard drive's mechanical parts were working when you stored it, it will almost certainly work when you need to recover from it... Not to mention that hard drives CAN have everything but the platters swapped if you can find an identical device, or can be recovered manually by any simple data recovery center.

      A RAID array could be considered a backup tech if the array was treated as a backup device

      If you're talking about a live backup, you shouldn't be. One power surge could take out an entire RAID array. If you are talking about off-line, I have no idea why you bring up RAID.

      Backup tapes are known to fail as well... That's why you make two of each, and send one off-site. Even if you aren't that stringent, your backup scheme should certainly have a LOT of redundancy in it, no matter what your media. I would certainly bet that hard drive failures are far more rare than tape failures.
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  4. And? by CompiledMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the days of 250GB hard drives, who cares? All I'm concerned about is the speed of drives. Lets improve that for once...

    1. Re:And? by SpryGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, higher density means the same storage in a smaller form-factor, which means the read/write heads have to travel a smaller distance (both radially and logitudinally), which should yield a measurable boost in potential performance... no?

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  5. Details? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone have a link to a description of this that's more detailed than "stacking bits on end"?

    Are they using platters with trenches and storing information on the sidewalls?

    Are they using some means of reading and writing at many depths within the platter without disturbing other layers?

    The article says the technology has been under investigation for 20 years, so presumably there's a forest of technical literature on it.

    1. Re:Details? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Essentially, as I understand it, with longitudinal recording the poles of the bits are pointed flat on the surface. Imagine a bar magnet. Put the long flat end of the bar on the platter. That's longitudinal recording.

      With perpendicular recording the bar magnet would be standing on it's end.

      Longitudianl recording is like this:

      N--S
      ------------------- platter
      Perpendicular recording is like this:
      N
      |
      S
      ------------------- platter
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    2. Re:Details? by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Details? by HiggsBison · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, to answer your question then:
      Instead of the magnetic field changes being lateral, they are vertical. Don't worry, the substrate is deep enough. It's really just another way to write smaller. Instead of long skinny areas being charged front to back, or back to front, the areas are oriented up and down.

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  6. Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by MoreDruid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    HDD manufacturers said they expect to start replacing 3.5in. disk drives with smaller 2.5in. devices in enterprise products sometime within the next year.

    Why would they want to do this? Has it something to do with vibrations (or even shattering a disk) due to the extreme rpm's that these drives are running?
    I don't know much about this stuff, so could someone please enlighten me?
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    1. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      well as it is now the platters in 3.5 inch drives are no longer 3.5 inches, they have been getting smaller as they bump up speed of drives. It's physics, you just can't get speed with a big disk. Since the density of the platters for storage has increase shrinking the diameter has been ok. 3.5 inch drive is more of a form factor at this point, not a actualy dimension for the platters. I think the platters for the WD raptor a 10,000 rpm SATA drive are about 2.5 inches across.

      I like the move to smaller drives, This will be nice as people try to make computers smaller. I would also like to see a mini cd DVD format with mini cd drive only drives, shrink things up some more.

      I'm curious when they will make platters about 1 inch across and stack them on a shaft a few inches long and lay them flat in a drive case, instead of a few vertical slow platters, a whole bunch of horizontal fast small platters.

      The drive is the hold up in speed. It's the mechanical aspects that get hit by physics the most. When they get drives that go faster they can come up with a bus for it without much trouble. But currently why design a interface for HDs that can do say 1 terabyte/s if the drive can't even do 1/1000th of that. The electronics are simple, the drives arn't.

      What ever happen to solid state drives?

    2. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by zenyu · · Score: 4, Informative

      HDD manufacturers said they expect to start replacing 3.5in. disk drives with smaller 2.5in. devices in enterprise products sometime within the next year.
      Why would they want to do this?

      Average Access Time. Ever notice how it hasn't changed much in the last 20 years?
      It was like 10-20ms in 1984 and is like 3-9ms now? No matter how fast you spin the disk or how much cache you add you still need to move the head from one side of the platter to the other. With 5" drives it was a little over 2" with 3.5" its a little over 1", with 2.5" drives 0.75" It's also true that if you make it smaller you can spin it faster, but I don't think 15,000 rpm is really hitting the limits of the materials or they would already have made the platers non-uniform in thickness. They could also go to single crystal metals like they do in aeroplane turbine blades (not so expensive to do in quantity.)

      OTOH The disparity between bandwidth and access time is already embarrasing enough that I consider partitioning just half the space on my drives to improve access time. There are uses for big slow drives. For instance, things like audio and video if artists ever get their act together and jettison the media conglomerate dead weight they are carrying on their backs. Or for backups.

      At this point GBs of hard drive space is like the Mhz thing was with processors. Most consumers just read the density and maybe the dBs and transfer rate, like they used to buy 900Mhz processors and get just 16 MBs of RAM when a 50Mhz Processor with 128MBs of RAM would have been literally thousands of times faster because they were thrashing with too little RAM. Buyers should look at access time, then transfer rate, and then capacity, unless it is for backups or some such tape replacement use. They should partition their drives because real-life filesystems still suck at placing frequently accessed data closely and contiguously for actual access patterns. If people realized this, hard drive manufacturers would do things like have multiple independent heads accessing the same platters, two would be easy, three could probably be done with current technology, and many more could be done with different mechanical linkages (for instance, screews might be slower and less elegant than an arm at moving the heads, but if you could fit fifty heads accessing the platters at once you would probably have better worst and average case access time.) This also would require updating some drivers, but I don't think it would take long considering the performance payoff.

  7. Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by Allen+Varney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This conversation with Jim Gray, head of Microsoft's Bay Area Research Center, has grim, eye-opening comments on the growing gap between storage densities and access speeds/bandwidth. Currently the most effective way to send a multi-terabyte disk array is by UPS -- turns out a UPS truck has a "bandwidth" equivalent to about 7 megabytes/second. And the problem of practical access speeds is only going to get worse. At current and near-future access speeds, searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year.

    "At the FAST [File and Storage Technologies] conference about a year-and-a-half ago, Mark Kryder of Seagate Research was very apologetic. He said the end is near; we only have a factor of 100 left in density--then the Seagate guys are out of ideas. So this 200-gig disk that you're holding will soon be 20 terabytes, and then the disk guys are out of ideas. The database guys are already out of ideas!"

    1. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by N8w8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year
      And the 20-TB-question is.... Will you actually find the disk after a year of searching?
    2. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by Allen+Varney · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's assuming current speeds. Well, as data gets more dense, the access speed inherently gets much faster, assuming the RPMs stay constant. If physical size stays the same, random access can't really get too much slower. So what is it that is going to be bad about terabyte disks?

      The problem, as Jim Gray outlines it in the ACMQueue article:

      "But starting about 1989, disk densities began to double each year. Rather than going slower than Moore's Law, they grew faster. Moore's Law is something like 60 percent a year, and disk densities improved 100 percent per year.

      "Today disk-capacity growth continues at this blistering rate, maybe a little slower. But disk access, which is to say, 'Move the disk arm to the right cylinder and rotate the disk to the right block,' has improved about tenfold. The rotation speed has gone up from 3,000 to 15,000 RPM, and the access times have gone from 50 milliseconds down to 5 milliseconds. That's a factor of 10. Bandwidth has improved about 40-fold, from 1 megabyte per second to 40 megabytes per second. Access times are improving about 7 to 10 percent per year. Meanwhile, densities have been improving at 100 percent per year."

      There's a lot more about this in the article. Check it out; it's +5 Informative stuff.

  8. Density is nice, but I need speed! by smokeslikeapoet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Storage density is one thing, but storage speed is another. With 200 GB hard drives readily available, and relatively cheap, the main thing I'm itching for is increased access and transfer speeds. Not just the controller speed as most hard drives still only maintain a constant transfer speed of 33Mbps. Theoretically, a denser drive at the same rotational speed will transfer data faster than a less dense drive, but will we see a dramatic improvement in sustained transfer speeds? While this transfer speed is acceptable while watching a DivX movie, it's really a pain while ripping a DivX movie. (A movie that I shot in my backyard, and authored, and own the rights to, and am ripping for the pure exitement as I would never violate a copyright.)

  9. Re:interface changes by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 3

    Could someone explain (/point me to a website) as to what this paragraph means?

    "We always have concerns about new connectors and backplane designs but those problems are minimized in a serial environment where the wiring is point-to-point,"


    "Connecting devices fast is a lot easier when there's only two of them."

  10. I'm not sure this will work by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they stand the 1's up, sure you can fit more because they're skinny. But 0's? They're wide...I don't see a significant amount of savings there...

  11. Standing bits on end... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, does this mean that instead of looking like this:
    0
    1

    All of my bits will instead look like this?:
    _
    -

    I suppose you can squeeze a lot more of them together that way, but is that really much of an innovation?

    Now, if they had figured out a way to fold the suckers, I'd be impressed.

  12. das shrunken by poptones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More relevant than this technology that is still many years away, I find much more interesting the part about the desktop industry moving to 2.5" drives. So in the next year or so we'll be able to buy very high density, fast drives that can fit in a pocket and already have serial interfaces! All we need are sata jacks on the front panel and the world moves one giant leap closer to true "plug-n-play" goodness. Mail order sneakernets just got even cheaper!

  13. how bits on end would work........ by Sean+Johnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have seen a few posts from folks not quite understanding how the "bits-on-end" approach works. Some were speculating that it might be holographic, multiple layers, or 3D and such. It is not at all that complicated as they are making it out to be. I heard it best described from Alan Shugart who started the company called Seagate. On an episode from "The Computer Chronicles" back in 1984 he described it as standing the magnetic particles on end to fit more in a given area, which is similar to how a cord of wood could fit into a given smaller area by standing them up on end instead of laying flat. So it really is simpler than you might imagine. Of course the implementation is anything but simple. This is especially evident by the fact that this idea was known as a way to increase storage density back in 1984, when even 200 million bits per square inch was not in a consumer product yet. It was merely in labs with thin film head technology poised to become the next big thing in a short time from that year.
    By the way, you can see old episodes of "The Computer Chronicles" at the Prelinger Archives collection.
    http://www.archive.org/movies/preling er.php.
    I believe Slashdot had a story about that a while ago. Good stuff! Great info can be had through those old episodes about computer history.

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  14. Back in the day by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the first Sun machines I used was a 3/160 with an external gigabyte disk array. The array was a washing machine size enclosure with a pair of 800 MB SMD disks with 8" platters. In 1994 this was a huge disk, in more ways than one!

    Interestingly, my little 486 with its 340 MB drive were far faster than the old Sun, and even competitive with the newer SparcStations. 7200 RPM baraccudas in modified enclosures (extra fans and breathing holes made the difference between life and death) were even faster when they arrived.

    After working exclucively with laptops for the past two years, I can see a clear parallel between the old 2.5" -> 2.5" transition and the 8" -> 5.25" -> 3.5" transitions in the past. Sure I keep a pair of 120 GB 3.5" disks in firewire enclosures around, but the 60 GB disk in my powerbook and the 30 GB disk in my Dell i8000 are more than adequate for daily use. My ipod even has 30GB, which is enough for my favorite music, the Warthog Jump video and a few other fun things.

    With emphasis on blade and 1-U servers, as well as cardcage oriented telecom gear, I can see a lot of value for 2.5" disks in the telecom and server markets.

  15. Re:How exactly... by randyest · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interesting? This clueless and sadly-late attepmpt at a FP is misleading everyone that reads it!. And you mods are to blame -- that's right: YOU!

    Grrr, RTFA: there is nothing "3D" about it. It's still a 2-dimensional array of bits on a platter. The density increase comes from standing the little areas of magnetic media on end, instead of laying down. So, a top view of the old scheme would look like:

    ||||||||
    ||||||||

    The new scheme, from the top:

    ::::::::
    ::::::::


    In this case 2x density, as the lower one has twice as many dots in the same area as the dashes of the upper. (That is, each dot or dash represents the area of the physical medium used to store one bit by changing its magentic orientation). Get it? No 3-d. No holograms. Just 2-4x density increase by changing the orientation of the bits from parallel to perpendicular (relative to the disk platter surface).

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  16. Re:Comparing apples and hydrogen by AllenChristopher · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It talks about new interfaces because we've been hearing so much about interfaces that it's a familiar topic to which readers will relate, and which can form a bridge into the story. It's a variety of lead paragraph.

    An article which simply jumps into a description of an esoteric subject can seem awkward and be difficult to understand, so journalists have long been taught strategies for lessening that initial impact. Many of these conventions don't play as well in the internet environment because a linking page has already told the reader what the article will really be about. This makes the lead seem like irrelevant wandering.

  17. Hexagonal bits by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Funny
    I dunno why, but somehow this topic reminds me of a coversation like the following...

    See, there's a limit to how many bits you can store on a disk. I see. Because the area of the disk is limited I see. But you don't want a limit, you want more space. I want more space. But you can't have more space, because all of the bits are square they're square. and there's only so many square inches of surface. Only so much. Yes. Look at this disk. Radius 3.25" 3.25 It's a circle. It's round. Pie-R-square Pie-R-square So the area's limited. I see.

    And the bits, they're almost square, because that's the way the manufacturers' engineers like them. They like squares? Yes. I see. Well, really they're not square, they're almost square. And how's that? Well, they're square sections of a round arc. Not square? But almost square. Almost square. I see.

    So what do we do? I don't know. Well, we get a better packing fraction. Better packing fraction? Yes. That's the key. A better packing fraction. I see. And your data is round. Data is round Because the magnetic field is round. I see. And a square doesn't approximate a circle very well, does it? No. What does it better? A circle? Well, yes, but you can't do it with a circle, because circles bump each other. They bump each other? Yes, and they leave empty space between them. And we want a better packing fraction? Yes. So what do we take a cue from? I don't know. I know you don't know, but I'll tell you. We take a cue from the bee. The bee? The honeybee. He uses hexagons. Aaah. Hexagons. Yes, hexagons. They're all the future. The future? The future. The future. Yes, the future. Hexagons. Yes. That's where the money is. You're a nut.

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  18. What this MEANS by TwistedSpring · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you have no idea what the difference between Longitudinal Recording and Perpendicular Recording might be, and the phrase "stands the bits on end" meant absolutely nothing to you because its an utterly ridiculous way to explain it, here's the lodown. Longitudinal recording is what we use today in everything from cassette tape to hard disks. It works by magnetising tiny sections of the recording medium. You can imagine the magnetised sections as tiny bar magnets laid end-to-end. The read head detects transitions in the direction of the magnetic field.

    <- -> <-- -> <- -->

    In the above diagram we're looking down at one track on the surface of a platter. Perpendicular recording works differently. The "magnets" or bits are arranged so that the field they emit is perpendicular to the medium, like this:

    x . x . x . x .
    In the above diagram we're looking down at one track on the surface of a platter 'x' represents a field pointing away from us, '.' is one pointing towards us. This is what it looks like in cross-section (looking in from the edge of the platter):
    ^ | ^ | ^ | ^ | ^
    | v | v | v | v |


    In perpendicular recording the read head detects the actual direction of the fields emitted by these bits/magnets, rather than transitions in the field. Perpendicular recording is advantageous because it allows one to use a much smaller surface area on the medium for one bit. Imagine if you laid a line of bricks end-to-end on the ground, you could make the line shorter but taller if you stood each brick on end (so they're laid flat-to-flat), but you've not had to make the bricks any smaller in order to acheive this change in the length of your line.

    Most of the above is hopefully right. Anyway it's a better explanation than that site gave.

  19. Re:How exactly... by Mr+Z · · Score: 3, Informative

    Both schemes store the bit to some depth physically. You can't have an infinitely thin bit. Both schemes also still use a 2-D grid of bits. (Well, polar grid, since it's a spinning disc.)

    A truly 3-D organization of bits within a single platter face would be something like those multi-layer DVDs, where within the same grid position you can access multiple bits by changing some aspect of the reading mechanism. (In the case of the DVDs, it's achieved by focusing the lense differently so only the desired layer is in-focus.)

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  20. No fair by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't make fun of my floppy. I know it's small, but I use it alot. :(

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    1. Re:No fair by kauttapiste · · Score: 4, Funny
      Don't make fun of my floppy. I know it's small, but I use it alot. :(


      Ah, so you didn't get the email telling you how easily you can increase the size of your floppy from 3.5" to 5.25"!

  21. A picture tells a thousand words by pflodo · · Score: 3, Informative

    ASCII art is great for porn but for technical stuff I prefer real images. This image cleared things up for me.

  22. Re:How exactly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, in my experience, engineers only like to brag about a new technique if it gives a 10x improvement. (Or more.) If you read the article, you would have noticed some numbers:

    The "brick wall" in magnetic recording is called the superparamagnetic effect. This is the point at which the recorded data starts to get lost in the thermal noise of the media. (As you approach the superparamagnetic, it becomes statistically likely for recorded bits to sporadically flip states resulting in data corruption.)

    For longitudinal recording technology, it is estimated that superparamagnetic will start to become a problem around 100Gbits/square inch recording density. (Current hard drive technology is around 50Gbits/square inch - so they are getting close to the wall.)

    Perpendicular recording technology is estimate to scale up to around 1Tbit/square inch.

    Now, what did I say about engineers liking to brag about 10x improvements? Well, 1Tbit is about 10x improvement over 100Gbit. How about that! :)

    What this means to you: if current hard drives store about 120GB using a recording density of about 50Gbit/square inch, then we can expect perpendicular recording to eventually deliver drives that store about 2.4TB extrapolating up to a 1Tbit/square inch. Even if this technology only works half as good, at least we will eventually have hard drives that store 1TB!

    On top of that, the article say they are moving away from 3.5" drives toward 2.5" even for "enterprise" applications. Now, if we get 1TB drives in 2.5" form factor that's going to result in some killer MP3^^err...uncompressed 24bit, 192kHz iPods :)

  23. A temporary solution, a fundamental problem by ControlFreal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although the solution proposed in the article would increase storage capacity by, say, a factor 2 or 4, it still is a temporary solution that does not solve the fundamental problem at hand.

    The fundamental problem is the superparamagnetic limit: if you make a magnetic domain (a bit) smaller than a certain size, it becomes thermodynamically unstable. In English, this means that very small bits loose their value after a while. It also means that for the time being, we'll have to use tricks to pack the bits closer together while keeping them large enough to be stable.

    It should be noted that perpendicular recording is not the only effort to achieve higher recording densities in the looming shadow of the superparamagnetic limit. Indeed, harddrive manufacturers have seen this problem coming for a number of years now, and have had meeting to discuss possible solutions.

    On a brighter note, there seems to be progress in circumventing the superparamagnetic limit: very recent research show promising results for the future.

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  24. Not necessarily by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 3, Informative
    A 15k rpm drive can read 500KB in the time it takes to seek to a new piece of data. Now what do you think happens more frequently while you use a computer, seeking to new locations on the disc, or reading contiguous blocks of 500KB or more? Now, unless you are streaming massive amounts of sequential data (eg. HD Video), your bottleneck will be access time, not throughput.

    The rotational speed of the drive is directly related to the access time. If the data you want is on the other side of the platter, you must wait for it to rotate 180 degrees before you can start reading, regardless of whether the disc is 1/2" in diameter or 2" diameter, whether there are 1GB per square inch or 10GB per square inch.

    When the head gets lined up with the track and ready to read, the data it's waiting for can be anywhere between 0 degrees and 360 degrees away. If you average out all those possibilities, you can expect the data to be about 180 degrees away.

    Now, a 15000 rpm drive rotates 180 degrees 30000 times per minute. Conversely, it takes 2ms to rotate 180 degrees. If you consider that a typical 15k rpm drive has an average seek time of 3.3ms and we know that 2ms are spent waiting for the disk to spin, than 1.3ms must be spent moving the head. This proves to me that rotational speed is more important to access time than data density.

    I'm no hard drive engineer, but I would bet that an increase in density would mean a decrease for rotational speed since a read head probably has a limited bandwidth. (This is probably why the faster-spinning drives typically hold less data.) If you halve the time moving the head while doubling the time waiting for spinning data, you will see an overall increase in seek time.

    My conclusion is that greater density and less rpms would hurt access time which is the most important performance factor. However, like the "MHz myth", I'm sure marketing will focus on bandwidth benchmarks for performance instead of real-life application performance.